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If this has 1080p60 it will be a great deal for a mirrorless E mount camera with 1.44MP EVF.
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And this is the first image of the Alpha 3000. As I told you before it has a new 20 Megapixel sensor and a 230k LCD. Price for the body will be around 300 Pounds (converted this could be more or less $300 or 350 Euro).

UPDATE: My source made a mistake when writing the camera specs. The 230K resolution refers to the LCD screen and not to the EVF. The VEF should have a 1,44 Million dot EVF. This looks like a very nice camera after all!
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-first-image-of-the-new-ilc-3000-a3000-in-japan/



First image of the new ILC-3000 (A3000 in Japan). 230K LCD and 1,44 Million dot EVF.
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i really doubt there will be 60p if you just look at other lower end sony products like the wx300 or nex 3r
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It looks like it has the same sensor as the a58 and it has the following video modes :
Video Format : AVCHD Ver.2.0/ MP4 (MPEG-4 AVC (H.264))
Video Mode : AVCHD: FX - 1920 x 1080/60i@24MbpsFH - 1920 x 1080/60i@17MbpsFX - 1920 x 1080/24p@24MbpsFH - 1920 x 1080/24p@17MbpsMP4: HD - 1440 x 1080/ 30p@12MbpsVGA - 640 x 480/ 30p@3Mbps

http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-Alpha-a58-DSLR-Camera-with-18-55mm-Lens/en/p/SLTA58K#specifications


More images of the A3000 and 16-70mm Zeiss lens!







"image of the 18-105mm G PZ lens with that huge 72mm filter size diameter. A lens made for filmmakers"
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-larger-image-of-the-two-new-e-mount-zooms/

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All the new Sony NEX stuff got leaked the recent days and now it’s even Sony itself leaking some info through their own websites. Sony Austria (Click here) lists the new 16-70mm f/4.0 OSS Zeiss lens, the new 18-105 G lens (page here) and the NEX-5T (page here). The new info we got here is that the Zeiss lens and the 5T will already ship in September. The G PZ zoom will ship in December only. What you don’t see on the Sony site is the price of the lenses. But the Zeiss should be around 1.000 Euro.

http://www.sony.at/product/kompakte-systemkamera-objektive/sel-p18105g
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-austria-lists-the-new-zeiss-16-70mm/
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-one-more-a3000-picture-has-in-body-is/
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-sony-germany-creates-the-ilc-category-announcement-tomorrow-at-5-6-am-london-time/


There is speculation that Sony will come out with a mid range 5000 model along with 6000, 7000 and full frame 9000 version so there will be 1080p60 and maybe even 4K in future versions by Photokina (September 2014).
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It looks like it will be $450 and not $300. At that price it might be worth the wait for an upgrade version ( ILC-6000 ?) with 2.3 million dot resolution OLED EVF that is used on the NEX-6, 1080p60 and better LCD.

Update: EOS-HD says "$300 body only ($398 with the E-mount 18-55mm kit lens) so $300 is not too bad a price unless the EVF sucks.


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Rumors of Sony's ILC-3000 or A-3000 E-mount camera have been floating in the wind for a while, but so far nothing of substance has touched down. Now, a contributor at Dyxum.com has spotted Sony advocate Gustav Kiburg with a model that seems to fit the bill. Though it looks more like an Alpha DSLR than a NEX, the E-mount camera is purported to have no mirror and a 20-megapixel APS-C sensor that maxes out at 16,000 ISO (not to mention, captures 1080p video). Amazingly, it also apparently sports a reasonable, £300 ($450 or so) price tag. We'll soon find out whether any of that is true if yet another rumor proves accurate -- it's supposedly set to arrive early tomorrow morning in Europe.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/26/sonys-rumored-ilc-3000-e-mount-camera/
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Sony have some new cameras. The NEX 5T and A3000. The NEX 5T changes absolutely nothing over the 5R aside from adding NFC (near field communication), something Sony felt so important (communication with smartphones) that they rushed out a new model for it.

