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toni1's Avatar toni1 05:01 AM 12-16-2010
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Originally Posted by Ungermann View Post

In simple terms, 1080i30 is equal to 540p60, which is not the same as 1080p60. See the difference? With progressive you have twice higher vertical resolution. Depends on deinterlacer, of course, but with progressive you do not need deinterlacer, smart or dumb, you do not need ANY deinterlacer at all. This means that the video will look EXACTLY THE SAME, and predictably so on all displays, whereas how interlaced video looks depends on deinterlacer. Crappy TVs show crappy picture.

Progressive video is fool-proof, it works on any dumb display. Try to grasp this concept.

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Ungermann
Thanks for help
2 questions:
1-How can one be sure that whatever BR player you use, that there is not some downconversion of the files to make them readable without problems on whatever display panel
2- Are you sure that bad outcome of your experimental method is not linked to other factors like different dvd quality used I mentioned in onother post ( or other factors )

toni1

v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 07:56 AM 12-16-2010
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Originally Posted by August1991 View Post

Under what lighting conditions, and what movement?

If you want a DSLR, buy one. The GH-2 is apparently a good choice.

The file I downloaded was in mp4 format. It was showing 59.94 fps when I did an ffmpeg -i on it. The subject that was being taken is a dog at bright light. I'll look for the download site where I downloaded the sample 60p files.

Why are you pushing GH2 and not TM700? Thanks.
jogiba's Avatar jogiba 08:01 AM 12-16-2010
The GH2 and TM700 are not the same since the GH2 has a much larger sensor and no power zoom lenses. I have the GH2 coming today and it will not be used for the same type of videos that I shoot with my TM700 since I will only be using it with manual focus lenses like with my Pentax K-7.
v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 08:16 AM 12-16-2010
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Originally Posted by jogiba View Post

The GH2 and TM700 are not the same since the GH2 has a much larger sensor and no power zoom lenses. I have the GH2 coming today and it will not be used for the same type of videos that I shoot with my TM700 since I will only be using it with manual focus lenses like with my Pentax K-7.

I think TM700 will be ideal for me since I am a beginner. I really want to learn how to make simple short films, you know, just for hobby and fun. Someone already gave me links on where to buy materials to make a 35mm adapter.

Do you like your TM700? This guy who gave the links loves his TM700 a lot.
Ungermann's Avatar Ungermann 11:23 AM 12-16-2010
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Originally Posted by v1rtu0s1ty View Post

Tested the avchd disk via my 2 players.

No issues with Pioneer BDP-320 with 3.69a firmware. Everything was smooth, no audio drop out. It was even cool since the last clip showed my birthday.

With my PS3 slim using latest firmware version, all 4 clips were fine, no issues. However, on the last clip, it was fine for the first 10 seconds. After this, it would pause for split second, no audio for that split second. It did it ever 3 seconds gap until the clip ended.

UPDATE:

Just read from above that aznative and I have the same experience with PS3 slim.

Thanks for testing, I will add this info to AVCHD page on wikipedia.
mariner888's Avatar mariner888 05:41 PM 12-16-2010
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Originally Posted by v1rtu0s1ty View Post

Tested the avchd disk via my 2 players.

No issues with Pioneer BDP-320 with 3.69a firmware. Everything was smooth, no audio drop out. It was even cool since the last clip showed my birthday.

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This is great news, v1rtu0s1ty.

Did you test
1) AVCHD ISO burnt to DVD-R?
2) .mts file playback from DVD-R, especially the unedited 28mbps 1920x1080/60p clip 5?

Many thanks and best regards.
v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 07:27 PM 12-16-2010
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

This is great news, v1rtu0s1ty.

Did you test
1) AVCHD ISO burnt to DVD-R?
2) .mts file playback from DVD-R, especially the unedited 28mbps 1920x1080/60p clip 5?

Many thanks and best regards.

Yup. First, I checked the contents of the image before I burned it. So I mounted the iso.


