Panasonic HDC-HS700 & HDC-TM700 1080p60 cams - Page 4 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #91 of 3783 Old 03-12-2010, 11:50 AM
Member
 
canonhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 52
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

All of the new AVCHD camcorders uses profile 4.1 and to do 1080 60p you need at least 4.2. It's a more advanced codec and so it takes up more horse power to play the files. At least I'm glad Nero can play them properly if you have a decent computer. To play these files on a TV, your better off either hooking up a decently spec'ed computer or from the camcorder itself.

I contacted Panasonic on this issue and they said my Blu-ray player should play the 1080p files just fine through the SD card slot. I guess I won't know 100% until I try it for myself, but I'm getting the camcorder for sure.
canonhd is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #92 of 3783 Old 03-12-2010, 12:50 PM
Member
 
cliffturn9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
so pretty much set on this camera....are there any neat features like a time lapse mode? where you can set it to take stills 1 pic a second for a set amount of time? or in order to do time lapse just shoot x amount of video and then speed it up?
cliffturn9 is offline  
post #93 of 3783 Old 03-12-2010, 03:09 PM
Member
 
TheBum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by cliffturn9 View Post

so pretty much set on this camera....are there any neat features like a time lapse mode? where you can set it to take stills 1 pic a second for a set amount of time? or in order to do time lapse just shoot x amount of video and then speed it up?

It does support time-lapse. This page should tell you just about everything you'd like to know about the features:
http://www.panasonic.net/avc/camcord.../feature2.html
TheBum is offline  
post #94 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 12:38 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Paulo Teixeira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,710
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Liked: 33
Theirs also a pre-record function that get's mentioned sometimes.

Here's a low light video from YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PuY6cxANdg
Paulo Teixeira is offline  
post #95 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 01:10 AM
Member
 
brnchbrkr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 33
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
brnchbrkr is offline  
post #96 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 11:08 AM
Newbie
 
kaztq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
That low light vid was much better than my TM350! Looking forward to getting the cam as its on its way from Japan!

I'll post info as soon as it arrives
kaztq is offline  
post #97 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 12:31 PM
Member
 
Midnight Tboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 80
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
That cnet review of the camcorder is a joke.

About 10% of the actual review is about the camcorder, the rest is going on about how his pc can't cope and the size of memory cards. They need to give that reviewer a different job.

could I ask where/how you ordered the camcorder from japan?

Back here in UK I've preordered the SD700 model, which has no memory, for just under £700 which is the cheapest I can find it. The TM700 is £1000 here (about $1500-1600).

So is it true that the Japanese model actually has 96gb built in memory instead of the 32gb that we're getting here too?
Midnight Tboy is offline  
post #98 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 12:40 PM
Advanced Member
 
marcolisi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 790
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Hi guys, do you know if and how much smaller is the tm700 lcd in comparison to the xr550 ?

thank you
marcolisi is offline  
post #99 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 12:43 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Paulo Teixeira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,710
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Liked: 33
Yeh the Japanese model has 96GB of internal memory. You probably know this already but Japan is NTSC just like the US while the UK is PAL. A lot of people will still import but it's better to know that before you consider it.
Paulo Teixeira is offline  
post #100 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 01:02 PM
Member
 
Midnight Tboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 80
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
yeah thats not a problem.

The chargers tend to always work universally (with a plug adapter most likely of course)....but so long as there is a menu option for english, could be a potential bargain to be had by buying from japan.

I've searched on where to order from for Japan but clueless as to where to start. any idea on prices? Mind - once the customs and postal charges added on may still be expensive. Any idea what the prices are to get from over there?

Several days of torture, constantly doing an advanced google search for past 24hr results for more info on the camera

Mind....I have tried the available mts file in the popcorn a-110 player and it does seem to struggle to play it a bit - but then noticed that the pal 50p file isnt at the full bitrate, so presumably it has also been played with as I read that at the 50/60p options it wont even be an avchd file but an mp4 or something like?
Midnight Tboy is offline  
post #101 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 01:24 PM
ddt
Member
 
ddt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Gig Harbor
Posts: 62
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight Tboy View Post

I've searched on where to order from for Japan but clueless as to where to start. any idea on prices?

Try post #66 on this thread
ddt is offline  
post #102 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 01:25 PM
Member
 
cliffturn9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight Tboy View Post


I've searched on where to order from for Japan but clueless as to where to start. any idea on prices? Mind - once the customs and postal charges added on may still be expensive. Any idea what the prices are to get from over there?

if you check out the JP Amazon the 96GB TM700 runs for USD=1,399.99
The price is booted up to match the internal memory I think it maybe pretty pricey, I am just going to wait till Mid April.

Also, random question does anybody know if this works on the TM700:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846

I am looking for a long lasting battery, the other panny battery only last 2 hours lame... I wanna get this one if it wokrs
cliffturn9 is offline  
post #103 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 01:37 PM
Newbie
 
kaztq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight Tboy View Post

That cnet review of the camcorder is a joke.

