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Sorry to ask another question.

At the moment, but only for a few hours, these two can be had for the same price pretty much.

What would you go for and why?

I know the spec differences, but I am wanting the best image quality and potential to be creative.

I will make a decision soon! I promise!
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Anyone? I note it might be the x800 isn't available in the US? If that's the case, basically it's a X900 without the focus ring, shoe adapter and mic and headphone input. Everything else the same, I think.
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Basically similar to previous model SD800 (NTSC/US); 3MOS sensors will have better color rendition/much better image quality than the single sensor on the V700. The 800 will have an image similar to the X900M, but without the extensive manual controls.

The only potential downside is potential motorized fan noise on the audio with the 900/800 that is not on the V700/doesn't have a fan.

Since I am not 100% certain on that fan issue, someone would have to chime in here if this is actually an issue on the X800/SD800. Or you can do a search on that particular model.

FWIU, it was more of an issue on 2011's TM900 than any other model.
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Hi Superdon - I thought the X800 was the X900 without a viewfinder, headphone and mic jacks? Pretty sure it has the manual control ring. Here is a side-by-side of the V700, X800 and X900 from Slashcam: http://camcorder-test.slashcam.com/compare-bc18c43e99292ae56498ba7a24453e3a.html

From the sample images, it looks like the X800 is better than the V700 in low light. I would miss the mic jack though.

Did you see that there is a £50 cashback voucher on all Panasonic cameras and lenses purchased before 31st December?

Cheers - hope this is helpful in making your decision!

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Pretty sure it has the manual control ring.

Just did a search...X800 doesn't have the lens ring...
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In a nutshell, all the enthusiast features are missing from the X800 compared to the X900. The most telling omission is the lens ring, which gives the X900 such great control over focus, shutter and iris.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/panasonic-hc-x800_Camcorder_review


http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/Camcorders/Expert+HD+Camcorders/HC-X800/Specification/8535678/index.html;jsessionid=0a6d28e930d8aa66893cdbd3422fb00d9d9fee735609.e38Pa3mLbx4Oci0Lb38QahyObxeSe6fznA5Pp7ftolbGmkTy?trackInfo=true
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Some websites say it has the control ring, other say it doesn't. I don't think it does though.

The other thing is it has a less powerful zoom.

It's really hard to decide. Is the improved picture over the V700 very noticeable? So much that it makes up for the loss of the mic input and smaller zoom?
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Hi Superdon - I thought the X800 was the X900 without a viewfinder, headphone and mic jacks? Pretty sure it has the manual control ring. Here is a side-by-side of the V700, X800 and X900 from Slashcam: http://camcorder-test.slashcam.com/compare-bc18c43e99292ae56498ba7a24453e3a.html
From the sample images, it looks like the X800 is better than the V700 in low light. I would miss the mic jack though.
Did you see that there is a £50 cashback voucher on all Panasonic cameras and lenses purchased before 31st December?
Cheers - hope this is helpful in making your decision!
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Thanks Bill. Yep, aware of the cashback.

Basically, using cashback offers to the max, I can get the V700 for around £315 or the X800 for around £350. I just wish the X800 was the same as the v700, but with better imaging. That would make the decision more straightforward!
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Some websites say it has the control ring, other say it doesn't. I don't think it does though.
The other thing is it has a less powerful zoom.
It's really hard to decide. Is the improved picture over the V700 very noticeable? So much that it makes up for the loss of the mic input and smaller zoom?


It depends what you're going to be using the camcorder for...
If you need extra zoom, you could always walk a little closer to your subject. Do you anticipate you will frequently be using an external microphone?

Although the 3MOS sensors will give you a better image...if your end destination is mostly YouTube, it's probably not going to make a lot of difference versus viewing it on an HDTV. You can't really make a wrong choice, as they are both decent.

Panasonic X900/X900M/X800:

The manual ring gives you easy, fingertip control over the focus, zoom and exposure settings. You'll find using the ring a much more intuitive, comfortable, user-friendly process than accessing a menu screen. With the manual ring and manual operation, the X900/X900M is a pleasure to use and gives you the freedom to craft unusually expressive images
*HC-X900/X900M only.

http://panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/hd/x900_series/feature2.html#f2_04
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The extra zoom might be handy, but only now and again I guess. As for the mic, again now and again it will be useful.

I am trying to get myself back into this as a hobby. I don't want to end up in a few months time wishing I had the option of an external mic and need to upgrade' as money is tight. I may even look to start doing some paid projects in the future (used to work as an editor/cam operator, but am long out of the loop).

The videos won't be for online viewing and so max image quality is one of my main requirements. But, if its barely noticeable difference......?