[root@mfe /]# mount -o loop /home/neil/1080-60p.iso /mnt/avchd
[root@mfe /]# ls -lrtR /mnt/avchd
/mnt/avchd:
total 4
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 40 2010-10-31 14:20 HDAVCTN
dr-xr-xr-x 6 4294967295 4294967295 340 2010-10-31 14:21 BDMV

/mnt/avchd/HDAVCTN:
total 0

/mnt/avchd/BDMV:
total 34
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 300 2010-10-31 14:21 STREAM
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 300 2010-10-31 14:21 PLAYLIST
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 23570 2010-10-31 14:21 MovieObject.bdmv
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 614 2010-10-31 14:21 index.bdmv
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 300 2010-10-31 14:21 CLIPINF
dr-xr-xr-x 4 4294967295 4294967295 244 2010-10-31 14:21 BACKUP

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/STREAM:
total 343320
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 58238976 2010-10-31 14:20 00000.m2ts
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 55572480 2010-10-31 14:20 00001.m2ts
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 62459904 2010-10-31 14:20 00002.m2ts
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 69322752 2010-10-31 14:20 00003.m2ts
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 105965568 2010-10-31 14:21 00004.m2ts

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/PLAYLIST:
total 10
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 760 2010-10-31 14:21 00004.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00003.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00002.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00001.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00000.mpls

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/CLIPINF:
total 10
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 774 2010-10-31 14:21 00004.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00003.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00002.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00001.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00000.clpi

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/BACKUP:
total 30
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 300 2010-10-31 14:21 PLAYLIST
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 300 2010-10-31 14:21 CLIPINF
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 614 2010-10-31 14:21 index.bdmv
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 23570 2010-10-31 14:21 MovieObject.bdmv

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/BACKUP/PLAYLIST:
total 10
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 760 2010-10-31 14:21 00004.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00003.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00002.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00001.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00000.mpls

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/BACKUP/CLIPINF:
total 10
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 774 2010-10-31 14:21 00004.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00003.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00002.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00001.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00000.clpi

I did a dir listing so you can see how the AVCHD structure was laid out.

I watched all the clips on my linux using command line mplayer and it played flawlessly. My system is an i7, ATI 4850 or 4870(couldn't remember) and 4gig ram, Fedora 12. The native TM700 is 00004.m2ts.

I burned the iso image using imgburn. Tested it with PS3 slim and my Pioneer BDP-320.

I'm going to test it again with on my Pioneer since the volume when I tested it was low. For the PS3 slim, guaranteed that it's choppy in the 5th clip.
alainhubert's Avatar alainhubert 01:03 AM 12-17-2010
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Originally Posted by Ungermann View Post

This is sad. What model is that? So, it does not play even the first clip?

Addendum to my first reply on this. It turns out that I had made a mistake while burning the ISO image on a DVD.

Upon correctly burning your ISO image a second time, it does play in my Sharp Aquos BD-HP21 drive (even though it is not advertised as AVCHD compliant). The first few files play perfectly, but the very last file starts to play fine but stutters slightly after about 10 seconds or so. Looks like the disk isn't spinning fast enough, because if I pause playback and then continue, it's fine again for about another 10 seconds or so, and stuttering comes back. It looks like the internal playback memory buffer is emptying by data starvation.

Just thought I'd let you know...
mariner888's Avatar mariner888 05:12 AM 12-17-2010
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Originally Posted by v1rtu0s1ty View Post

Yup. First, I checked the contents of the image before I burned it. So I mounted the iso.


