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We're thinking of purchasing the TM700 and will use it primarily to record live shows of our band and make video clips. Considering all the noise issues with the fan we would like to purchase an external mic as sound is a key issue for us. Any suggestions as to what would be a good mic under $200? Also any suggestions for a longer life battery?
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We're thinking of purchasing the TM700 and will use it primarily to record live shows of our band and make video clips. Considering all the noise issues with the fan we would like to purchase an external mic as sound is a key issue for us. Any suggestions as to what would be a good mic under $200? Also any suggestions for a longer life battery?

I must be missing something here, you want to record live shows of your band and you think the fan will be a problem ? I have never seen a live show of a band that would be so quiet that you could hear the fan in the TM700 during the performance. I think this fan issue has gone off the deep end for sure. BTW I use a Rode Stereo VideoMic .
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More Mac stuff.
Regarding importing and editing with iMovie 09.
I found out that. With the HA VBR clips, these will import straight to iMovie and can be edited and a barely passable DVD can be made.
In the case of importing 1080p clips. I said that 1080p clips alone are not recognized by iMovie, and I was partly wrong. When there are both 1080i and 1080p clips recorded, iMovie does see the camcorder, and the Archive function does work. It copies the entire contents of the the memory to a folder of your specification. However, when you try to import to iMovie for editing and use the function "import Camera archive" it doesn't see the folder, when I direct to the folder, it says that it is not a camera archive. However, you can copy the mts files out of the stream subfolder and convert those and work on them. I have used Handbrake on those mts files and converted to mp4 and then imported to iMovie for editing. The resulting DVD from this process is full of artifact, and I've been told it's interlace artifact. So I ran an additional process and put the mp4s through JES Deinterlacer and imported the resulting mov files which produced a much better DVD. The color was slightly off however. If you don't intend to make a DVD, you can use the mp4 without deinterlacing and export to quick time.
I'm glad I did not know about the fan issue before buying the camera, it would have caused some unneeded anxiety. I can't hear it in any of my videos.
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I've read reports that 550 has actually worse low light video than 500.

Where? I read all the 500/550 threads here and don't recall seeing that...can you pinpoint the thread or outside source? This would be very surprising as the processing sensor is the same. The lens is more wide-angle and they might have changed the computing algorithms, of course.
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It appears that the TM 700 may have the infamous "laser" blue dot being discussed in the Sony 550 forum. It is present in the You Tube video at the waters edge starting about 6 seconds up to about 20 seconds and you can also see it when the boat goes under the bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-G4J...eature=related
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It appears that the TM 700 may have the infamous "laser" blue dot being discussed in the Sony 550 forum. It is present in the You Tube video at the waters edge starting about 6 seconds up to about 20 seconds and you can also see it when the boat goes under the bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-G4J...eature=related

I have the native file and it's a reflection on the window he is shooting through and it comes and goes as people on the boat block it. The sun is not in the TM700's FOV.


HDR-CX550X blue dot:
http://vimeo.com/10491635

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An interesting point of information:
There was a video clip on TMZ tonight filmed by paparazzi underwater of Terri Hatcher swimming on the surface. Unbelievably there was the dancing blue laser dot (Im not sure it was blue) dancing around exacting like the original blue dot that was discussed on the Sony thread. I don't know if the video is on the TMZ web site.

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For the batteries, both the included one (VW-VBG130) and next one up (VW-VBG260) can work out of the box with the TM700. The ginormous battery (VW-VBG6) requires that you use the battery holder kit (VW-VH04), which will set you back another $80. Plus you will have a strange corded battery to deal with.
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It appears that the TM 700 may have the infamous "laser" blue dot being discussed in the Sony 550 forum. It is present in the You Tube video at the waters edge starting about 6 seconds up to about 20 seconds and you can also see it when the boat goes under the bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-G4J...eature=related

Nah, that's some kind of reflection off of something, but it's not in the lens. Nobody has reported seeing anything like that and I've taken a lot of footage at varying angles to the sun. Sorry, no blue dot.
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Excuse my ignorance. You said the "Sony Z5". I'm not really familiar with this model and not sure how it compares with the 550 model.

The Z5 is Sony's prosumer, $3,500 HDV cam. It too takes great video and can record to either an SD card or regular DV tape in both HD & SD. It's big and heavy with a myriad of controls that would make the typical consumer dizzy.