In an ideal world, I would go for the X900, but I just can't stretch my budget.
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The extra zoom might be handy, but only now and again I guess. As for the mic, again now and again it will be useful.
I am trying to get myself back into this as a hobby. I don't want to end up in a few months time wishing I had the option of an external mic and need to upgrade' as money is tight. I may even look to start doing some paid projects in the future (used to work as an editor/cam operator, but am long out of the loop).
The videos won't be for online viewing and so max image quality is one of my main requirements. But, if its barely noticeable difference......?
In an ideal world, I would go for the X900, but I just can't stretch my budget.

To clarify, the X800 will definitely have a better image. I didn't know what you were going to use it for. Something more serious, the X800 is going to look more professional.

Regarding the mic input; if you eventually need better audio than the X800 internal microphones, you can get a separate audio recorder, like a Zoom H1 or one of the cheaper Tascam models. These are battery-operated wireless recorders. Many of them, like the Zoom H1, are affordable.

..along with decent video editing software, like Sony Vegas Platinum and learn how to sync the audio in post. It's not difficult, you just have to get used to it/YouTube and the web have tutorials. You line up the separate camcorder and external audio tracks in the editor and then mute the camcorder audio...render the better external audio with the final video output. When you're first filming a take, you can create sync points like clapping your hands onscreen as to make it easier to line up the tracks later.

You can mount the recorder and camcorder on a light bracket and easily hold them together..many of the brackets have a 1/4" input so you can place it all on a tripod.

These seem like like an extra expense, but you don't have to buy everything at once; but at least you know there is an option to upgrade the audio.

Professional movies don't shoot audio into the camera, it's always done separately. Many professional videographers also capture audio separately as the audio recorder is wireless and can be placed anywhere; on a bracket, on a stand, on the other side of the room, etc.

This way you can get the X800 with the better quality video and upgrade your audio later, if need be.

Zoom H1
http://www.amazon.co.uk/H1-PORTABLE-DIGITAL-RECORDER-DICTAPHONE/dp/B003Y6S2WU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354664950&sr=8-1

Shoe bracket
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vibesta-L-Shaped-Bracket-Metal-Camcorder/dp/B0092OJJIO/ref=sr_1_60?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1354665059&sr=1-60

Vegas Platinum 11
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-Vegas-Movie-Studio-Platinum/dp/B0051M6I9O/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1354665105&sr=8-4

...or Vegas Platinum 12
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-Vegas-Movie-Studio-HD/dp/B008RVQMOW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354665105&sr=8-1



how to sync audio with video
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+sync+audio+with+video&oq=how+to+sync+a&gs_l=youtube.1.4.0l10.978.21602.0.25987.55.33.17.5.5.2.161.2460.28j5.33.0...0.0...1ac.1.S138hatMG2E
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Cheers for that xfws, really helpful. I didn't think about the option for a separate audio recorder. I guess that option is potentially even more flexible and better quality than a mic hooked up to the mic input on the V700.

I actually went to order the X800 and it had gone out of stock with the special offers I talked about. So, the price gap now Is a bit bigger between the V700 and X800.

Basically, after all the offers are added in, the prices are as follows....

V700 - £317 (gbp) or approx $510 (usd)
X800 - £394 (gbp) or approx $634 (usd)
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Cheers for that xfws, really helpful. I didn't think about the option for a separate audio recorder. I guess that option is potentially even more flexible and better quality than a mic hooked up to the mic input on the V700.
I actually went to order the X800 and it had gone out of stock with the special offers I talked about. So, the price gap now Is a bit bigger between the V700 and X800.
Basically, after all the offers are added in, the prices are as follows....
V700 - £317 (gbp) or approx $510 (usd)
X800 - £394 (gbp) or approx $634 (usd)

Superdon - if money is really tight, have you considered buying used? You can get a used V700 from Amazon for £305.

On the other hand, if you can stretch your budget about £100 from the X800 price you quoted, you can get a used X900 for £499.99 smile.gif

For what it's worth, here is how I attach an external recorder to the old TM900:



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Superdon - if money is really tight, have you considered buying used? You can get a used V700 from Amazon for £305.
On the other hand, if you can stretch your budget about £100 from the X800 price you quoted, you can get a used X900 for £499.99 smile.gif
For what it's worth, here is how I attach an external recorder to the old TM900:

Cheers,
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Thanks Bill. Yes, have considered used. I dont have a problem with used stuff generally, but like to know where I am buying from really.

The other issue is, I wouldnt get the £50 cashback from Panasonic. So, with the £305 used V700 you mention, I wouldnt get the £50 back. But, if I bought the new one at £367 I would. So, only £12 difference.

Thanks for the suggestion though and let me know if you are aware of anyone selling one of these cams smile.gif

I have spent a few hours looking at various videos today and I can see the difference with the X800/X900. I thought the V700 looked good, but the detail on the X cameras looks amazing.

I have just ordered an X800. This is at a half decent price (not as good as I could have got yesterday!). My plan is to keep looking for new deals on the V700, X800 and X900 and even the FZ200. If an amazing deal turns up, I will buy again and just send the one I ordered today back for a refund.

So.....I am still on the look out for a deal smile.gif
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