[root@mfe /]# mount -o loop /home/neil/1080-60p.iso /mnt/avchd
[root@mfe /]# ls -lrtR /mnt/avchd
/mnt/avchd:
total 4
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 40 2010-10-31 14:20 HDAVCTN
dr-xr-xr-x 6 4294967295 4294967295 340 2010-10-31 14:21 BDMV

/mnt/avchd/HDAVCTN:
total 0

/mnt/avchd/BDMV:
total 34
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 300 2010-10-31 14:21 STREAM
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 300 2010-10-31 14:21 PLAYLIST
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 23570 2010-10-31 14:21 MovieObject.bdmv
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 614 2010-10-31 14:21 index.bdmv
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 300 2010-10-31 14:21 CLIPINF
dr-xr-xr-x 4 4294967295 4294967295 244 2010-10-31 14:21 BACKUP

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/STREAM:
total 343320
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 58238976 2010-10-31 14:20 00000.m2ts
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 55572480 2010-10-31 14:20 00001.m2ts
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 62459904 2010-10-31 14:20 00002.m2ts
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 69322752 2010-10-31 14:20 00003.m2ts
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 105965568 2010-10-31 14:21 00004.m2ts

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/PLAYLIST:
total 10
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 760 2010-10-31 14:21 00004.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00003.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00002.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00001.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00000.mpls

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/CLIPINF:
total 10
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 774 2010-10-31 14:21 00004.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00003.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00002.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00001.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00000.clpi

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/BACKUP:
total 30
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 300 2010-10-31 14:21 PLAYLIST
dr-xr-xr-x 2 4294967295 4294967295 300 2010-10-31 14:21 CLIPINF
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 614 2010-10-31 14:21 index.bdmv
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 23570 2010-10-31 14:21 MovieObject.bdmv

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/BACKUP/PLAYLIST:
total 10
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 760 2010-10-31 14:21 00004.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00003.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00002.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00001.mpls
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 744 2010-10-31 14:21 00000.mpls

/mnt/avchd/BDMV/BACKUP/CLIPINF:
total 10
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 774 2010-10-31 14:21 00004.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00003.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00002.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00001.clpi
-r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 778 2010-10-31 14:21 00000.clpi

I did a dir listing so you can see how the AVCHD structure was laid out.

I watched all the clips on my linux using command line mplayer and it played flawlessly. My system is an i7, ATI 4850 or 4870(couldn't remember) and 4gig ram, Fedora 12. The native TM700 is 00004.m2ts.

I burned the iso image using imgburn. Tested it with PS3 slim and my Pioneer BDP-320.

I'm going to test it again with on my Pioneer since the volume when I tested it was low. For the PS3 slim, guaranteed that it's choppy in the 5th clip.

1. So you tested with a DVD-R, and not a BD-R. You are the first to demonstrate that DVD-R has sufficient bandwidth to support 28mbps 1920x1080/60p streams. Congratulations.

2. If you have access to BD burner, perhaps you like to burn a BD-R copy and test it on your PS3.

Many thanks and best regards.
v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 07:50 AM 12-17-2010
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

1. So you tested with a DVD-R, and not a BD-R. You are the first to demonstrate that DVD-R has sufficient bandwidth to support 28mbps 1920x1080/60p streams. Congratulations.

2. If you have access to BD burner, perhaps you like to burn a BD-R copy and test it on your PS3.

Many thanks and best regards.

Sorry for not updating it last night. I was tired so post my results. On my Pioneer, the first few clips played fine but the last 2, the audio was cutting.

However, on PS3 slim using the burned iso image on DVD-R, first 4 clips played really smooth and fine but not the last. Like the previous poster, rewinding it will play it fine. I guess if the player can add another larger buffer, it would solve the issue.

I don't have a BD recorder.
aminoacid's Avatar aminoacid 11:51 AM 12-17-2010
Pardon my intrusion. You guys seems to be experts, so I could not resist asking.

I just bought TM700. I play the files on HTPC connected to 720p projector with HDMI. 1080/60i (HA, 17Mbps) plays about 95% OK. Playback could be smoother. 1080/60p judders a lot.

