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And here's a video:

https://vimeo.com/63543502

While visiting Union and Washington Squares in NYC one morning I encountered two people who had brought pianos to the squares and who were each giving an impromptu performance. Luckily I had my camera/camcorder in my pocket, and made use of its 560mm lens to get in close without being in close. The video begins with some eye candy, reflecting the newly emerging spring. And, of course, there is the inevitable juggler, and NYC wind.

This is the camera/camcorder you can remote view and control over WiFi on your smartphone or tablet. But that feature was not used for this video - all handheld, even at 560mm (great stabilization from the new system).

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Select 1080p. Original shot in 108060p, downloadable from Vimeo.
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I have the Panasonic ZS20/TZ30 that has the same 20x optical zoom and 1080p60 28mb/s mode but no Wi-Fi. It was the smallest camera with 1080p60 and 20x 24-480mm (28-560mm in video mode ) eqiv optical zoom at the time.






Panasonic DMC-ZS20 vs Sony DSC-HX30V top view
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Low-light Comparison Video: FZ200, LX7 and the ZS30



Choose 1080p.

All shot wide open, auto WB (only the ZS30 got it right). The still photos indicate that the FZ200 and the ZS30 were shooting at approximately ISO400 and the LX7 at ISO100.
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This is the camera/camcorder you can remote view and control over WiFi on your smartphone or tablet

i was looking at the panasonic ts5 to use the remote shooting for framing shots but was disappointed to find out that you couldnt shoot 1080 60p when using wifi. can you do this with the zs30?
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i was looking at the panasonic ts5 to use the remote shooting for framing shots but was disappointed to find out that you couldnt shoot 1080 60p when using wifi. can you do this with the zs30?

Right, the same. The video I shot was 108030p MP4 at 20Mbps. It looks excellent, a good as 108060p at 28Mbps. You can also shoot 72060p, but the 108030p looks much better:

Select 1080p.
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Right, the same. The video I shot was 108030p MP4 at 20Mbps. It looks excellent, a good as 108060p at 28Mbps.
Does it use CABAC ? ;-)
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You can also shoot 72060p, but the 108030p looks much better.
I thought you did not like slow "film-like" rates.

But I agree, the video quality is pretty good. Does the camera allow locking exposure and focus in video mode?
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Right, the same. The video I shot was 108030p MP4 at 20Mbps. It looks excellent, a good as 108060p at 28Mbps. You can also shoot 72060p, but the 108030p looks much better

oh thats great about the 720 60p. do you know how the wifi impacts the battery life? im surprised on my sony action cam how much battery life i get with the remote streaming playing
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Does it use CABAC ? ;-)
I thought you did not like slow "film-like" rates.

But I agree, the video quality is pretty good. Does the camera allow locking exposure and focus in video mode?

I'm flexible (and at least it is not 24fps!). You can lock focus, but not exposure
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oh thats great about the 720 60p. do you know how the wifi impacts the battery life? im surprised on my sony action cam how much battery life i get with the remote streaming playing

I have not done a proper test. There is GPS also, which uses the battery, but can be turned off. I thought of the TS5(FT5) - a camera you could leave outside and use remote viewing. Pretty neat, and similar specs to the ZS30 (no long zoom, of course).
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It looks like a 30x compact superzoom coming from Sony.
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As posted last week on SAR there will be a Sony announcement within the next few days. But we can be 99% sure that the only camera we will see is the new DSC-HX50V Cybershot. No new Alpha and no new NEX camera yet. There may be a second announcement in may bringing some NEX news. But that is ranked as “SR2″ only for now. The Sony Vietnam website already leaked the HX50 image at http://zoom.sony.com.vn/

These are the Cybershots specs I already posted last week:

20 Megapixel cmos
30 X Optical Zoom
FullHD Movie-50p
MI Shoe & EV Dial
WIFI
Optical Steady Shot (New)
GPS
Lens with ED Glass & ER Glass
Shutter and Iris Diaphragm
New Algorithm Optimised Stabilisation 2X bigger effect for the Steady
Shot
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-sony-announcement-next-week-dsc-hx50v-leaked/

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ZS30 (TZ40) Video: Strollers, riders, jugglers, grillers, and spinners in a NYC Park

Video is about motion, and there is usually plenty of it even in a park:

https://vimeo.com/64446160

The ZS30 is a great pocketable video camera. This was shot using 108060p AVCHD. You can download the original to see how smooth the motion is (Vimeo reduces the frame rate to 30 fps from 60 fps of the original).

Youtube version:

Choose 1080p.
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ZS30 Video: UCLA Botanical Garden, Sights and Sounds


https://vimeo.com/64781375

The sounds and the flora, and some non-plant visitors and inhabitants, of the UCLA Botanical Garden. More like a forest.
The sound is key to this video.

Check out the bokeh as well.

Here is the Youtube version:



Select 1080p
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Mark,

When do you choose YouTube over Vimeo and vice versa? It seems random, but there must be reasons. Since I gave $60 to Vimeo, I am using it almost exclusively, especially for family stuff.

YouTube has added a stabilizer effect that worked well when I experimented with it. Vimeo has added some effects but none appeal to me. The Vimeo music store is outstanding for replacing windy, outdoor tourist junk audio with reasonable audio track.

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I prefer Vimeo:

1. The user does not have to select the resolution, so I can be assured they are getting a high-quality stream. With Youtube the default is low resolution unless the viewer does something.

2. People can download the original. Since my originals are always the highest quality (I am talking compression, not art), I want people to view the original.

The only reason I also use Youtube is I have "subscribers." Don't want to disappoint the fan base. smile.gif
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....The only reason I also use Youtube is I have "subscribers." Don't want to disappoint the fan base. smile.gif
I am already a fan. I will soon be a subscriber! ;-)

On edit: YouTube put you next to Graham Houghton on my subscribed list!

