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http://www.camcorderinfo.com/News/Ca...500-models.htm

- WiFi functionality (HFM52/HFM50)
- 20% improvement in "light transmittance" with HD CMOS PRO sensor
- Canon Image Gateway: 2GB free storage; post to YouTube/Facebook
- Back up directly to external hard drive without a computer, adapter required (HFM52/HFM50)
- Five audio recording modes
- Improvements to the overall user interface
- One memory slot on all (no dual slots)
- No viewfinder on any of the three
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M500 without wi-fi and built-in memory makes the most sense. Mic input is a good thing. No word on 60p or native 24p though. Will 60p be introduced in a follower to the G10/XA10 ?
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Did it say "no viewfinder"? Deal breaker for me.
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I'm really glad I got my M41 in November when the $300 discount/instant rebate was being offered. IMHO, there is no reason for owners of last year's M-series to "upgrade". The size reduction touted by Canon is misleading because the battery now sticks out the back (rather than being flush with the body). They also eliminated the viewfinder (on the M41) and dual SD card slots. To me, this model is a step backwards. It remains to be seen whether the claimed 20% improvement in low-light sensitivity is really due to sensor improvements or rather more heavy noise reduction.

The lack of 1080/60p is disappointing, but I was somewhat expecting this would be the case. I suspect it could be a fundamental limitation with this sensor and/or imaging pipeline. That said, I would be very surprised if Canon doesn't add 1080/60p to next year's models.
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boo hiss. Canon get no 60p. Canon get no money!

(o:-=HoffY=-:o)
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Makes NO sense NO VIEWFINDER?
I am glad I got my M41 at $399 last Dec................JT
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I use the viewfinder all the time with my $599 Panasonic TM900 to film action like sporting events and for zooming. I consider it essential.
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I use the viewfinder all the time with my $599 Panasonic TM900 to film action like sporting events and for zooming. I consider it essential.

i am upset my sd-800 does not have one
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Does anyone know if the lens on the new models go wider than on the m4x models? I looked around a little, but could not find detailed specs.
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http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consum...Specifications

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http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consum...Specifications

The newer ones are slightly wider but it'll be hard to notice a difference.
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Thanks Paulo. That's too bad. I was hoping the new models would have a much wider lens. That is what held me back from getting an M4x model. I did not want to use a wide angle converter.
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The lack of 1080/60p is disappointing, but I was somewhat expecting this would be the case.

The 'Features' page for the new M52 clearly states that it has both 24p and 30p. The 'Specs' page doesn't state it but the record-bitrate goes all the way up to 24 Mbps which usually means 1080p.

Anyone find a review or video of the new/improved menu? My biggest complaint about the old M41 was the screen and menu controls.
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The 'Features' page for the new M52 clearly states that it has both 24p and 30p. The 'Specs' page doesn't state it but the record-bitrate goes all the way up to 24 Mbps which usually means 1080p.

Anyone find a review or video of the new/improved menu? My biggest complaint about the old M41 was the screen and menu controls.

Please read my post again - I didn't say anything about 24p or 30p.
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The newer HF M5... camcorders (and HF R3..) have new batteries:

The BP-718:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...ck_BP_718.html

and a larger BP-727:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...telligent.html

The BP-727 description states there are 4 LED indicators on the battery.
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The 'Features' page for the new M52 clearly states that it has both 24p and 30p.

Which is not 1080p60.
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The 'Specs' page doesn't state it but the record-bitrate goes all the way up to 24 Mbps which usually means 1080p.

Not directly related. Canon camcorders offer 24 Mbps for at least three years.
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