About 10% of the actual review is about the camcorder, the rest is going on about how his pc can't cope and the size of memory cards. They need to give that reviewer a different job.

could I ask where/how you ordered the camcorder from japan?

Back here in UK I've preordered the SD700 model, which has no memory, for just under £700 which is the cheapest I can find it. The TM700 is £1000 here (about $1500-1600).

So is it true that the Japanese model actually has 96gb built in memory instead of the 32gb that we're getting here too?

Yeah, the cnet review is pitiful!

I made friends with a person from Japan, I did them a favour, so they gets me lots of stuff from there! God bless the internet! I got my TM350 from the same person. I made sure it was the 96gb version, £900, not cheap at all but I have no patience and must have it NOW
kaztq is offline  
post #104 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 01:58 PM
Member
 
TheBum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcolisi View Post

Hi guys, do you know if and how much smaller is the tm700 lcd in comparison to the xr550 ?

The CX/XR550's screen is 3.5" and the Panasonic's is 3.0".
TheBum is offline  
post #105 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 02:19 PM
Member
 
cliffturn9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by kaztq View Post

Yeah, the cnet review is pitiful!

I made friends with a person from Japan, I did them a favour, so they gets me lots of stuff from there! God bless the internet! I got my TM350 from the same person. I made sure it was the 96gb version, £900, not cheap at all but I have no patience and must have it NOW

haha yeah i hear ya, thats pretty much 1400 USD. Damnnnnn. Kaztq when is your estimate arival date? I hope you share with us some pics of the camera as well as test footage. Bless people like you who take a risk and are still willing to help us waiters out haha
cliffturn9 is offline  
post #106 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 03:07 PM
Newbie
 
kaztq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Lol, it'll be my downfall, I cant help jumping in there, want the best of the best and want it now! May be run over by a bus next month.

Should arrive sometime next week, Wednesday maybe, feel a sicky from work coming on on that exact day! $1400 is about right which includes the postage

I will deffo post links up to youtube of sample videos, especially low light samples which are important to me, this is where the TM350 dissapointed me.
kaztq is offline  
post #107 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 04:28 PM
Member
 
cocomonk22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 26
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Price Japan has good costs with international shipping: (AVS Forum blocks the address for some reason)
http://***************/front/e_good_...947&category=9

If you are in Japan, lowest online cost with domestic shipping is here:
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000089823/
cocomonk22 is offline  
post #108 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 04:58 PM
Newbie
 
kaztq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by cocomonk22 View Post

Price Japan has good costs with international shipping: (AVS Forum blocks the address for some reason)
http://***************/front/e_good_...947&category=9

If you are in Japan, lowest online cost with domestic shipping is here:
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000089823/

Price japan is an interesting site, good to know, thanks
kaztq is offline  
post #109 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 05:42 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Paulo Teixeira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,710
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Liked: 33
That guy has some more videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/sanzhailongyan#g/u

I really need to test this thing out myself.
Paulo Teixeira is offline  
post #110 of 3783 Old 03-13-2010, 06:15 PM
Member
 
TheBum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

That guy has some more videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/sanzhailongyan#g/u

I really need to test this thing out myself.

Wow. The low light performance looks *really* good. That almost cinches it for me.
TheBum is offline  
post #111 of 3783 Old 03-14-2010, 08:43 AM
Newbie
 
kaztq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBum View Post

Wow. The low light performance looks *really* good. That almost cinches it for me.

It is a good improvement isn't it! That guy seems to have removed some of the videos, whyyyyyyyy?!

Anyway, EMS tracking just kickined in, its only been collected today for posting "sigh" seems like a thursday delivery will be the earliest.
kaztq is offline  
post #112 of 3783 Old 03-14-2010, 09:24 AM
Advanced Member
 
marcolisi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 790
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Hi guys, I have some questions for the experts and some guessing to do.

I own a panny hs350 that has a 43mm Filter Size

The new panny hs700 has a 46mm Filter Size

I use 37mm lenses and I am wondering if in your opinion with the new 46mm Filter Size , I would get more lens flares, reflecting light that with the old 43mm Filter Size .
I am asking you this because I read that in the the new panny hs700 , they made the lens so that would have less reflected light problem.

In general, do you think that mounting a 37mm lens on a 46mm lens would give more lens flares than mounting the 37mm lens on a 46mm lens ?

Than you
marcolisi is offline  
post #113 of 3783 Old 03-14-2010, 10:49 AM
Member
 
mengaart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 32
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Hi guys,
I went through some videos of canon HFS21 and Panasonic TM300 on the Vimeo, and the Pany seems to have a cold and unnatural colors compared with that of Canon. I like the features of Pany very much, so I hope, the new TM700 will be better.

I dont understand, why the bitrate at 30p is set just on 17 MBit/s. The processor is capable of 28 MBit/s at 60p, so why it just can not make a 24 Mbit/s at 30p, just like the Canon or new Sony 550V do?