The A3000 has the form factor of a Canon 100D DSLR, or rather the Panasonic G6, it being a mirrorless E-mount camera. Both feature 1080p video modes with 60p and 24p. Along with the new bodies Sony have announced some new lenses for E-mount including the 18-105mm F4 and Zeiss 16-70mm F4.

I don’t really understand why Sony haven’t progressed the NEX 5 series. Both updates make the difference between the Canon 700D and 650D look like revolutions.

Let’s draw a line where my coverage of this unexciting camera ends.

The A3000 is a low end camera but it does pack a new 20MP sensor. What this means for video can only be guessed at, but I’m not expecting much for a camera costing just $300 body only ($398 with the E-mount 18-55mm kit lens).

It looks nice and is the form factor the Alpha line should have adopted long ago, along with the E-mount.

But why such a low end offering?

The screen is just 230k and the EVF is tiny.
Sony say the A3000 is aimed at the D3200 and Canon T3i market.

I’d much rather see a camera in this form factor aimed at the GH3 with some outstanding video features.

The NEX 5T is aimed higher, at the mid-range DSLR and mirrorless market.

The A3000 doesn’t have 1080/60p but it does feature 1080/24p.

The problem with ALL these cameras is that the “step up market” from smartphones no longer exists. People are happy with their smartphones. The quality of images you get from 2013′s best smartphones is absolutely fine for the customer the A3000 is aimed at. They don’t want to carry a 2nd camera around when they already have all they want in their pocket.

Let’s hope Sony can do a better job of the full frame NEX camera which is rumoured to come next month.
http://www.eoshd.com/content/11091/sony-release-old-camera-with-new-badge-nex-5t-and-entry-level-a3000
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ISO3200 max for video on on this SONY is too low for me - ISO6400 is sometimes necessary, eg bands in very dark venues.

ISO6400 on my CANONs cleans up just OK using NEATVIDEO plugin for ADOBE AFTER EFFECTS. I have been shooting ISO6400 since I bought my 60D in Nov2010 -3 years on, and SONY have not yet matched this.

My sneaking suspicion is that SONY struggled getting the noise low enough @ ISO6400, so they dropped it - ISO3200 might be wobbly too.

Anyhow, the proper way of processing noise is from a RAW file (eg CANON 5D3).
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ISO3200 max for video on on this SONY is too low for me - ISO6400 is sometimes necessary, eg bands in very dark venues.

ISO6400 on my CANONs cleans up just OK using NEATVIDEO plugin for ADOBE AFTER EFFECTS. I have been shooting ISO6400 since I bought my 60D in Nov2010 -3 years on, and SONY have not yet matched this.

My sneaking suspicion is that SONY struggled getting the noise low enough @ ISO6400, so they dropped it - ISO3200 might be wobbly too.

Anyhow, the proper way of processing noise is from a RAW file (eg CANON 5D3).

The Canon 60D looks much worse @12800iso than my $180 Sony NEX-3N @12800iso.



click here for 2560x1600 image of Canon 60D vs NEX-3N @ 12800 iso


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The 60D is 3 years old now, yet it shoots video @ ISO6400, no problem. And I would absolutely expect tech to improve in that time.

cameras are only tools to be used by tools - as they say (... read 'WHAT THE DUCK' ...).

As this the focus of this forum appears to be mostly about making video (I think the title 'Camcorders' might be the give away here), then most users here would benefit from knowing just how well these cameras work for video - just the facts.

The Sony ILC-3000 shoots @ max ISO of 3200. This is well below what has been available in other cheap cameras for years. Even my tiny (and cheap) EOSM shoots better low light video (check out my EOSM fireworks clip)

My suspicion is that the Sony ILC-3000 is already struggling to record clean video @ ISO3200 - if it could do decent ISO6400 video, it would already have this function.