It's actually used on occasion by some networks where the environment might trash a very expensive broadcast camera. Footage from cameras like this have been used on Discovery and a number of other channels.

It's video is far better than the 550, but actually falls a bit behind the Panasonic 700 in a number of respects! We've come a long way.
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The ginormous battery (VW-VBG6) requires that you use the battery holder kit (VW-VH04), which will set you back another $80. Plus you will have a strange corded battery to deal with.

Yeah, but you don't have to worry nearly as much about running out of battery capacity. I'm actually considering getting this.
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It appears that the TM 700 may have the infamous "laser" blue dot being discussed in the Sony 550 forum. It is present in the You Tube video at the waters edge starting about 6 seconds up to about 20 seconds and you can also see it when the boat goes under the bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-G4J...eature=related

When I watched your video this afternoon, I saw the dot too but then saw some reflections in the window and figured it was just a reflection.

I picked up the 700 today and took some night video and I'll tell you, the dot is just as bad as the sony dot. I posted about this in the Sony thread too. I'm thinking I should have just gone with the Sony for the night vision capabilities alone. I might return this and go with the sony. DAMN!


**EDIT** - uploading to Vimeo now. Says it will take 30 minutes. I'm going to bed but will share the link when I get up.
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hi guys, i think most of you are concerning way too much in minor technical issues like camera noise, blue dot, etc.. Believe me, as far as you make an interesting video, nobody cares about technical imperfections. Instead of investing in external microphone you better buy some books about making movie. That would help much more!
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I have a Sony 550 with the infamous blue dot. Before I try out the Panasonic TM700, what are your thoughts about the long-term reliability of the fan? It's a moving part that will inevitability break down and require service (bearings/brushes, lube, replacement, etc). Is anyone worried about this?
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I have a Sony 550 with the infamous blue dot. Before I try out the Panasonic TM700, what are your thoughts about the long-term reliability of the fan? It's a moving part that will inevitability break down and require service (bearings/brushes, lube, replacement, etc). Is anyone worried about this?

I'm hoping Panasonic was smart enough (and not too cheap) to use a fan with ball bearings. It would be nice if they used a brushless motor, but I find that highly unlikely considering the drive circuitry that would be required and the fact that it might induce electrical noise.
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When I watched your video this afternoon, I saw the dot too but then saw some reflections in the window and figured it was just a reflection.

I picked up the 700 today and took some night video and I'll tell you, the dot is just as bad as the sony dot. I posted about this in the Sony thread too. I'm thinking I should have just gone with the Sony for the night vision capabilities alone. I might return this and go with the sony. DAMN!

I've yet to see a blue dot in any video I've shot, whether in direct sun, sun off to the side, in shade, indoors or dimly lit areas. I haven't seen them in any posted videos either...anywhere. We've got the most stellar picture imaginable and people are just hunting for 'something' to knock. I think the more experience people have with HD video, the more they'll appreciate this cam.
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TM700 doesn't have a bluedot
People need to understand what is a reflection and what is a blue laser dot
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Where? I read all the 500/550 threads here and don't recall seeing that...can you pinpoint the thread or outside source? This would be very surprising as the processing sensor is the same. The lens is more wide-angle and they might have changed the computing algorithms, of course.

I haven't checked 500/550 threads here.
I can pinpoint outside source, but it's in russian (500/520/550 owners thread)
http://translate.google.com/translat...e=windows-1251 If you scrool down you'll see vladimir's post (he is owner of xr500 and compares it to xr550. Translation is pretty cr**y but you can understand that he claimspicture is noiser and washed out in comparison to xr500. I assume there are not many 550 users who previosly had 500 and can compare them with each other...
Sorry for OT.
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Their tests confirm what I've seen & mentioned with my Sony Z5. The AX2000 is essentially the AVCHD equivalent to my Z5.

In their tests, the resolution & sharpness of the TM700 is better than that of the AX2000. They rated the color essentially the same as they did the overall rating of the camcorders.

How amazing is that for a tiny $1,000 camcorder??
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I don't know what it is but here it is for you to determine for yourselves. I even made it dance for you toward the end.

http://vimeo.com/10648388
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I don't know what it is but here it is for you to determine for yourselves. I even made it dance for you toward the end.

http://vimeo.com/10648388


Seriously?

