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post #181 of 225 Old 08-29-2013, 06:46 AM
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Yes i am talking about looking at the results of footage direct to my 50" 1920x180P tv,watching footage to compare results of Mbps after PC software has had a say would be fruitless.But to say 24Mbps has more noise and artifacts than 28Mbps is simply not the case,on my HF-G30 and any i doubt.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s1y8bod0PU

https://vimeo.com/74050560


You tube and Vimeo versions of the same film,which is a third generation copy.the origional 14 minute film from avchd was rendered to just over a 12m File and then shortened again to this 5m 40s version so the quality is not highest but pleased with the content.Although even with 1152mm it cant come near stuff like the Beebs returning wildlife,thats where having gear costing more than a realy good car helps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go1yow-S0x8 origional file , a bit boring length.
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Here is a bit of footage shot on a G30 a sunny then cloudy day in England
in mp4 at 35mps on auto mode with stabiliser on with a fluid tripod
http://youtu.be/NdbuZWZJOgs
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Here is a bit of footage shot on a G30 a sunny then cloudy day in England
in mp4 at 35mps on auto mode with stabiliser on with a fluid tripod
http://youtu.be/NdbuZWZJOgs

Some interesting shots,Do you like Mpeg4,i have tried it and 50P but find no gain in performance,24Mbps is easier to edit for me and gives more footage on cards,i do keep in manual mode as my favorite outdoor wb is sunlight.
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...flintyplus. In the comparison test You showed us 20th july: At 2.15 min where GF30 24Mbps50i is compared to 28Mbps50p on the right side of the sheet I clearly see bad aliasing between the lines in 24Mbps which totally are absent in 28Mbps.
I shoot a lot of Classic cars with lots of chrome lines and the jaggies with 50i are very disturbing. When I shoot in 50p28Mbps there is no aliasing. When shooting wildlife as I also do. I might use 50i but with PowerDirector 11 the editing is as simple with 50p28Mbps. The problem is that I cannot burn blurays in 50p yet.
I spent 6 hours yesterday comparing clips in my home theater on the 240 cm screen. I moved the HDD from the Oppos ext hdd-chassi to a Dune smart HD1 mediaplayer and HDMI to JVC X30 projector.
Clips with those Classic cars shot in 50p28Mbps look awesome . No artifacts. The clips in 50i24 Mbps still show lot of bad aliasing in spite of the Dune trying to deinterlace them.
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.....Yes, I could use 1080/25p24Mbps but the motion artifacts produced in this mode is no option for me..
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...flintyplus. In the comparison test You showed us 20th july: At 2.15 min where GF30 24Mbps50i is compared to 28Mbps50p on the right side of the sheet I clearly see bad aliasing between the lines in 24Mbps which totally are absent in 28Mbps.
I shoot a lot of Classic cars with lots of chrome lines and the jaggies with 50i are very disturbing. When I shoot in 50p28Mbps there is no aliasing. When shooting wildlife as I also do. I might use 50i but with PowerDirector 11 the editing is as simple with 50p28Mbps. The problem is that I cannot burn blurays in 50p yet.
I spent 6 hours yesterday comparing clips in my home theater on the 240 cm screen. I moved the HDD from the Oppos ext hdd-chassi to a Dune smart HD1 mediaplayer and HDMI to JVC X30 projector.
Clips with those Classic cars shot in 50p28Mbps look awesome . No artifacts. The clips in 50i24 Mbps still show lot of bad aliasing in spite of the Dune trying to deinterlace them.
I have checked At 2.15min in the test it was 28Mbps i assure you putting 24Mbps and 28 &35Mgbits on blu ray or watching footage direct from my camcorder it is IDENTICAL,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ0-xs6y1a0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0_2kmAXbTY
Films like those 24Mbps look great on Tv compared to youtube
I film in PF25.00
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..Yes. If people knew how good films are made with this camera they would buy it. , hehe. One day maybe Youtube and Vimeo will be better.
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sorry for the stupid question. looking into getting the hf g30 versus waiting for Sony's new CX900. I know the CX900 is not out yet but given specs and reputation, any words of advice? Mainly for home movies. Kids stuff


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Depending on how "urgent" it is, I would suggest waiting a few months to see what they Canon come out with this year.