Stills are just as important to me, so, some interesting CANON & SONY high iso comparos:

ISO6400:


ISO12800


Not much in it really - it all comes down to sensor size and good glass when shooting RAW stills. However, video still relies on the on camera compressor - ROLL ON RAW VIDEO, I say. You can also do RAW video too on most canons now.
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It's $398 with 18-55 zoom and has a larger sensor than the Canon 60D !
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Sony's A3000 DLSR is cheap. Super cheap. It costs $400 paired with a 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 kit lens. These days, that's more or less the price of an advanced point-and-shoot camera from Canon, and it's considerably cheaper than Sony's badass RX100 II point-and-shoot. So what gives? And what's up with DSLRs?
Probably the camera's most striking feature besides its price tag is that it'll naturally accept smaller E-Mount (NEX) lenses rather than the A-mount lenses Sony DSLRs usually take. The A-mount lenses will work with an approved converter accessory.

The A3000 is very small, but aside from its size, the camera's specifications aren't shocking. Like the last batch of cheap Sony DSLRs, the camera features a digital viewfinder, a 20.1-megapixel APS-C sensor, and all of the on-body controls dials you'd expect from a DSLR including the all-important P/A/S/M mode dial. Despite its compact size, the camera retains it an electronic viewfinder just like its predecessors. For video, it shoots Full HD (1920 x 1080) video at either 24 or 60 frames per second.

With and E-mount and an electronic viewfinder, you might start to wonder if the A3000 isn't just a mirrorless NEX camera in DSLR disguise. The truth is that line has been blurry for a very long time since Sony switched its DSLRs to "single-lens translucent" cameras to begin with. Can a camera with an electronic viewfinder be called a DSLR? You could argue that the company hasn't made a "true" DSLR in some time. I prefer to call this camera what it's trying oh-so-hard to be: a bulkier shooter for people who equate the bulk and form factor of the past with quality. (I look forward to debating this point in the Kinja below...)
The bottom line is that at $400, you're looking at a price tag that the competition from cameras like the $650 Canon SL1 just can't touch.
http://gizmodo.com/sony-a3000-the-cheapest-beginner-dslr-ever-1205460533

19 picture`s A3000 & ZEISS16-70 F4

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Sony Alpha A3000 Digital Camera with 18-55mm Lens $398 with free shipping








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It's really a budget camera: interlaced video and an amazingly low-resolution 3" lcd: 230k! Toy cameras have that (how do you focus?). No manual audio control (does it have manual control of video?), no external mic input, no use of alpha lenses at f-stops below f3.5 with an adaptor that allows auto-focus.

Other than a 6% bigger sensor and a viewfinder (that is an attraction to many), this offers no advantages over the $349 EOS M, with its 1.1 million pixel 3" lcd and full use of all Canon EF lenses (with adaptor), full manual controls of everything, high bitrate progressive video, and an external mic input.

But it is good to see a low-cost alternative entry for big-sensor video.
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This camera is $398 with 18-55mm kit lens compared to the EOS M with 18-55mm at $849 when it came out. Wait for the A5000, A6000, A7000 and full frame A9000 if you don't want an entry level beginner camera. BTW 1080p24 is not interlaced and E mount cameras work with more lenses than any other mount. Could I use my full frame Pentax lenses with Lens Turbo on the EOS M to make my 50mm F1.4 to work like a 36mm F1.0 or 24mm F1.4 like a 16mm F1.0 ?




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This camera is $398 with 18-55mm kit lens compared to the EOS M with 18-55mm at $849 when it came out. Wait for the A5000, A6000, A7000 and full frame A9000 if you don't want an entry level beginner camera. BTW 1080p24 is not interlaced and E mount cameras work with more lenses than any other mount. Could I use my full frame Pentax lenses with Lens Turbo on the EOS M to make my 50mm F1.4 to work like a 36mm F1.0 or 24mm F1.4 like a 16mm F1.0 ?




A3000 sample photos :
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You cannot use all those lenses with auto focus and auto aperture. People with exotic lenses and who must set up all shots are not going to buy a cheap camera that cannot even do 30p.The EOS works completely (full aperture past 3.5 with AF and AE) with all Canon lenses (and those made for Canon). 24p is a silly frame rate smile.gif. And what is the point of the old price; the EOS M with a comparable lens is $349.
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I prefer to use full manual mode in video mode but there are many full auto lenses for the E mount cameras with some having power zoom. How many Canon lenses have power zoom with the EOS M ? Does the EOS M have a power zoom lever like the NEX-3N ? So you are saying 1080p24 & 1080i is unusable in a beginner entry level camera ? Really ? So you are comparing the A3000 to the Canon fire sale price after they got stuck with them after lack of sales at the $849 price ?

