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Panasonic will announce it this week-

The HDC-SDT750 will be the very first consumer 3D camcorder. Post here for comments.
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The 3D lens can be taken off I believe leaving the camcorder looking like any other. Seeing that it's called SDT750 leads me to believe that the camcorder itself is an SD700/SD707 upgrade sort of like the TM350 was to the TM300. Just minor cosmetic changes but imagine if this thing has either a new fan design or none at all. Also I would hope they finally decided to put native 24p. This camcorder is something to keep an eye on and depending on the price of unit alone (that's if Panasonic offers it alone), I can see the prices of the current camcorders dropping even more.
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Hands on pics and first look:
hxxp://www.t3.com/reviews/cameras/camcorders/panasonic-hdc-sdt750-review

Please replace "xx" with "tt" in URL (still can't post them yet).

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Places are mentioning $1,400 for this thing so it seams like Panasonic is going for the kill with that price tag. That's the price of the Canon HF S21 and $100 less than the Sony MC50.

From what's being mentioned so far, the stabilizer appears to be better than the TM700's.

I still wonder if Panasonic will offer a similar camcorder separately. In case people didn't notice, Amazon was recently selling the TM700 for over $900 and today it's selling for $889. It wasn't too long ago that the TM700 was selling for under $740. Why the significant price increase you ask? Well, B&H still haven't got any TM700's in stock for the past few days so that's a good educated guess and it's been like that for a long time in which one sell out, the other increase the price.

It could be that Panasonic is shifting production to this new camcorder. First Sony releases the MC50 shortly after the release of the CX550 and now it seams Panasonic is doing the same thing.

Anyway, the 3D video quality out of this thing will be good but not anywhere near the quality of the Panasonic 3DA1 because that thing uses 6 chips instead of 3 although the 5 figure price tag is pretty steep.
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Two questions:

1. Will it record 1080/60p in 3D?
2. Will this be stored in AVCHD format?
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Since the 3DA1 is AVCHD, this thing will be AVCHD as well.
From what I read, it'll be using half full resolution per side for a total of 1920x1080.

I don't think it'll do 1080 60p in 3D.
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I hope they release the lens as an accessory for the current 700 series.
The "new" camcorder seems to be a 700 with special firmware.

I was looking for reasons to upgrade my TV to a 3D model. This looks like a good one.
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3D sucks. I've yet to see a convincing 3D program. They all look like cardboard cutouts, placed closer or farther. Looks even worse than regular 2D. And this is professional production. Does anyone think that amateur 3D will look any better?
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3D sucks. I've yet to see a convincing 3D program. They all look like cardboard cutouts, placed closer or farther. Looks even worse than regular 2D. And this is professional production. Does anyone think that amateur 3D will look any better?

3D is really starting to catch on. Wait and see how good it looks in a couple of years.
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The T3 site reports they were shown a HDC SD600 with the 3D lens attached. The lens is completely separate from the camcorder - it just compresses the images from the left and right lenses resulting in a side by side image i.e the two images from the two lenses presented as a 1080 X 1920 image. The camcorder records that image. A suitable TV will expand each of the two images back to 1080 X 1920 and paly them sequentially with the glasses switching on off in the normal 3D TV way.
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Yeah, i've read the same. And SD600 was mentioned as "normal SD600 with special firmware", something along those lines.

So I'd say that maybe they'll publish such "special firmware" for models like SD700/TM700/HS700, and perhaps few lower ones / older ones as well.

Can anyone post anything about TM750 specs that is different from TM700, except support for 3D lens in firmware?

EDIT: :wonders: .. I hope that once TM750 is out someone tries porting TM750 firmware to TM700
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First impressions review:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...view-37876.htm

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First impressions review:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...view-37876.htm

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Thanks.. I guess these are most important parts for those less interested in 3D and more interested in 2D (vs TM700/HS700/SD700):

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As a whole, the camcorder isn't much different than the HDC-TM700, except that it ships with an attachable 3D conversion lens, has an updated OIS, and features improved noise reduction

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Panasonic has stated the SDT750 should have better noise performance than its predecessors, which means you may be able to use more gain with the camcorder before your image becomes too noisy.

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Stabilization: In addition to 3D recording, the HDC-SDT750 also includes a new image stabilization feature called Hybrid OIS. This new stabilization system uses both optical and electronic stabilization modes in order to reduce the shakiness of video while recording. When engaged, the Hybrid OIS will automatically zoom in a bit because the system is designed to utilize the unused portions of the sensor to assist with stabilization (this is the electronic part of the hybrid system). According to Panasonic, this won't result in loss of image quality like normal electronic or digital image stabilization systems do. If you're still concerned about the quality of your video, however, you can turn Hybrid OIS off and just use the regular optical image stabilization system that is also present on the camcorder. OIS can be used in conjunction with the 3D conversion lens on the HDC-SDT750.

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As a 2D camcorder, we are confident in the HDC-SDT750's capabilities, as it is essentially the same model as the Panasonic HDC-TM700, which has been #1 on our ratings page ever since we reviewed it early this year. In addition to the 3D recording capability, Panasonic also improved the noise reduction on the HDC-SDT750 and added a new image stabilization system called Hybrid OIS. We'll have to wait until we get the SDT750 into our labs before we can say if either of these new features make much of a difference, but, according to Panasonic, the new camcorder should have 40% less noise in low light situations than previous models.

Well, as much as it reads here.. SDT750 could be interesting after all. But these all sound like soft optimizations.. I do hope that some of that gets ported to TM700. Image stabilization is already OK, but 40% less noise in low light? Wow! I want that!
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These are already available for pre-order!