I guess part of the problem could be hardware of my HTPC or software (codecs etc.). I am suing Windows 7 Media Center to play the files from HDD (WD Black 7200rpm). CPU is AMD 5000 and graphics is on board HD3200. I would appreciate if you could point me in the right direction so that I can enjoy the smooth playback of 1080/60i and 1080/60p files.
biomedtech's Avatar biomedtech 12:02 PM 12-17-2010
I am not a Windows 7 user. Is there still a hardware accelerator slowing things down?
v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 02:28 PM 12-17-2010
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Originally Posted by v1rtu0s1ty View Post
The file I downloaded was in mp4 format. It was showing 59.94 fps when I did an ffmpeg -i on it. The subject that was being taken is a dog at bright light. I'll look for the download site where I downloaded the sample 60p files.

Why are you pushing GH2 and not TM700? Thanks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aminoacid View Post
Pardon my intrusion. You guys seems to be experts, so I could not resist asking.

I just bought TM700. I play the files on HTPC connected to 720p projector with HDMI. 1080/60i (HA, 17Mbps) plays about 95% OK. Playback could be smoother. 1080/60p judders a lot.

I guess part of the problem could be hardware of my HTPC or software (codecs etc.). I am suing Windows 7 Media Center to play the files from HDD (WD Black 7200rpm). CPU is AMD 5000 and graphics is on board HD3200. I would appreciate if you could point me in the right direction so that I can enjoy the smooth playback of 1080/60i and 1080/60p files.
Most likely, the culprit is your hardware. I've downloaded 1920x1080 60p sample files past few nights and the playback on my Fedora 12, i7 cpu , Visiontek 4870 is very smooth. I think even my old Nvidia 6600 GT will play it fine as long as cpu is i7.

From what I know, high-bit rate video files are cpu intensive. They are just static frames compared to vector graphics. That's the time you need powerful GPUs.
mariner888's Avatar mariner888 05:52 PM 12-17-2010
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Originally Posted by v1rtu0s1ty View Post
Sorry for not updating it last night. I was tired so post my results. On my Pioneer, the first few clips played fine but the last 2, the audio was cutting.

...
Sorry to hear that the pioneer cannot handle the 28mbps clip. Back to square one, i suppose.
v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 06:48 PM 12-17-2010
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post
Sorry to hear that the pioneer cannot handle the 28mbps clip. Back to square one, i suppose.
I think if buffer on the bd players can be increased, problem can be solved. I went back few seconds and it played fine on the spot where it was choppy.
aminoacid's Avatar aminoacid 07:45 PM 12-17-2010
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Originally Posted by v1rtu0s1ty View Post
Most likely, the culprit is your hardware. I've downloaded 1920x1080 60p sample files past few nights and the playback on my Fedora 12, i7 cpu , Visiontek 4870 is very smooth. I think even my old Nvidia 6600 GT will play it fine as long as cpu is i7.

From what I know, high-bit rate video files are cpu intensive. They are just static frames compared to vector graphics. That's the time you need powerful GPUs.
Thanks. I guess I should invest in a GPU. Will Radeon HD 5450 suffice?
v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 07:50 PM 12-17-2010
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Thanks. I guess I should invest in a GPU. Will Radeon HD 5450 suffice?
That video card is beefy enough for these types of videos. You need a powerful cpu for this type of videos.
aminoacid's Avatar aminoacid 07:55 PM 12-17-2010
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That video card is beefy enough for these types of videos. You need a powerful cpu for this type of videos.
CPU utilization was only 40% during play back. Does this mean CPU was not the limiting factor? Or there something else that I am missing.
v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 08:41 PM 12-17-2010
CPU was only 40%? Hmmm, mine is an i7 and cpu was ranging between 95%-99%.