The lower end camcorders use the same sensors and processors I believe, but with fewer bells and whistles and a cheaper lens. If you just want to use it for home movies and such, those might be a more cost effective option.
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For home movies "kids stuff", have you considered the Panasonic X920? The Canon G30 is twice as large, twice as heavy, twice as expensive, and takes a lot longer to turn on than the X920. Image quality is similar in both bright and low light. The main advantages of the G30 are a longer zoom range, and better EVF, neither of which are that useful for home movies of kids. The CX900 will also be twice as large and heavy and expensive as the X920. The CX900 isn't shipping yet, but it will likely have similar bright light image quality and superior low light image quality (larger sensor, better codec) than either the G30 or X920.
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Thanks guys. Have not looked at the X920 but will. I like the idea of a longer zoom with the kids sports activities/tournaments so I'll see what I really need. If the Sony should have a similar image to the G30 in bright light but better low light I may wait to see what it has to offer. We film my grandfathers birthday/family reunion every year and it happens to be 1 week after the Sony is to be released so even if released on time we'd go into it blindly which isn't a great idea. My limited research notes that Canon did not announce a replacement for the G30 at CES but do they typically replace models yearly? Since the G30 came out in about 6/13 can we expect a G40 in 6/14? I'll stop muddying the waters of this thread now.
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The G30 gives better color out of the camera than the 920, and the 920 is a little sharper. The G30 also provides full manual controls as well. If you want a simpler camera, then the Canon 500/50/52 models have a similar image and are a lot cheaper than either the G30 or 920. In Canada the MRRP for the 50 is $400, and the 52 is $450. I am not sure what the price for the 500 is, but probably is less than that.

Canon updates their consumer video cameras on average once a year, but there have been longer intervals. The G30 was released a few months after the G20, so the release interval was much, much shorter in that instance. I think it is likely that Canon will release high end consumer equivalents of the new 4K and 2K Sony cameras sometime this year however, but you can never be sure.

If you were thinking of the G30, personally I would wait since it is quite expensive and I have little doubt that much better cameras will be on the market at that price point sometime this year. If you want something now, and have modest requirements for using it, then the Vixia HF 500/50/52 range might do, or the Panasonic 920 (which is a four or five hundred dollars more expensive).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZYZ0HdMhOw

I upgraded from Windows 7 to 8.1 on one of my pc:s and found out that YoyTube has better quality. Much less stutter with my 1080/50p files. It seems that Adobe FlashPlayer is no longer used. I like to shoot macro with the 20X zoom and 60 cm distance which gives a "shallow depth of field"..
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Picked up my HF G30 about a month ago. So far I've only "taped" two events; my daughter's spring chorus concert and a dance dress rehearsal. All I can say is "Wow!".

It has much better low-light capability than my Canon HV20. During both events I used the camera's Wi-Fi feature to control and monitor the recording from my Nexus (7") tablet. (My Droid 4 phone was too small to use.) I set my camera up on a tripod, and could record and not be in the way of other guests.

I forgot to bring my still camera to the concert, and took a couple after the event with the G30. In the low-light condition I found the stills to be almost unusable. (I never planned to use this camera for stills, so that doesn't bother me.)

I had to pick up Sony Vegas (demo, for now), as my usual software, Roxio Creator NXT, chokes and pukes on the MTS files. (I'm recording in 28 Mbps AVCHD because I have the 5.1 microphone attached. I found out that the shotgun mike I purchased for the HV20 won't fit the HF G30. I ordered one that would.)

I also shot some daytime video at a recent golf outing, although I have yet to review the footage.

I'll clearly have to get a book on how to use this camera, as it has a ton of settings. I'm really happy with my purchase.
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I got the 4K UHD TV Panasonic AX800 and I am really surprised how all my videos from Canon HF G30 suddenly got much higher quality and resolution. Many of the shots are on par with the 4K videos I downloaded from Vimeo. It is so frustrating that my YouTube channel can not demonstrate this.
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I got the 4K UHD TV Panasonic AX800 and I am really surprised how all my videos from Canon HF G30 suddenly got much higher quality and resolution.

I totally get that. I edited a video with Roxio - just a 30-second clip of my HV20 vs. the HF G30. Even though I couldn't get the full bandwidth of the camera out of the editing software everyone can see the difference. I also copied a MTS file straight from the camera to a USB drive and my Popcorn Hour couldn't play it without stuttering. (It wouldn't play a DVD of the clip, nor play if after I copied it to the server. I didn't have a convenient HDMI port on the TV.)
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I got the 4K UHD TV Panasonic AX800 and I am really surprised how all my videos from Canon HF G30 suddenly got much higher quality and resolution. Many of the shots are on par with the 4K videos I downloaded from Vimeo. It is so frustrating that my YouTube channel can not demonstrate this.
Good upscaling does wonders to regular DVDs as well.
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I know that the HF G30 is not a "hot" item any longer but I am considering one.

