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I am impressed. NOT.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/p...-and-1mos-all/

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I am impressed. NOT.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/p...-and-1mos-all/

Me neither. 3.5-inch touch screen LCDs with 460,800 dots -- what, is it a joke? Sure, it is twice higher resolution than the TM700's crappy screen, but it is also twice lower than on the Canons and the Sonys.

I bet the only other improvement they made is switching to a new battery form-factor with a different handshake method, because Chinese $15 batteries ruin Panasonic's idea of $120 battery packs.

Ugh.
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I do wonder if these things will have native 24p like the GH2. It does have an updated stabilizer Although Panasonic is claiming the picture quality will be better than the TM700's, he internal storage is still 32GB. The Japanese versions had 96GB for both the TM700 and TM750.

Still, it might be a first week purchase for me but what's interesting is that the Sony CX700 has both 24p and 60p. I knew Sony might do that! 60p is about to get even more popular.

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I bet the only other improvement they made is switching to a new battery form-factor with a different handshake method, because Chinese $15 batteries ruin Panasonic's idea of $120 battery packs.

Ugh.

LOL, that would be funny if they did this.

Pana is betting on their 3D strategy which IMHO is destined to fail as any 3D strategy which requires glasses.

@Paulo: highly doubt they put native 24P there. If they did, I would consider an upgrade.
They didn't even bother to increase 1060i stream to 24Mb/sec, it is still 17Mbsec.

As of Sony, it is 1MOS vs 3Mos Pana. Sony puts 3MOS in their "Pro" models only. Also, it is way more expensive.

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The HDC-TM900, HDC-HS900, and HDC-SD800 each feature Panasonic's 3MOS image sensor system that incorporates three 1/4.1-inch CMOS sensors (for a total pixel count of 9.15 megapixels). This sensor array is unchanged from what Panasonic offered last year on the HDC-TM700 and HDC-HS700, but the new camcorders do have an improved processor called Crystal Engine PRO. Panasonic claims this new processor reduces noise by 45% (compared to Panasonic's conventional models), and should produce better images in low-light conditions.

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The battery looks the same, phew! What about the fan? Is is still there, or is it a speaker? What about ergonomics? The same single mode button instead of two. Panasonic does not learn on its mistakes.

Paulo, I am googling for Sony CX700 and finding nothing. Are you at CES?
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wait a minute now, why do none of these camcorders say Hybrid OIS?

I thought that was supposed to be the new OIS system, after Power OIS? You think they found something wrong with it? (like the fact it is audible in quiet settings....or something more serious?)
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The battery looks the same, phew! What about the fan? Is is still there, or is it a speaker? What about ergonomics? The same single mode button instead of two. Panasonic does not learn on its mistakes.

Paulo, I am googling for Sony CX700 and finding nothing. Are you at CES?

Try Sony HDR-CX700VE
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Try Sony HDR-CX700VE

The Sony Handycam HDR-CX700VE is a high end camcorder model packing a load of features including the Exmor R CMOS Sensor that performs well in low light conditions, a Wide Angle Lens G, Optical SteadyShot with Active Mode, Highlight Playback, Face Detection, iAUTO, 60p/30p recording (50p/25p in Europe) and 96GB of flash memory. The newly developed 16:9 Exmor R CMOS sensor delivers wide angle of up to 26.3mm (35mm equivalent). The HDR-CX700VE will be available in March 2011.



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I think "conventional" is the key word here.
No changes from the 2010 HD models AFAIK.

Because if you go to panasonic.net it says "Clear Engine Pro" is implemented in the HD models of 2010.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Sony's own page says nothing about 60p on this cam: http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_ro...ase/58850.html
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Indeed. They also say something about manual controls. If the controls are indeed full manual, then this cam may be a new leader, taking the crown from the TM700. The other page says that 24p is native, while the TM700's Digital Cinema is not.
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It'll be competing with the TM900. I'm slightly leaning toward the TM900 because of the focusing ring around the lens and 3 native chip design which should give better colors but for sure I'm going to keep a close watch on the CX700 and what ever JVC shows before I purchase anything, I'm definitely glad Sony sees the light.

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Indeed. They also say something about manual controls. If the controls are indeed full manual, then this cam may be a new leader, taking the crown from the TM700. The other page says that 24p is native, while the TM700's Digital Cinema is not.
Don't forget Pana 3Mos vs Sony 1Mos.