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I prefer to use full manual mode in video mode but there are many full auto lenses for the E mount cameras with some having power zoom. How many Canon lenses have power zoom with the EOS M ? Does the EOS M have a power zoom lever like the NEX-3N ? So you are saying 1080p24 & 1080i is unusable in a beginner entry level camera ? Really ? So you are comparing the A3000 to the Canon fire sale price after they got stuck with them after lack of sales at the $849 price ?



You are correct, there are no power zooms in the Canon line, and that is useful for video. But no, no beginner in video should be shooting either interlaced or 24p. The video world has moved to progressive, and 24p is a really poor frame rate for action (kids moving around, sports) which would probably be what beginners are shooting. 24p is a strange option for a beginner camera.

Your statement about the cause of the price decrease is pure speculation. The price decrease was accompanied by the firmware upgrade, btw. And, it is the price now (and has been the price for some time), so that is the price that is relevant (it is not a temporary "sale"). The Panasonic LX7 experienced a massive price decrease, fueling speculation about its being abandoned. Now everyone accepts it as a really good compact video camera. And most people now consider the EOS M one of the best bargains for large-sensor video. If one wants a big sensor and a viewfinder and low cost, this new Sony entry is very interesting. But the video prowess is disappointing, leaving aside the audio issues.
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There are millions of people shooting 1080i60 video with entry level cameras and for most people 1080p24 is also usable.Do you think 1080p30 is going to look that much better than 1080p24 to a beginner ? 1080p60 is what you really want for action so go compare how many cameras Canon has that shoots 1080p60 compared to Sony.B&H sold the EOS M 22mm F2 with Canon 90EX flash for $299 that was selling for $929 last year so compare that with the Sony RX100 that came out before the EOS M for $649 and today is selling for $598 because they were selling as fast as Sony could make them.
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There are millions of people shooting 1080i60 video with entry level cameras and for most people 1080p24 is also usable.Do you think 1080p30 is going to look that much better than 1080p24 to a beginner ? 1080p60 is what you really want for action so go compare how many cameras Canon has that shoots 1080p60 compared to Sony.B&H sold the EOS M 22mm F2 with Canon 90EX flash for $299 that was selling for $929 last year so compare that with the Sony RX100 that came out before the EOS M for $649 and today is selling for $598 because they were selling as fast as Sony could make them.

It doesn't matter what I think other people think, or what is selling or not selling. What matters is what is true and what is good - 24p is not a good frame rate for general use, and 30p is better, and interlaced video is worse too. And having less choice is worse for sure (you can do 30p and 24p on any Canon). And having no external mic input or manual control of audio is not good, whether or not many people appreciate good audio. I would also prefer 60p, but so what?, that is not a choice for a big-sensor $349 camera with interchangeable lenses. If you really need a viewfinder and have a small budget, the A3000 might be the choice, but you sacrifice a lot.

But, even more importantly: I understand that the A3000 does not allow autofocusing in video mode. Is this true?

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24p is good, no 60p is bad. But anyway, for this price I would expect a reasonably fast 10x zoom with non-removable stabilized lens, audio in, audio levels controls, full manual exposure control and focus ring. And full spectre of frame rates: 24, 25, 30, 50, 60. No freaking interlace. And a high-res screen, possibly with swivel. I can live with 720 lines, no need for 1080. Am I asking too much?
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24p is good, no 60p is bad. But anyway, for this price I would expect a reasonably fast 10x zoom with non-removable stabilized lens, audio in, audio levels controls, full manual exposure control and focus ring. And full spectre of frame rates: 24, 25, 30, 50, 60. No freaking interlace. And a high-res screen, possibly with swivel. I can live with 720 lines, no need for 1080. Am I asking too much?
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24p is good, no 60p is bad. But anyway, for this price I would expect a reasonably fast 10x zoom with non-removable stabilized lens, audio in, audio levels controls, full manual exposure control and focus ring. And full spectre of frame rates: 24, 25, 30, 50, 60. No freaking interlace. And a high-res screen, possibly with swivel. I can live with 720 lines, no need for 1080. Am I asking too much?

