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post #1 of 14 Old 08-29-2012, 04:19 PM - Thread Starter
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I can't really afford a 1080p $500-700 camera, I was hoping people could
tell me what some of the best 720p cameras were so I can get one
of those instead.

I only make about 200-100 a month off my videos.

Problem is where I live, the lighting is poor and the noise shows something awful in the videos.

I picked up a samsung st76 as it is f2.5 which is better than the kodak zi8 I used to have.

Ideas?

I have a canon g10 which I would consider selling if I could get a srl type camera
that does good 1080 video for 5-600.
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The Samsung HMX-W200 ($95.99) has a very good image and does well in low light:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HMX-W200-Waterproof-Recording-2-4-inch/dp/B004W81AI2/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t/177-6272818-5566051

You will have to put on a tripod/there is no stabilization.

There is also the newer version for a little more:
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HMX-W300RN-Rugged-Pocket-Camcorder/dp/B0072619RI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1346283313&sr=8-6&keywords=samsung+300+camcorder


When you say "YouTube videos" - if you're just talking to the camera while in one room, you can also buy a good webcam, instead.
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I was looking for something that won't have as much noise in the video as the samsung.
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Hi assemblerex - if all you need is 720p, the simplest upgrade path for you would be to sell your Powershot G10 and get a $380 G12. Flip out LCD, RAW stills with the CHDK hack. You already know how to use it as a still camera, and you won't have much of a learning curve.

Here are a few video examples from the Canon G12 group on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/groups/67458

If you want full 1080/24p for a little less money, you can get the $363 Canon SX40. Again, flip out LCD and RAW stills with the CHDK hack.

Here are examples from the SX40 group: https://vimeo.com/groups/sx40hs

I don't know whether it's important to you, but neither of these cameras have an external mic input. For that, you would have to change brands to Panasonic or get a camcorder.

The Panasonic point and shoot "bridge" camera in this price range looks a lot like the Canon SX40, but it has an external mic jack, shoots RAW stills without a hack, has unlimited video clip recording time and shoots 1080/60p instead of 24p. The faster frame rate makes action less "jerky" and also allows you to create smoother slow motion. The camera is the $450 Panasonic FZ150. It costs a little more, but I have one of these cameras and I love it.

Here are some examples: https://vimeo.com/search?q=%22Panasonic+FZ150%22

Hope this is helpful,

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Hi assemblerex - if all you need is 720p, the simplest upgrade path for you would be to sell your Powershot G10 and get a $380 G12. Flip out LCD, RAW stills with the CHDK hack. You already know how to use it as a still camera, and you won't have much of a learning curve.
Here are a few video examples from the Canon G12 group on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/groups/67458
If you want full 1080/24p for a little less money, you can get the $363 Canon SX40. Again, flip out LCD and RAW stills with the CHDK hack.
Here are examples from the SX40 group: https://vimeo.com/groups/sx40hs
I don't know whether it's important to you, but neither of these cameras have an external mic input. For that, you would have to change brands to Panasonic or get a camcorder.
The Panasonic point and shoot "bridge" camera in this price range looks a lot like the Canon SX40, but it has an external mic jack, shoots RAW stills without a hack, has unlimited video clip recording time and shoots 1080/60p instead of 24p. The faster frame rate makes action less "jerky" and also allows you to create smoother slow motion. The camera is the $450 Panasonic FZ150. It costs a little more, but I have one of these cameras and I love it.
Here are some examples: https://vimeo.com/search?q=%22Panasonic+FZ150%22
Hope this is helpful,
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Thank you so much for your time. Your answer is just what I needed.

I think I will sell me G10 (I might get 200 or more as I have the box and lenses)
and buy a T3i as they are clearance now... It's a lot of money for me atm, I will see if I can get
a panasonic g1 with the hacks used or the canon...
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Thank you so much for your time. Your answer is just what I needed.
I think I will sell me G10 (I might get 200 or more as I have the box and lenses)
and buy a T3i as they are clearance now... It's a lot of money for me atm, I will see if I can get
a panasonic g1 with the hacks used or the canon...