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It'll be competing with the TM900. I'm slightly leaning toward the TM900 because of the focusing ring around the lens and 3 native chip design which should give better colors but for sure I'm going to keep a close watch on the CX700 and what ever JVC shows before I purchase anything, I'm definitely glad Sony sees the light.

And why TM900 and not TM700? I fail to see any significant difference between them, unless 3.5 LCD size and buttons positions are very important to you.

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which have better specs?

the sony hdr-cx700 or the sony hdr-td10?

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The Canon XF100 (MSRP $3K) has one 1/3-inch sensor. I have two Canon camcorders with a single sensor, so I don't care much for 3-sensor setup. Also, the Sony's LCD has twice the resolution than the TM900 and four times than the TM700. Ring vs wheel is a toss-up, I would prefer a ring, but a wheel is not that bad. Sony's wheel is better than the Canon's on the HF-S.
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And why TM900 and not TM700? I fail to see any significant difference between them, unless 3.5 LCD size and buttons positions are very important to you.

Usually technology progresses. The TM750 /SDT750 received an updated stabilizer and the TM900 might get better picture quality. I know for sure even though the GH2 has more mega pixels, the low light capabilities are better than the GH1's. In the case of the TM900, the pixels didn't increase and Panasonic is able to do more to the low light capabilities of the TM900 than they did to the GH2. Last but not least, it might even have a better fan design or the technology progressed so much that there isn't a fan at all.
Panasonic might have an edge in the colors and a focusing ring around the lens but the Sony might have an edge if it doesn't have a fan and the Panasonic does and yes they might even have an edge on an easier to work with 24p mode (I have to read more about the 24p of both camcorders).
One extra benefit the CX700 might have over the CX550 is the blue dot issue being more controlled.
It's too early to compare the stabilizer and low light capabilities of the CX700 and the TM700.

Regardless, they both have 1080 60p and that to me is extremely important.

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I guess Panasonic want to maximize their profits to pay for those expensive R&D costs that went into designing the TM700.

In other words; same old crap as 2010. Crystal engine PRO is already part of the TM700. They've boosted the gain, and added a noise reduction to go with it. BIG DEAL.

And they can't even come up with a 900k pixels LCD screen ?
Still with a non-standard AVCHD 1080 60p format ?
And I bet they didn't even correct their "turquoise sky" bug either ?

2011 won't be a great year for new and innovative Panasonic consumer products.
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And they can't even come up with a 900k pixels LCD screen ?

They can, on the HPX300.
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Still with a non-standard AVCHD 1080 60p format ?

Um, have you noticed that the new Sonys also have this "non-standard" mode? 1080p60 is all the rage in 2011. Keep your fingers crossed for an updated BD spec.
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I'm sure they got some of there profit back with the release of the SDT750.
I wouldn't discount the TM900 yet before we see it in action and for sure I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turns out to be a bit better than the TM700. It's still too early.

I'm still wondering about what JVC will be showing and I'm very surprised that although Canon has a working 4K 60p camera, they didn't announce any consumer camcorders with 1080 60p.

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The 1080 60p mode of the Sony and Panasonic are the same bit rate so that could mean something.

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See all the new Panasonic camcorders (2011) detailed specs here:

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And I bet they didn't even correct their "turquoise sky" bug either ?
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I think bondi blue sky will present in Panasonic xx900 camcorders too.
This is a tradition and "color of the company"
This color will follow for Panasonic camcorders till mass user's protests.

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Maybe this is a stupid question, but..

Why doesn't panasonic release the SD-900 in the US. They did the same with the SD-700. I would like all of the features of the 700/900, but don't really care for internal memory. I'd rather not have to get a crippled version (600 or 800) so that I don't get the internal memory.
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I just got an SD600 and am within my 30 day return period from Amazon (although I will have to pay the 15% restocking fee). I wonder if it is worth returning it for the SD800. The main benefit would seem to be the larger LCD. The one on SD600 is fairly small. The problem is that the price of the SD800 probably won't be announced until the SD600s are all gone, and at $399 the price of the SD800 will likely be a few hundred dollars more.
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I just got an SD600 and am within my 30 day return period from Amazon (although I will have to pay the 15% restocking fee). I wonder if it is worth returning it for the SD800. The main benefit would seem to be the larger LCD. The one on SD600 is fairly small. The problem is that the price of the SD800 probably won't be announced until the SD600s are all gone, and at $399 the price of the SD800 will likely be a few hundred dollars more.

Without the focus ring, resolution of the screen and its size do not make real difference. Keep your SD600.
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