You are shooting at night and right front of big flash and multiple sources of lights (no camera can shoot decent video when it's "focused" at a HUGE flash and at night and you can burn your camera by doing so "focusing at big flash or the Sun") yet i don't see a bluedot laser like spinning around like Sony

This is normal lighting reflection not bluedot laser like. it's reflection from the flash plus it's white like light color almost impossible to see in day light unlike Sony Bluedot which drives me nuts lol

Who would focus at a tennis field flash and at night?
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Well, i see there is some 'thing' moving... And it doesn't look anything like that Sony dot.
How were you able to make it dance, if cam and light don't move?
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Not to offend you, but your video reminds me of those fake UFO videos for some reason...
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Yes, I was serious however, you'll have to understand that I've never shot any type of video before this. No, I'll never (at least I don't think) be shooting a tennis match in the dark. Nor will I be setting up my camera in a room of dead silence just for the purpose of reporting noise coming from the unit.

I posted this just as a test / sample and was looking for opinions.
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Yes, I was serious however, you'll have to understand that I've never shot any type of video before this. No, I'll never (at least I don't think) be shooting a tennis match in the dark. Nor will I be setting up my camera in a room of dead silence just for the purpose of reporting noise coming from the unit.

I posted this just as a test / sample and was looking for opinions.

Noise is subjective, some people are okay with it and some are not but saying TM700 got the same dot as Sony dot is false.

TM700 "light" is not subjective issue unlike the sound , this is how camcorders works, focus at a huge flash and weird things will happen, it's like saying i wont buy a car that can not fly

You can't even compare the sound issue with this, try to focus at flash with a CCD camcorder and see what is going to happen all kind of multiple huge lasers will appear not only dots lol.
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Noise is subjective, some people are okay with it and some are not but saying TM700 got the same dot as Sony dot is false.

TM700 "light" is not subjective issue unlike the sound , this is how camcorders works, focus at a huge flash and weird things will happen, it's like saying i wont buy a car that can not fly

You can't even compare the sound issue with this, try to focus at flash with a CCD camcorder and see what is going to happen all kind of multiple huge lasers will appear not only dots lol.

The fact is... I don't really understand how these camcorders work, or what causes the blue dot, nor did I understand why it was on my 700. I thought it would be interesting to post about it and provide "proof". If you say I'm wrong, well... I'll have to take your word for you. You're obviously in the know whereas I am not. Thanks for your replies and I look forward to learning more about this stuff and hopefully posting some "quality" footage one day!
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Yes, I was serious however, you'll have to understand that I've never shot any type of video before this.

That's what I think your problem is Secondlaw, a lack of a reference point. Your shooting conditions for that clip are so severe, that no camera would not have manifested some kind of lens anomaly.

Rest assured this is the finest small camcorder the consumer market has ever seen. I've had a bunch over the years (more than I care to admit) and it's the best I've ever had...and not by a small margin.

Add to that the stellar reviews that professional reviewers have given it, again stating the 'best ever', and you see that you need to put things in perspective.
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I have shortlisted these two models.I am not interested in editing with a computer but require the best picture and sound on my Samsung 46"LED TV and my Panasonic AE4000 projector.
The Panasonic will record in 1080p at 28mps as opposed to the Sony which records in 1080i at 24mps.Is there a noticeable difference in the picture quality?In the Sony's favour it has a 3.5 screen with about twice the number of pixcells to Panasonic's,a 29mm wide screen lens as opposed to the Panasonic's 35mm and arguably slightly better image stabilizers and less noise in dark recording conditions.
Has anyone compared the difference with the Panasonic by recording 1080i and 1080p?
If the replies are that I would need to study the pictures between 1080i and 1080p side by side to see the minute difference then I will opt for the Sony.

Thank you for your replies.

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That's what I think your problem is Secondlaw, a lack of a reference point. Your shooting conditions for that clip are so severe, that no camera would not have manifested some kind of lens anomaly.

Rest assured this is the finest small camcorder the consumer market has ever seen. I've had a bunch over the years (more than I care to admit) and it's the best I've ever had...and not by a small margin.

Add to that the stellar reviews that professional reviewers have given it, again stating the 'best ever', and you see that you need to put things in perspective.

Thank you for this advice. I do honestly appreciate the positive feedback and I'm happy to know that this issue is not really an issue at all but just the effect caused by the extreme conditions I was shooting in.

Now I need something interesting to shoot!
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