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My Pan SD600 broke frown.gif

I am after something with great colour and harpness mostly for daylight viewing

Budget £800- $1200

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My budget is lessor now and can stretch to the x920. What else but a bit cheaper?

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My budget is lessor now and can stretch to the x920. What else but a bit cheaper?

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Things have changed. Video camcorders frequently look like cameras. If my video camera broke now, I would look hard at a Panasonic FZ200 or a Panasonic ZS30. You may not look like a videographer when you shoot, but people watching your videos will see excellent picture quality.
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Yer but surely they cant match the image quality of a proper camcorder?..... I want the best possible video quality smile.gif

I was about to buy the panasonic x800.. From looking at this comparing site though! it would seem its a downgrade from my SD600 doesnt it?

http://camcorder-test.slashcam.com/compare--what-i-cmp-u-cmd-i-view-u-mode-i-docompare-u-lang-i-en-u-id-i-172-y-229-u-name-i-Panasonic%20HDC-X800-u-bname-i-Panasonic%20HDC-SD600-u-cmd-i-vergleich.html
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Jamie - Sorry to hear your SD600 has died frown.gif That was a great camera.

If value for money is an issue, I would get the X920 for £750 from Amazon UK. It is the best value camcorder on the market today.

With no viewfinder, no headphone jack and no wi-fi, the X800 is a much more limited camera.

That said, have you considered the £1123 Canon HF G30? It is within your £800-£1200 price range - and out-specs the X920 in the slashcam comparison with a higher recording bit rate, more zoom range, cinegammas, color bars and 2 card slots for backups or extended recording.

Here is the best review of the HF G30 I have seen (please watch at 1080p):



I am a Panasonic guy, but the HF G30 is the best consumer camcorder on the market today.

Hope this is helpful,

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Hi thanks for the information!...... All these extras like viewfinder,wifi etc I really dont need!! As it all about the picture quality for me. If the x920 offers a superior picture quality than the x800 in normal conditions then I will go for that!!..... If the x920 only produces a better image in low light then I will stick to a lessor camcorder as all my recording is done outside mostly with my daughter at the park etc.

The G30 does look good though!

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Why not getting a used SD600 or SD800 on eBay?

What exactly broke on your SD600?
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Bill,
What do you think of the comparisons of the G30 to the Panny and the Sony on Slashcam? Is it just me, or was it the weakest of the three. Convince me to look further into the G30, because it does intrigue me. I like the 20x optical (although I don't think I'd use it much except at the zoo.) I don't believe the OIS is as good as the others, and the WB seemed way too warm for me. I'm interested in your thoughts on this.

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What do you think of the comparisons of the G30 to the Panny and the Sony on Slashcam? Is it just me, or was it the weakest of the three. Convince me to look further into the G30, because it does intrigue me. I like the 20x optical (although I don't think I'd use it much except at the zoo.) I don't believe the OIS is as good as the others, and the WB seemed way too warm for me. I'm interested in your thoughts on this.

Thanks,

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Hi Rob - if you look at the bottom of the chart, the HF G30 scored a little higher in slashcam's rating system than the X920 (437 versus 434).

Personally, as I said above, I like the G30's higher recording bit rate, superior zoom range, cinegammas, color bars and 2 card slots for backups or extended recording. I also like that it has two decent codecs (MP4 and AVCHD) - and you can always adjust the WB smile.gif

For me, the proof is in the pudding - I like what I'm seeing in sample videos like this one (please watch at 1080p):




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In good light is the G30 that much better than the x920 for all that extra money?
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In good light is the G30 that much better than the x920 for all that extra money?

That's a judgment call for the guy writing the checque smile.gif - but I would say no.

Although the £1191 HF G30 is a tremendous achievement for Canon, in my view, it is seriously overpriced (as is the flagship Sony, the £1109 PJ780)

Please pardon me for repeating myself, but the £750 X920 really is the best value for money among today's flagship consumer camcorders.


Best of luck,


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P.S. - in case you have not seen, you may be interested in this post in the X920 thread from someone who went from the SD600 to the X920: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1464196/panasonic-x-920/60#post_23532242
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I will take your word for it and now order smile.gif Hoping to see a nice image than my SD600, fingers crossed!