I am very curios about the new optic of TM700 with F1,5, I cannot wait till somebody will make a test at low light and compare this camcorder with Canon HFS21 and Sony HDR 550V. This three ones are my favorites.
mengaart is offline  
post #114 of 3783 Old 03-14-2010, 11:34 AM
Advanced Member
 
marcolisi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 790
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
[quote=mengaart;18309807]

I dont understand, why the bitrate at 30p is set just on 17 MBit/s. The processor is capable of 28 MBit/s at 60p, so why it just can not make a 24 Mbit/s at 30p, just like the Canon or new Sony 550V do?

[quote]

I am not an expert, but I am thinking that maybe the reason is the video codec used.
I think at 60p , panny is going to use the mp4 video codec, the same one that Sanyo used on their hd2000.
Panasonic bought Sanyo and are integrating Sanyo tcnology into their products.
Maybe was easier to just implement the sanyo video codec than writing a new one for their avchd 30p and making 60p....

Again, I am not sure if I am say a lot of BS.
Maybe some expert here on the forum can give us some help on this

tx
marcolisi is offline  
post #115 of 3783 Old 03-14-2010, 01:53 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Paulo Teixeira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,710
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Liked: 33
Can you give me some Vimeo links to those Canon HF S21 videos that you saw? Unless you meant the previous models.
Paulo Teixeira is offline  
post #116 of 3783 Old 03-14-2010, 02:36 PM
Member
 
mengaart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 32
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

Can you give me some Vimeo links to those Canon HF S21 videos that you saw? Unless you meant the previous models.

Sorry, you right I ment the previous modell HF S11
mengaart is offline  
post #117 of 3783 Old 03-14-2010, 03:53 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Paulo Teixeira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,710
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Liked: 33
If the new imaging engine is as good as Panasonic say it is than that cancels out the higher bit advantage of the Canon although I'm certain the stabilizer of the Panasonic will be muchm much better so regardless, that alone cancels out the advantage nicely. Still, if your plan to shoot in 1080 24p most of the time, the Canon might be better because you don't have to remove pull-down although buying NeoScene solves that problem. It still would have been nice not needing to buy anything extra. That plus the 2 memory card slots are the only real advantages the Canon has over the Panasonic.

This really depends on how your using the camcorder.

I agree that the 1080 60p mode is borrowing technology from the HF1A/HD2000A camcorders. That's the biggest reason that I'd choose it over the top Canon and Sony camcorders. It would be extremely nice if that were to ever become a standard but I could really care less. I mean it's always best to have the best possible picture quality for your memories and if your recording events like I always do, they make perfect slow-motion tools.
Paulo Teixeira is offline  
post #118 of 3783 Old 03-14-2010, 06:41 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Paulo Teixeira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,710
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Liked: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

Theirs also a pre-record function that get's mentioned sometimes.

Here's a low light video from YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PuY6cxANdg

I really think the shutter was less than 60 because it looks almost similar to what my GH1 with the f/.1.7, 20mm lens can produce. It's too clean to be 60. It's probably 24 or 30. Still good.

Here's a GH1 video in which I used a shutter of 60, Aperture of f/1.7 and an ISO of 400.
http://vimeo.com/8373773
Paulo Teixeira is offline  
post #119 of 3783 Old 03-14-2010, 08:31 PM
Member
 
TheBum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
The user manual has been posted on Panasonic's UK website:
http://dlc.panasonic-europe-service....model=HDCTM700

Edit: A better one, with an index:
http://dlc.panasonic-europe-service....model=HDCTM700

Quick Start guide:
http://dlc.panasonic-europe-service....model=HDCTM700
TheBum is offline  
post #120 of 3783 Old 03-15-2010, 02:54 AM
Member
 
mengaart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 32
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
[quote=Paulo Teixeira;18311211]If the new imaging engine is as good as Panasonic say it is than that cancels out the higher bit advantage of the Canon although I'm certain the stabilizer of the Panasonic will be muchm much better so regardless, that alone cancels out the advantage nicely. Still, if your plan to shoot in 1080 24p most of the time, the Canon might be better because you don't have to remove pull-down although buying NeoScene solves that problem. It still would have been nice not needing to buy anything extra. That plus the 2 memory card slots are the only real advantages the Canon has over the Panasonic.

QUOTE]

The picture quality ist the most iportant, I agree. But watch this video at vimeo.com/4467621. It is TM300 compared to Canon HF S10. The picture quality of TM300 is not that impressive.... I am gonna use the camcorer for weddings, small documentaries but also lot of shootings in nature. I like the better picture of Pany at low light, but at good sunny wheather is the Canon just better. The colors of Pany seem to be unnatural, especially the green things like grass.

I think, that no matter what compression method is used, the video at 24 MBit is just less compressed than at 17 Mbit, so the picture quality must be better at higher bitrate.

I like to have Canons picture outside + 24Mbit/s, Sony picture at low light, Sony stabilisation, and Panasonic manual controls and focus ring. Who's gonna build me such an camcorder? I would pay him 1200 EUR :-).
mengaart is offline  
Reply Camcorders

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off