Originally Posted by Isaacb
I am considering pulling the trigger on this camera if I can find the answers to my questions.
What issues remain, are current, true, or false...
A. Does the camera really have a FAN Noise issue?
B. Is it really impossible to edit the video? If it is possible then how?
C. What camera is comparable to this model?
D. How is the still shot quality?
Thanks for your help.
A. The fan noise is real and present, it is clearly audible in silent conditions, and no choice of options can eliminate it in these conditions. Additionally what makes this particular problem worse is the input audio circuits for external mics are quite poor, and it doesn't matter how much you spend on an external mic, it will result in worse S/N levels than the internal mic - because the built in audio circuits for the external mic-in line are horrible.
I'm extremely picky about audio (I posted an EXTENSIVE thread and set of tests) on the built in mic, fan noise, external mics, audio circuit etc.
However, having said all of the above, in normal (i.e. non silent) conditions you won't hear the fan at all, even in "quiet" conditions you won't hear it. I have shot ~20 hours of video so far, only in clips amounting to less than 2% of these is the fan noise audible, and in these cases with Adobe Soundbooth it is very easy to clean up and remove. The contrary is true with external mics, the test cases I did with mics costing $100, $200, and even $300, the S/N hiss and humm introduced was far worse, and even more annoying, it was variable and thus nearly impossible to remove even in Soundbooth. Further, the built in Mic's wind noise reduction feature is good, in fact better than all 3 of the external mic's foam/fur muff's I tried. Additionally, I finally ended up spending $15 to buy a fur stick on muff from www.thewindcutter.com
that tapes itself onto the camera's mic and has vastly improved (eliminated) the remaining wind noise. I am quite pleased with the audio now.
B. It is not impossible, but is is very hardware demanding. Each software package is different at editing, I tested ~8 different software editing solutions, at the time I tested (~5 months ago) the ONLY one that was stable and also capable of 60P output was Premiere CS5. Other's may have now released 60P options, or improved their bugs since then. However, using CS5, NeoScene, and very high end hardware I can now edit the 60P files extremely fluidly, scrub the timeline as if it was Mini-DV footage, and play everything very smoothly. The hardware I have though is extreme. I would like to believe lesser equipment should be sufficient, but I can only provide two data points on this, the hardware I have that now works, and the hardware I first tried that wasn't sufficient.
Hardware: Intel Core i7-980X overclocked to 4.3Ghz, 12GB RAM at 1900Mhz, NVidia GTX 470, RAID-0 SSD's. Software: Win7-64, CS5, NeoScene.
Hardware: Intel Q9550 overclocked to 3.6Ghz, 8GB RAM, NVidia GTX 275, RAID-0 HDD's. Software Win7-64, CS4.
If you have zero patience or tollerance for anything but perfection, NeoScene is great. It's $100, it coverts the MTS files into AVI files - this takes up enormous amounts of disk space (2GB/min) but makes the files vastly easier to edit, and CS4/5 entirely reliable with whatever transitions, effects, etc you throw at it.
I'm sure other's can provide other editing alternatives, undoubtedly cheaper less demanding ones too! My requirements were framed around being able to play and scrub the timeline with perfectly smooth 60P playback even with transitions and filters applied, and also to have exacting audio editing capabilities - very few tools seem to meet all my requirements.
C. I don't think there's any comparible camera, nothing is this small at this level of optical quality. There is a significant difference between 30P and 60P, motion is liquid smooth, if you execute the work flow correctly and get the playback working correctly the difference between Blu-Ray quality output, and this output is shocking, blu-ray looks blocky, colorless, and jumpy compared to when you get 60P really working.
D. Still shot quality: This depends upon your perspective. Comparing it with a Nikon DSLR with lenses that cost more than the TM700K it's horrible. But your perspective may be different than mine. For stills I use my DSLR, for video, my TM700K (at least until Nikon properly executes 1080P/60P).