That focus ring is what seems to be the roadblock to your nirvana for fixed-lens cameras. But, if you can do without the swivel screen and non-removability (why is removable bad?) and 10x (to save money), the EOS M gives you 72060p, 72050p,108024p, 108030p, 108025p, focus ring, full manual control of audio and video (really full - manual everything), mic in. You choose the lens. $349 with 18-55 stabilized (other options).
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yes 30fps is better than 24fps, but not a show stopper for slower moving subjects.

so let me get this straight, the new A3000 doesn't have;

- AF on video ?
- ISO6400
- Manual audio levels
- other manual controls ?
- has a rough low res monitor and EVF (at least DP Review thought so)
- RAW video upgrade

Doesn't seem much reason to buy one to me, it would be a giant P.I.T.A. for me.

I also have a EOSM, btw, and highly recommend it - probably the best pocket camera on the market - the AF on video works great.

When do we need AF on video ? How about this jet boat ride I shot on the EOSM on the Shotover River in NZ, one hand on the grabrail, and one hand on the camera - the AF worked just fine :
http://arcoonastudios.zenfolio.com/p897346936/h5c3ad6f6#h5c3ad6f6
http://arcoonastudios.zenfolio.com/p897346936/h5c3ad6f6#h5c3bbaf2

I can't wait to see the EOSM2 - may have split pixel AF, ala the 70D
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When do we need AF on video ? How about this jet boat ride I shot on the EOSM on the Shotover River in NZ, one hand on the grabrail, and one hand on the camera - the AF worked just fine :
http://arcoonastudios.zenfolio.com/p897346936/h5c3ad6f6#h5c3ad6f6
http://arcoonastudios.zenfolio.com/p897346936/h5c3ad6f6#h5c3bbaf2
Uh, uh, watched 20 seconds of the first video, strobing and bad focusing galore. Nope, this is not an example of decent autofocus. Not that I personally need it on a camera like this, but you say it focuses well, but I beg to differ.
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Doesn't strobe on my PC - I have a GTX580 card.

This was filmed in 30fps 1080P - Perhaps you should check your graphics card settings ? Are you currently displaying 30 or 60fps ? My display currently set to 60fps, and looks fine.

Anyhow, some small also degradation occcures when the Zenfolio uploaded recompressed this clip - certainly looks great on my PC. Make sure you also select '1080P' in the player, as the 'auto' is low rez.

Re the foucssing... you should understand the conditions this was being shot in, the river was very shallow and the boat was banging around both on the water and on rocks on the bottom. There is a steel bash plate under the centrre of these boats. No IS on the tiny 22mm lens I used - this combo so it was small enough to fit inside a waterhousing i already had. I was having a lot of trouble holding the camera steady - no wonder the AF had a hard time. I just wonder how the AF on other cameras would fare in the same circumstances.

Anyhow, the point of posting the jetboat videos was that there are times when manual focussing isn't possible. I havne't upgraded to the latest (official Canon) firmware as yet - i understand that this new firmware substantially improves the EOSM's AF.

Perhaps you also could share a video where the camera and the operator was being shaken to siht house ? - we can then compare AF speeds under similar circumstances.

Needless to say, I couldn't have made that video @ all if I only had the Sony A3000

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The only reason you and others purchased the EOS M is for the fire sale price. Sony will have a much better A6000 for what the original price was on the EOS M. The EOS M was much worse than my $180 Sony NEX-3N @12800 ISO and I did not consider 1080p30 an advantage over 1080p24 since I never seen any advantage in my GH2 when shooting in 1080p30 over 1080p24 and I already have three cameras that shoot 1080p60.

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The only reason you and others purchased the EOS M is for the fire sale price. Sony will have a much better A6000 for what the original price was on the EOS M. The EOS M was much worse than my $180 Sony NEX-3N @12800 ISO and I did not consider 1080p30 an advantage over 1080p24 since I never seen any advantage in my GH2 when shooting in 1080p30 over 1080p24 and I already have three cameras that shoot 1080p60.