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If you dont need good low light and would like to have a long focal lenght, again, I would suggest the Pansonic V720. Its only 480USD and you have almost the same image quality in good light, AND the 800mm zoom (21x optical) - but you can get up to 50x using clear image zoom. Thats more than you will ever need.
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So you think the Pansonic V720 which produce pretty much the same image in good light? If so that could be the one smile.gif
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So you think the Panasonic V720 which produce pretty much the same image in good light? If so that could be the one smile.gif

Sadly, no, it does not.


Here is camcorderinfo's V720 60p motion test in bright light (please watch at 1080p):





And here is the same test of the X920 (again, please watch at 1080p):





If you freeze frames from each video at 1080p, expand them to fill the screen and toggle back and forth, you can clearly see the X920's superior resolution and motion capture. To me, that's worth the extra £320.

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just to give you some numbers, since you like sharp videos:


X920
horizontal: 800 lw/ph
vertical: 800 lw/ph

V720
horizontal: 750 lw/ph
vertical: 800 lw/ph

Canon G20
horizontal: 850 lw/ph
vertical: 650lw/ph

Sony PJ650
horizontal: 775 lw/ph
vertical: 775 lw/ph

As you can see, the V720 is not the best, but its between the top camcorders for a lot less. But if resolution and detail are important for you, you can still buy the old X900, the sharpest camcorder for consumers

X900
horizontal: 1000 lw/ph
vertical: 950 lw/ph

they are blaming the big amount of pixels on those new panasonic camcorders as the reason for the lower resolution. oh well...


those lab tests are nice, but I wonder how is the difference in an outdoor video in the sunlight.
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I am also searching for a good small camera with great resolution/detail/sharpness and a big focal length

I am leaning towards a point and shoot though, specially the HX50v from sony. it features a 1100mm optical zoom

the old version (HX30V) has 750 lw/ph horizontal and vertical - pretty good

people seem to like a lot the HX9V video, wich is only 625 lw/ph horizontal and 700 lw/ph vertical

I wonder how the new HX50V performs!!


some other point and shoot cameras that people like to use for videos:

Panasonic FZ200
horizontal: 600
vertical: 600

Sony RX100
horizontal: ?
vertical: 550

LX7
horizontal: 600
vertical: 610

as you can see, in the sony HX series you have almost top-consumer-camcorder resolution, bigger zoom, and it can fit your pocket
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I am also searching for a good small camera with great resolution/detail/sharpness and a big focal length

I am leaning towards a point and shoot though, specially the HX50v from sony. it features a 1100mm optical zoom

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Have you looked at the Panasonic ZS30 thread here? http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467291/a-new-pocket-long-zoom-camcorder-the-panasonic-zs30-tz40
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yep! the TZ40 is a great little camera. I was actually about to buy one.

the thing is Im really tempted by the 1100mm zoom on the HX50V. The TZ40 has "only" 560mm

Since they are both new cameras, its hard to find good technical reviews of them, thats why im waiting to decide.

the sony compacts seems to produce videos with better resolution, although the panasonic videos look better to my eyes, but thats just color and saturation, and I can correct that in post. The resolution problem can't be corrected.
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just to give you some numbers, since you like sharp videos:


X920
horizontal: 800 lw/ph
vertical: 800 lw/ph

V720
horizontal: 750 lw/ph
vertical: 800 lw/ph

Canon G20
horizontal: 850 lw/ph
vertical: 650lw/ph

Sony PJ650
horizontal: 775 lw/ph
vertical: 775 lw/ph

As you can see, the V720 is not the best, but its between the top camcorders for a lot less. But if resolution and detail are important for you, you can still buy the old X900, the sharpest camcorder for consumers

X900
horizontal: 1000 lw/ph
vertical: 950 lw/ph

they are blaming the big amount of pixels on those new panasonic camcorders as the reason for the lower resolution. oh well...


those lab tests are nice, but I wonder how is the difference in an outdoor video in the sunlight.


Hi thanks for that! from reading the x900 has a little borther called the x800 which is basically the same lens and everything, producing an identical image for less money minus some features. So with a view point of outdoors, in good light it would seem the x800 might be the root to go and get close to the image of the x920 for lots less money! smile.gif
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