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Feeding Grackles Video: Black birds but colorful backgrounds, and a friend.

Exploits the long zoom of the ZS30 and fixed focus (autofocus likes backgrounds).



Select 1080p.
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Video comparison of Vivid and Standard color modes

Pairs of scenes shot in Standard and Vivid color modes. The ordering is not always the same. Panasonic indicates that Vivid mode produces more saturated colors and higher sharpness. Sometimes the difference is subtle sometimes not in these variety of scenes with many colors in bright sunlight and in shade.

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https://vimeo.com/66438017

Youtube version:


Select 1080p.
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Vivid mode seems to produce sharper and more colorful video in very dim light

Here are frame grabs from video shot in almost complete darkness, first using Standard mode then Vivid:

Standard


Vivid


Compare the eyes for sharpness.
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My affection for that guy has grown on me. What's his story? Where did he come from? I think you should attempt a full blown portrait with your strongest camera in best light!

I'm waiting for my sister's review. She has had her ZS30 since Thursday!

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Souvenir from Thailand. That cute guy is a kick-boxer!

Before we get the life-size, high-quality version, here is another, I think, informative comparison in which we try out the 'low-light' video mode. So here are frame grabs from video of the same colorful guy and surroundings in very, very dim light.

Standard color, 1/60th shutter (likely 1600 ISO):



Vivid color, 1/60th shutter (likely 1600 ISO):



Low-light scene mode:



Clearly for the latter mode the shutter speed has been reduced to let in more light, hence it is brighter and more colorful and less noisy/blurred.

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Another ZS30 (TZ40) Travel Video: The University of Virginia Campus

Graduates, visitors, waterfalls, ducks, fountains, flowers, models, bells.

Vimeo:

https://vimeo.com/66777994

Original 108060p downloadable.

The Youtube version:



Select 1080p.

The audio of this camera seems pretty good. Examples: Captures the sound and location of birds in the scenes, and the power and tone of the large church bells at the end.
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The Panasonic ZS30 is back-ordered at both B&H and Amazon!
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The Panasonic ZS30 is back-ordered at both B&H and Amazon!

Back-ordered at Adorama and Samy's also. 7-10 days shipping frm the Panasonic web site.

More on the sound: You can literally see the dynamics of the audio track from this screen grab of the time-line from the UVa video:




[double-click to enlarge]

If the auto gain control were working at full capacity the video track would be all red. But you can see most of the sound is at a low level with ups and downs (dynamics), and the perfect dynamic reproduction of the individual bell clangs - loud and then diminishing - at the end.
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Back in stock: B&HPhotovideo - that was quick (both the silver and black models). Panic not.
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This brief video of a Berlin violinist playing outside on Museum Island displays some nice features of the ZS30 as a pocket video camera:

https://vimeo.com/68584998

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Select 1080p.

1. The long lens (560mm) enables close videos of people without distraction.

2. Despite the distance of the camera from the player, the violin sound is crystal clear.

3. The shots were handheld, but are very steady despite the long extension.

4. The skin tone is captured well.

5. Despite an occasional stroller who comes between the camera and the violinist, the focus remains rock steady on the subject. No focus hunting.

This will be part of a longer video - using the ZS30 and the LX7 - describing a brief visit to Berlin (and then videos of Kristiansand, Norway and Barcelona, Spain).
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Another good example of what can be done with small cameras.

My elder sister called and asked if she should buy an RX100 like I have. When she said she wanted to "zoom in on her grandkids", I told her to buy a ZS30. My suggestion was entirely based on your reviews! She bought one from B&H.

If you knew my sister, you would know that "we" are carrying a heavy burden. :-)

I'll see her this summer and see how well it's working for her. Maybe she'll let me play with it!
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hello again, mark!

once again, because of you Im thinking about buying a TZ40, but I would like to hear your opinion before that.

1. I was going to buy a 300mm+ lens for my APS-C camera. I was going to use it only for videos, not for pictures. I needed it for videos in good light situations, like in the beach. Since I dont need a good low light performance and Im going to use it only for videos I thought that the TZ40 could be a good option, since it costs less than a lens, and its probably better for videos.

2. I saw that the HX50V has the best range in the category - you can get up to 1080mm, but I saw some video comparisons and I was kinda disappointed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SglaeNGzDfQ --> in this video you can see that the HX50 is a lot worse than the HX30

HX50 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEvqtOhWZdg
TZ40 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKpuJf9gSXY

In those 2 videos, shot in the same place, you can see that the TZ40 is miles better. You have so much more detail that they seem to be in different generations.

Am I wrong or the TZ40 is really that better than the HX50V? I would love to have 1080mm, but I want good video quality.

3. I saw other big cameras, like the nice FZ200, but I think that a pocketable option is a better choice. Having f2.8 could be nice, but I actually dont need that. The canon sx280 seems to have battery problems, and im not a big fan of canon videos. Do I have other options (small + big zoom + great video) other than those cameras?

4. How is the video quality IN GOOD LIGHT of the TZ40 compared to the panasonic camcorders like the 700 and 900 series? Specially sharpness, detail, resolution and colors.

5. Using intelligent ZOOM you can get up to 40x zoom. Panasonic says you keep the optical zoom quality. Have you tested it? Is it good or should we keep it in the 20x optical zone?


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I touched and briefly played with my sister's new ZS30. I'm impressed. Too bad I don't have an excuse to buy a new camera.
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ZS30 (TZ40) Shanghai video

Singing, dancing (ballroom), cycling, kite-flying, card-playing, badminton, game-playing, jazz trio all on a Sunday afternoon in Shanghai.

https://vimeo.com/70438782
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