Here is the utilization when I ran 5 instances of mplayer playing 00004.m2ts

Code:
09:27:35 PM  CPU    %usr   %nice    %sys %iowait    %irq   %soft  %steal  %guest   %idle
09:27:37 PM    0   18.32    0.00    4.46    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.99   76.24
09:27:37 PM    1   47.57    0.00    8.74    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   43.69
09:27:37 PM    2   17.24    0.00    0.49    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   82.27
09:27:37 PM    3   83.00    0.00    1.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   16.00
09:27:37 PM    4   89.45    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   10.55
09:27:37 PM    5  100.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00
09:27:37 PM    6   91.46    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    8.54
09:27:37 PM    7   45.32    0.00   11.33    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   43.35

09:27:37 PM  CPU    %usr   %nice    %sys %iowait    %irq   %soft  %steal  %guest   %idle
09:27:39 PM    0   23.27    0.00    4.46    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   72.28
09:27:39 PM    1   22.86    0.00    4.76    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.48   71.90
09:27:39 PM    2    8.37    0.00    0.99    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   90.64
09:27:39 PM    3   46.08    0.00   10.78    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   43.14
09:27:39 PM    4   93.00    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    6.50
09:27:39 PM    5   99.00    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.50
09:27:39 PM    6  100.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00
09:27:39 PM    7   99.50    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00

09:27:39 PM  CPU    %usr   %nice    %sys %iowait    %irq   %soft  %steal  %guest   %idle
09:27:41 PM    0   32.18    0.00    7.92    2.48    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.99   56.44
09:27:41 PM    1   26.44    0.00    6.73    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   66.83
09:27:41 PM    2    9.76    0.00    1.95    1.95    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   86.34
09:27:41 PM    3   42.93    0.00    8.29    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   48.78
09:27:41 PM    4   87.50    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   12.00
09:27:41 PM    5   94.50    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    5.00
09:27:41 PM    6   99.00    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.50
09:27:41 PM    7   98.50    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    1.00
When I played the first file, 00000.m2ts, cpu was only 28%.

The 00004.m2ts file is very highly cpu intensive. I'm not familiar with your cpu model. It looks like powerful than i7. Did you play 00004.m2ts file?

By the way, I love this cpu, no stutter on all 5 videos even when played at the same time.
August1991's Avatar August1991 12:42 AM 12-18-2010
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Originally Posted by v1rtu0s1ty View Post

The native TM700 is 00004.m2ts.

The TM700 generates raw/native *.mts files at 60p. I suspect that your *.m2ts file was rendered in some way. (Likely through a Sony codec at 60i and it looks great on your big screen.)

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The TM700 has good PQ in special circumstances but the files to observe it are difficult to play. I suspect that many people, new to HD, are using TM700 rendered files and expressing their amazement - when the rendered file is no better than a HD Canon or Sony of two years ago.
August1991's Avatar August1991 02:04 AM 12-18-2010
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Originally Posted by v1rtu0s1ty View Post

The file I downloaded was in mp4 format. It was showing 59.94 fps when I did an ffmpeg -i on it.

The original container would show such a rate. But it seems that you (or someone else) converted the file.

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Originally Posted by v1rtu0s1ty View Post

Why are you pushing GH2 and not TM700? Thanks.

I'm not pushing either. I'm shopping around for a new camcorder since I gifted my SR11 to my nephew.

I generally dislike Sony for the same reason I dislike Apple. But I want a good, functional camcorder.
v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 06:05 AM 12-18-2010
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The original container would show such a rate. But it seems that you (or someone else) converted the file.

I'm not pushing either. I'm shopping around for a new camcorder since I gifted my SR11 to my nephew.

I generally dislike Sony for the same reason I dislike Apple. But I want a good, functional camcorder.


Yeah, they re-encoded it. I'm actually shocked to find out the bitrate, It's 30 mb/s. It's even higher than the 00004.m2ts' bitrate from our avchd iso image. I downloaded the video from Vimeo from here, http://www.vimeo.com/10663543. I had to sign up to download it.



What you don't like about TM700? Please let me know so I can study my decisions. Thanks.
aminoacid's Avatar aminoacid 11:01 AM 12-18-2010
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CPU was only 40%? Hmmm, mine is an i7 and cpu was ranging between 95%-99%.

