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I am choosing between these two camcorders; very tough decision but I am an amateur, wanting to use this camera for three things:

1) Music Videos
2) Ghost Hunting
3) Traveling - Capturing Scenery

My computer is: Apple Macbook Pro

The camcorders are:

-Canon HF M52

or

-Sony HDR-CX580V
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They seem to be equal, so either would be fine.

But I would rather use a DSLR for music videos.
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They seem to be equal, so either would be fine.

But I would rather use a DSLR for music videos.

Thank you, I just have one other question. I'm trying to save money whenever necessary, to buy a couple external accessories: lens light and microphone. I am leaning towards the Canon HF M52 however after looking at the HF M500, for $200 less - and I'll lose the internal memory and wifi capability...not even sure I'd use that anyways since I use chips. Is there a jurassic change going from the m52 to m500 canon?

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Is there a jurassic change going from the m52 to m500 canon?

Nope, both have 24P and 1/3 sensors. They will look close to each other.

Your own skill will be the jurassic change.
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Nope, both have 24P and 1/3 sensors. They will look close to each other.

Your own skill will be the jurassic change.

How about the HF-M500 vs the Canon EOS 60D, since you said DSLR's are pretty helpful in what I'm looking for.
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The DSLR are very powerful for what you pay for. I bought a 600D as part of my toolkit.

They give better filmlook compared to cheap consumer camcorders. They have some flaws with resolution, moire patters, lack of autofocus and 12 minutes clips. But can create really good result if you know their strengths and limits.

I would rather shoot musicvideos with a DSLR then the other two cameras you plan to buy.
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I get flack every time I say it, don't buy a DSLR for only doing video. Sure, you get a shallow DOF, but the moire sucks - even on the D800 and 5D MkIII. That said, if you are going to use them for stills, they still do video better than most cheap camcorders, so your investment may pay off. If I were only doing video, I would probably rather buy a Sony PMW-100 XDCAM w/ 50mbs.
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The DSLR are very powerful for what you pay for. I bought a 600D as part of my toolkit.

They give better filmlook compared to cheap consumer camcorders. They have some flaws with resolution, moire patters, lack of autofocus and 12 minutes clips. But can create really good result if you know their strengths and limits.

I would rather shoot musicvideos with a DSLR then the other two cameras you plan to buy.

If I go with the 60D, I see that the EOS 60D body can be purchased new for $869.99....would I only need to buy the "Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II Lens" and just attach it and I am good to go? Or are there other mandatory adapters and accessories needed to start shooting videos and pics - my limit is about $1000, give or take a few dollars.
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If I go with the 60D, I see that the EOS 60D body can be purchased new for $869.99....would I only need to buy the "Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II Lens" and just attach it and I am good to go? Or are there other mandatory adapters and accessories needed to start shooting videos and pics - my limit is about $1000, give or take a few dollars.

There's no point in using a DSLR for video if you use the kit 18-55 lens. The lenses you want to look at using are fast primes. Wides angles and telephotos work good for music videos. If you don't use a fast aperture, you don't get the shallow DOF, so you have wasted your time.
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There's no point in using a DSLR for video if you use the kit 18-55 lens. The lenses you want to look at using are fast primes. Wides angles and telephotos work good for music videos. If you don't use a fast aperture, you don't get the shallow DOF, so you have wasted your time.

The DOF doesnt get that bad by using zoom lenses compared to 1/3 and 1/2 camcorders.

But yes primes is the way to go.
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There's no point in using a DSLR for video if you use the kit 18-55 lens. The lenses you want to look at using are fast primes. Wides angles and telephotos work good for music videos. If you don't use a fast aperture, you don't get the shallow DOF, so you have wasted your time.

Hate to bother you all with these questions. I know nothing about cameras, I know a little about Camcorders from Skateboarding. So I may want to stay in my knowledge frame lol. I am thinking about just purchasing the Canon HF M500 with the Canon Wide-Converter WD-H43 High-Def Compatible 0.7x Wide-Conversion Lens.

Is this a good combo?
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I am thinking about just purchasing the Canon HF M500 with the Canon Wide-Converter WD-H43 High-Def Compatible 0.7x Wide-Conversion Lens.

Is this a good combo?

It all depends on what you want to do. There is no cheap supersolution out there.

The biggest flaw with that solution is you get the consumer depth of field look on all footage. Its not the end of the world, but Im not so sure thats the best solution for you, if we look at what you want to shoot.
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It all depends on what you want to do. There is no cheap supersolution out there.