Can someone help me choose between the G30, G20, and Sony HDR-PJ810?

I am wondering specifically about image quality and low-light (not total darkness) performance. I am torn mostly between the Sony and the G30 but will not rule out the G20, especially since the G30 is $300-$400 more than the others. I'm not nearly as concerned with ergonomics as image quality.

I record both family outings and on-stage performances, sometimes shooting stage lighting from 100 feet back in the audience. I don't require still pictures because I have a very good point and shoot, but I'd like better video than it gives.

Because of my choice of vendor, these are my only choices...please don't recommend a Panasonic or a DSLR!

But advice is appreciated!
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If your choices are between Sony and Canon only, there are more modern choices available in the Sony models. The Sony equivalent to the G30 is the CX900, they are roughly the same price and have a very similar form factor. Personally I prefer the Canon ergonomic over the Sony version, but the difference is not massive and tastes vary. Both are HD cameras, but the Sony has considerably better image quality and capability. For about $500 more you can get the big brother, namely the Sony AX100.


Canon did not release a real update for their cameras this year. They did release semi-professional variants of the G30, but all the inside parts (sensor, lens, processor, etc) are exactly the same.


If you are in the market for something like a new G30, I would recommend the CX900 instead (and I own a G30, so this is not fanboy talk).

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If your choices are between Sony and Canon only, there are more modern choices available in the Sony models. The Sony equivalent to the G30 is the CX900, they are roughly the same price and have a very similar form factor. Personally I prefer the Canon ergonomic over the Sony version, but the difference is not massive and tastes vary. Both are HD cameras, but the Sony has considerably better image quality and capability. For about $500 more you can get the big brother, namely the Sony AX100.


Canon did not release a real update for their cameras this year. They did release semi-professional variants of the G30, but all the inside parts (sensor, lens, processor, etc) are exactly the same.


If you are in the market for something like a new G30, I would recommend the CX900 instead (and I own a G30, so this is not fanboy talk).
Thanks for your informative reply. What prevents me from considering the CX900 is that I am trying to buy from Dell, where I have the credit to spare, and the PJ810 is the top Sony they currently list for sale. They don't show the 900.

I know it is unfortunate that I must restrict myself like this, but I must...
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Thanks for your informative reply. What prevents me from considering the CX900 is that I am trying to buy from Dell, where I have the credit to spare, and the PJ810 is the top Sony they currently list for sale. They don't show the 900.

I know it is unfortunate that I must restrict myself like this, but I must...
In case anyone is still out there, my HF G30 will be here Tuesday and am looking forward to comparing the images to those of my Sony point and shoot.
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USB connection problems

Hi has anyone come across this problem when trying to use the Camera window software with the canon hf g30? "cannot detect camera. check connection to camera then retry"
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Hi has anyone come across this problem when trying to use the Camera window software with the canon hf g30? "cannot detect camera. check connection to camera then retry"
Try a different USB port...
If port you are using is in front on computer, then try back USB port.
...or vice-versa.
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Hi has anyone come across this problem when trying to use the Camera window software with the canon hf g30? "cannot detect camera. check connection to camera then retry"

Make sure the camera is in AVCHD shooting mode before hooking it up to the computer to download files. The camera is quirky that way.
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Make sure the camera is in AVCHD shooting mode before hooking it up to the computer to download files. The camera is quirky that way.
thanks I tried that and it worked! surprisingly fast too!
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Couple of questions regarding the G30:

Will the Canon 10EG bag hold the camcorder plus a large point and shoot camera plus chargers or do I need the 1EG?

If you were buying editing software specifically with AVCHD and this camcorder in mind, what would you buy? I'm currently using an older version of Cyber Link that was bundled with my blu-ray burner.

Thanks!
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I have a Creative Cloud subscription, so have access to Premiere Pro, which works fine. I think most of the current consumer packages should work without problems, but check to make sure that they can handle HD at 60p first though. I would suggest recording at 35 mbps in .mp4 format instead of AVCHD (which is limited to 28 mbps) for the added latitude in editing. Both formats are encoded with H.264, and I think they are essentially the same.
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I used Roxio VideoWave (Creator NXT Pro 2) for my HF 20. I tried using it with the files from my HF G30 (28 Mbps AVCHD), and while it CAN work with them, the trim tool stutters during playback. Lastly, this software knows nothing of Dolby Digital, so it downmixes all my 5.1 audio to 2.0.


I downloaded a trial of Sony Vegas. It can handle the files just fine; I just haven't gotten up to speed with the new user interface yet.
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