Here is the utilization when I ran 5 instances of mplayer playing 00004.m2ts

Code:
09:27:35 PM  CPU    %usr   %nice    %sys %iowait    %irq   %soft  %steal  %guest   %idle
09:27:37 PM    0   18.32    0.00    4.46    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.99   76.24
09:27:37 PM    1   47.57    0.00    8.74    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   43.69
09:27:37 PM    2   17.24    0.00    0.49    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   82.27
09:27:37 PM    3   83.00    0.00    1.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   16.00
09:27:37 PM    4   89.45    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   10.55
09:27:37 PM    5  100.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00
09:27:37 PM    6   91.46    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    8.54
09:27:37 PM    7   45.32    0.00   11.33    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   43.35

09:27:37 PM  CPU    %usr   %nice    %sys %iowait    %irq   %soft  %steal  %guest   %idle
09:27:39 PM    0   23.27    0.00    4.46    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   72.28
09:27:39 PM    1   22.86    0.00    4.76    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.48   71.90
09:27:39 PM    2    8.37    0.00    0.99    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   90.64
09:27:39 PM    3   46.08    0.00   10.78    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   43.14
09:27:39 PM    4   93.00    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    6.50
09:27:39 PM    5   99.00    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.50
09:27:39 PM    6  100.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00
09:27:39 PM    7   99.50    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00

09:27:39 PM  CPU    %usr   %nice    %sys %iowait    %irq   %soft  %steal  %guest   %idle
09:27:41 PM    0   32.18    0.00    7.92    2.48    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.99   56.44
09:27:41 PM    1   26.44    0.00    6.73    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   66.83
09:27:41 PM    2    9.76    0.00    1.95    1.95    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   86.34
09:27:41 PM    3   42.93    0.00    8.29    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   48.78
09:27:41 PM    4   87.50    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00   12.00
09:27:41 PM    5   94.50    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    5.00
09:27:41 PM    6   99.00    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.50
09:27:41 PM    7   98.50    0.00    0.50    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    1.00
When I played the first file, 00000.m2ts, cpu was only 28%.

The 00004.m2ts file is very highly cpu intensive. I'm not familiar with your cpu model. It looks like powerful than i7. Did you play 00004.m2ts file?

By the way, I love this cpu, no stutter on all 5 videos even when played at the same time.

It is AMD 64 X2 5000. I think I am missing some application. When I tried to play the iso burned onto a DVD (using DVD ROM drive) and 7MC, I got an error - Tp play this DVD, you must first install a playback application that supports Blu-Ray Disc. That application is probably PowerDVD or TotalMedia Theater.
Quidsane's Avatar Quidsane 01:06 AM 12-19-2010
I can confirm that the Oppo BDP-83 with the latest Public Beta Release firmware (BDP83-52-0816B, August 24, 2010) only plays the first file correctly.
In 2-5, the video stutters and the audio is intermittent. This is the .iso burned to DVD-R, not BD.

I did post some interesting findings in the TM700 thread about the Sony BDP-S270.
I have discovered it can play 1080/60p .mts files with no problems at all.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post19672058
msgohan's Avatar msgohan 04:56 PM 01-11-2011
Spurred on by some other posts, I decided to try 00004.m2ts on a USB stick on my PS3 and it's fine even though it still stutters when played back from the AVCHD ISO on DVD+RW. Perhaps your theory about DVD read speeds holds more water than I thought...

I'd also like to try the actual AVCHD-USB format instead of playing it as a media file but I don't know how to author it. I tried just renaming the UDF files to their FAT equivalents and that allowed it to recognize an AVCHD structure but then it said it couldn't play the video.
Ungermann's Avatar Ungermann 07:13 PM 12-24-2011
The Sony BDP-S185 can play 1080p60 from DVD-R without stutter:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbYfjiN6fqk
LL
msgohan's Avatar msgohan 10:18 AM 05-14-2013
Is there any interest in this topic still, or has it become irrelevant with AVCHD 2.0? I have a HDC-TM700 recording that may be more of a 1080p60 stress test than the one here, due to some higher peaks (it is slightly lower on average). My PS3 can't play it properly at all, at least not from the SDHC card.




http://chidragon.thedessie.com/2012-05-05_snow.MTS
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