The biggest flaw with that solution is you get the consumer depth of field look on all footage. Its not the end of the world, but Im not so sure thats the best solution for you, if we look at what you want to shoot.

If I choose to do that one above - HF M500 & Wide Converter Lens,
Do I need this adapter/filter to connect them? Or what...I just don't want to buy the camcorder and lens and not know how they connect.. is this the correct one? Or is there a better recommended one


http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10051_10051_182110_-1
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If I choose to do that one above - HF M500 & Wide Converter Lens,
Do I need this adapter/filter to connect them? Or what...I just don't want to buy the camcorder and lens and not know how they connect.. is this the correct one? Or is there a better recommended one

Camera = 43mm filter diamter

Wide angle lens = 43 mm

Should fit without anything else.
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Camera = 43mm filter diamter

Wide angle lens = 43 mm

Should fit without anything else.

What would the filters be for if the lens and camcorder connect together automatically without needing anything else?

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What would the filters be for if the lens and camcorder connect together automatically without needing anything else?

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The filter diameter is just what the camera can mount. So if the camera has 43mm filter diamter, it can mount a 43mm lens or a 43 mm filter.
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The filter diameter is just what the camera can mount. So if the camera has 43mm filter diamter, it can mount a 43mm lens or a 43 mm filter.

Oh.....so then filter can be used instead of a lens. I understand now.
U said it will still look and be unprofessional using the HF M500 and Wide-Angle Converter Lens no matter how well I use it since at the end of the day it is just an amateur consumer camcorder?
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Hate to bother you all with these questions. I know nothing about cameras, I know a little about Camcorders from Skateboarding. So I may want to stay in my knowledge frame lol. I am thinking about just purchasing the Canon HF M500 with the Canon Wide-Converter WD-H43 High-Def Compatible 0.7x Wide-Conversion Lens.

Is this a good combo?

should be ok as long as the wide converter does not impact picture quality or cause vignetting (black edges).
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should be ok as long as the wide converter does not impact picture quality or cause vignetting (black edges).

How am I able to add the wide converter lens, an external microphone and LED light onto the camera? Would they all fit together - or do I need different brackets or something?
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Oh.....so then filter can be used instead of a lens. I understand now.
U said it will still look and be unprofessional using the HF M500 and Wide-Angle Converter Lens no matter how well I use it since at the end of the day it is just an amateur consumer camcorder?

The camera is only one factor in the final equation, but the long depth of field does give it a somewhat consumer feel over the footage.

I will not say that it isnt possible shoot the worlds greatest movie with long depth of field. But if I were you I would have gone with a DSLR since it gives you a bit more creative freedom with short DOF and the ability to change lenses.

Its a really good tool for shooting music videos when you are on a budget. As for traveling and ghosthunting, the M500 may be a better solution.
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if you dont know anything about filming and cameras, dont get a dslr for video. stick with a camcorder, it will be just fine
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if you dont know anything about filming and cameras, dont get a dslr for video. stick with a camcorder, it will be just fine

What's known as the best wide angle lens manufacturer?
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How am I able to add the wide converter lens, an external microphone and LED light onto the camera? Would they all fit together - or do I need different brackets or something?

I would lean more towards a semi-pro camera if you want to do all that. The problem with consumer camcorders is they have moved away from standard shoe mounts to get you to buy some crappy OEM consumer mic, also it would be challenging to mount a shotgun AND a light. Pro cams have 2 XLR mic inputs, plus a shotgun mic holder, and a standard shoe mount for a light. Depending on the budget, look at the Sony NXR-NX70, NXR-NX5, PMW-100. If those are not an option, maybe look at some used pro models.

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What's known as the best wide angle lens manufacturer?

For video camera conversion lenses, look at Century Optics. http://www.schneideroptics.com/century/index.htm
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Go with the Canon. I've learned that Sonys have an issue with the imagine stabilisers, after a while they'll brake down and give you jumpy blurry video.
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Dude, get the Sony! Don't they still have infrared mode for Ghost Hunting????
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Ingore person12. Sony's IS is the best. They just screw up autofocus. Their IS is hands down the best in class.
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Ingore person12. Sony's IS is the best. They just screw up autofocus. Their IS is hands down the best in class.

No I have a Sony camera and the stabliser broke.
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Hi,
well between both Sony and Canon, i have heard Canon has better lens but Sony gives a more bright and vivid image.
If you can afford you could wait to the new canon XA20 model I am sure will be superb.
But are you serious about ghost hunting? I heard they don't appear in cameras... rs

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