Glad I could help. Don't know if it matters to you, but you should know that the T3i has a 12 minute continuous video clip length limit -- and its autofocus and viewfinder stop working in video mode.

And did you mean a used Panasonic G2? The G2 is video capable, shoots essentially unlimited continuous video and is hackable, while the older Panasonic G1 doesn't shoot video.

Again, good luck with your decision!

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Glad I could help. Don't know if it matters to you, but you should know that the T3i has a 12 minute continuous video clip length limit -- and its autofocus and viewfinder stop working in video mode.
And did you mean a used Panasonic G2? The G2 is video capable, shoots essentially unlimited continuous video and is hackable, while the older Panasonic G1 doesn't shoot video.
Again, good luck with your decision!
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I was thinking a hacked lumix GH1 or GH2
I am hoping I could find something used somewhere.

It would have to be hacked which makes it hard to find on ebay...
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There is no such thing as camcorder for YouTube. If anything, you want one with progressive recording, because deinterlacing takes time and must be done correctly.

I shot this with the Canon A1200 digital camera, paid $80 for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-veyvbPc_U
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I was thinking a hacked lumix GH1 or GH2
I am hoping I could find something used somewhere.
It would have to be hacked which makes it hard to find on ebay...

Hacking (and unhacking) GH cameras is not hard. I suggest you just buy one used and hack it yourself. I have both cameras (GH1 and GH2), and they produce terrific video.

Here are a couple of pretty easy to follow video guides:

HOW TO HACK THE PANASONIC GH1 (Unhackable Versions): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zoaAVZFwpI

GH1 - How to Hack (GH13, GH17) - Part 1: https://vimeo.com/25743000

GH1 - How to Hack (GH13, GH17) - Part 2: https://vimeo.com/25755740

You can get a used GH1 body from Amazon for less than $400.

Again, hope this is helpful,

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Hacking (and unhacking) GH cameras is not hard. I suggest you just buy one used and hack it yourself. I have both cameras (GH1 and GH2), and they produce terrific video.
Here are a couple of pretty easy to follow video guides:
HOW TO HACK THE PANASONIC GH1 (Unhackable Versions): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zoaAVZFwpI
GH1 - How to Hack (GH13, GH17) - Part 1: https://vimeo.com/25743000
GH1 - How to Hack (GH13, GH17) - Part 2: https://vimeo.com/25755740
You can get a used GH1 body from Amazon for less than $400.
Again, hope this is helpful,
Bill
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Thank you again for all your help! You have made a difference.
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Hacking (and unhacking) GH cameras is not hard. I suggest you just buy one used and hack it yourself. I have both cameras (GH1 and GH2), and they produce terrific video.

The G3 hack looks pretty good, too..going new for $499 with 14-42mm lens...

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Four-Thirds-Interchangeable-Free-Angle-Touch-Screen/dp/B005058BTW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346533789&sr=8-1&keywords=Panasonic+G3

EDIT: I see there are videos on YouTube..not sure if there is a Vitaliy G3 hack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpZ8tXeDfN8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKbaII0IqDU
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The G3 hack looks pretty good, too..going new for $499 with 14-42mm lens...
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Four-Thirds-Interchangeable-Free-Angle-Touch-Screen/dp/B005058BTW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346533789&sr=8-1&keywords=Panasonic+G3
EDIT: I see there are videos on YouTube..not sure if there is a Vitaliy G3 hack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpZ8tXeDfN8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKbaII0IqDU

xfws - yes, the G3 is hackable (see this thread), but it still has no manual control in video mode and no mic input. These omissions disqualify it as a serious video camera, in my view.

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xfws - yes, the G3 is hackable (see this thread), but it still has no manual control in video mode and no mic input. These omissions disqualify it as a serious video camera, in my view.
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Bill you know of any lumix forums with a marketplace where I could pick up a gh1 or gh2?
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Here is the buy and sell forum at mu-43.com: http://www.mu-43.com/f17/

And here is the buy and sell forum at dvxuser: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?17-For-Sale-or-Want-to-Buy

The used Panasonic page at Adorama will sometimes have deals: http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=itemlist&cat1=Used&cat2=Panasonic%20Digital&cat3=Cameras?kbid=66297

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