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-HDC-.../dp/B003XREDVE
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According to Panasonic's marketing, the stabilizer is twice as good as the TM700.
http://panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/h..._feature1.html

If I had the money, I'd buy the Japanese TM750 version with the 96GB flash drive.

If any of you wants to be an early-bird, the TM750 can already be bought in Amazon.jp for ¥ 114,800 or $1,344.86 US.
It's too bad the 60i mode is still 17Mbps and 24p is within 60i although that can easily be fixed but then again, I'd be shooting in mostly 1080 60p anyway.
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I tried buying TM750 from Amazon.jp, but when I added it to my cart and gave them my shipping address, I got a message that this unit will not ship to USA (WTF!?). You can get it from moc.napaJecirP (you need to read this backward!!!, if I post the name correctly this site will show **************) for $1333 with delivery. Did anyone ever purchase anything from them?
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The 3d lense better be compatible with my tm700!

According to this site it is, we shall see, I may get it when 3d becomes more mainstream and generally better

http://www.eurolink.ee/en/offers
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I wonder if it will be available here in the US without the 3D lens, I need one so bad, otherwise I will have to just buy the whole thing and sell the 3D lens at eebay.
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Prior to today, Amazon site indicated this would be release October 15. Today it is listed as available now. I ordered it with an expected delivery date tomorrow, October 8.
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Prior to today, Amazon site indicated this would be release October 15. Today it is listed as available now. I ordered it with an expected delivery date tomorrow, October 8.

I ordered mine from amazon too, I tried faster shipping options, but they say it won't ship until october 14, so I went with the free option estimated 15 oct - 18 oct, anyways I will be selling my 3D lens at ebay if anybody interested.
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I ordered mine from amazon too, I tried faster shipping options, but they say it won't ship until october 14, so I went with the free option estimated 15 oct - 18 oct, anyways I will be selling my 3D lens at ebay if anybody interested.

I just ordered it yesterday and chose Prime Next Day. I can't imagine they would ship mine before yours so you might be getting yours sooner.

I am also not interested in the 3D lens, but I'm not sure selling it is an option. A review of the unit provided a basic description of the lens calibrate process, which involved prompts on the lcd. The prompts could be completely static, but I got the sense they were interactive, with firmware involvement in the calibration. If that is the case, and the firmware is required for at least the calibration, and possibly operation, then the lens would not be useful for other models. Unless Panasonic decided at some point to provide a firmware upgrade for the 700 and sell the 3D lens separately, the lens would be good only for the 750. Just speculation on my part - I could be completely wrong.
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As far as I can see the only diffrence between 750 and previous model is a new firmware, also some improvement of the image stabilisiation which has nothing to do with 3D, I would assume that all 60p models will work with 3D lens after a firmware upgrade since there is no electronic connection between the camcorder and the lens, Panasonic will release the firmware after selling as much as they can of the full set units (750's), time will tell.
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As far as I can see the only diffrence between 750 and previous model is a new firmware, also some improvement of the image stabilisiation which has nothing to do with 3D, I would assume that all 60p models will work with 3D lens after a firmware upgrade since there is no electronic connection between the camcorder and the lens, Panasonic will release the firmware after selling as much as they can of the full set units (750's), time will tell.

Besides a better stabilizer, theirs a also talk of better low light capabilities. It does seem like the newer 700 models have a quieter fan but I'm wondering if the 750 has an entirely new design. That could be another major difference. Hopefully they'll have a site soon that gives a good comparison review between the 700 and 750 series.

I see it a little differently. They will sell as much as the SDT750's in the US as they can and then they will release a stand-alone TM750.
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As far as I can see the only diffrence between 750 and previous model is a new firmware, also some improvement of the image stabilisiation which has nothing to do with 3D, I would assume that all 60p models will work with 3D lens after a firmware upgrade since there is no electronic connection between the camcorder and the lens, Panasonic will release the firmware after selling as much as they can of the full set units (750's), time will tell.

The image stabilization is pretty clearly doing the thing Sony did earlier this year -- digital image stabilization added to optical. The digital handles rotations around the Z-axis, which optical methods can't fix.

I'll bet there's firmware, maybe even a sensor, to deal with the 3D attachment. If you just handle it optically, they basically have two anamorphic lenses that turn one 1920x1080 image into two 960x1080 images. That probably doesn't play directly on 3D TVs, so the additional firmware would be needed to build a file that's recognized directly by 3D players as a 3D file. But I can't imagine that the lens, fit to a TM700 or any other compatible camera, couldn't deliver a 3D image you could manipulate later. And hey... I just upgraded to Vegas Pro 10, so I can actually edit in stereo. And my PS3 got the "3D" upgrade. Now if only my TV would magically morph into a 3D model.

I'm actually not all that interested, but this does suggest the quest for gear would be less, at least at some level, than it was to go from SD to HD. I had concerns. The main reason I'm not interested is that, aside from video I shoot, there's still going to be very limited stereoscopic material, and way too much of what's coming out is faked -- generated by computer from a single stream. I've seen good "3D"... Avatar. Pretty much everything else looked better in 2D.

And then there's the glasses. LCD shutter glasses are just such a kludge. I was kind of hoping that Mitsubishi (the last proponent of DLP projection TV for the home) would deliver a RealD-style circularly polarized TV. In fact, it's a slam dunk... most of the 3D theaters do exactly this: they hook up a polarizer wheel that syncs to the DLP projector (cine-style DLP projectors shutter at 144fps, and if you see IMAX, you have one projector for each eye, but otherwise, it's a single one with a polarizing wheel). That could easily be built into a DLP TV. But no, they're following the LCD shutter model... guess that's essentially just software and a sync output.

I'll wait...
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I am sure the adult industri will find a use for this :-)

Now, I wonder how long till Sony, Canon and JVC bring us 3D camcorders :-)
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