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Yes, I bought the EOS M because of the low price (still the same price now). And it turned out to be amazingly good, so I invested in more lens (Canon is clever after all!). I don't shoot anything @ISO 12800 and I would love to see any video taken at that ISO, if it is even possible (must look awful). I am still waiting to see any big-sensor camera less than $400 that will beat the EOS M in any important way - but I hope it happens!
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Doesn't strobe on my PC - I have a GTX580 card.

This was filmed in 30fps 1080P - Perhaps you should check your graphics card settings ? Are you currently displaying 30 or 60fps ? My display currently set to 60fps, and looks fine.
It is rather lame to shoot at lower frame rate only to hope that a display device will fill the blanks so to speak. JVC bet on this couple of times with 30p HDV and with 60i HD recording upconverted to 60p when watched over HDMI. It did not have success with these tricks. No reason to fool around when you can have the real deal.
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Re the foucssing... you should understand the conditions this was being shot in, the river was very shallow and the boat was banging around both on the water and on rocks on the bottom. There is a steel bash plate under the centrre of these boats. No IS on the tiny 22mm lens I used - this combo so it was small enough to fit inside a waterhousing i already had. I was having a lot of trouble holding the camera steady - no wonder the AF had a hard time. I just wonder how the AF on other cameras would fare in the same circumstances.
I understand the circumstances so I would not pick on this, but you say that this is an example of great autofocus, which it is not. Yes, other cameras fare better, especially those with smaller sensor. There was no reason to use large chip in this setting anyway. Something like Kodak Playsport would suffice.
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Perhaps you also could share a video where the camera and the operator was being shaken to siht house ? - we can then compare AF speeds under similar circumstances.
You advertise AF on this camera, not me. It is not great all I can say judging by what you've shot.
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Here are direct tests of the focusing ability of the EOS M in two modes.

First, AF single zone. This was done in very low light (ISO 6400, f3.5), 108030p:

https://vimeo.com/73271316

This was done with the EF M 18-55mm IS STM lens.

Second, touch focus tracking, carrying out focus pulls at dusk:

https://vimeo.com/70453609

This was done with the EF-S 18-135mm lens.
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It is rather lame to shoot at lower frame rate only to hope that a display device will fill the blanks so to speak. JVC bet on this couple of times with 30p HDV and with 60i HD recording upconverted to 60p when watched over HDMI. It did not have success with these tricks. No reason to fool around when you can have the real deal.
I understand the circumstances so I would not pick on this, but you say that this is an example of great autofocus, which it is not. Yes, other cameras fare better, especially those with smaller sensor. There was no reason to use large chip in this setting anyway. Something like Kodak Playsport would suffice.
You advertise AF on this camera, not me. It is not great all I can say judging by what you've shot.
This is a thread about the Sony A3000. The A3000 certainly could not have shot that very rough jetboat ride.

Given the shooting circumstances, which camera would you recommend to use on a very rough jetboat ride ? BTW, I also smoothed this clip in post, but I didn't like it much - smooth clear, sure, but didn't convey the actual feeling of being there. What you see in my clip is exactly how it was.

Sure there are many other cameras that could have done a better job, how ever, I was constrained with a 23kg bag limit to NZ, and already was carrying a DSLR, a 4kg tripod and 8 lenses - doesn't leave much for clothes - let alone another camcorder and charger.

(I even discarded some stuff for the trip home)

I certainly didn't buy the EOSM back in November on price. I bought the EOSM because it is such a terrific little camera - the EOSM has the same stills and video quality as a pro 7D. (remember that whole award winning feature films were shot on the 7D, eg LIKE CRAZY).

Cameras can and do fail (it happened to me on a trip away, had to use a cell phone...). The great thing about the EOSM is that it takes all my DSLR lenses and I use it as a back up for the DSLR. When baggage weight limits are an issue, and you want ha high quality back up body what are you going to buy ? I am very interested to hear if any one knows of a better travel combo ?

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Mark and I put our work out there to be useful - It can be a lot of hard work.

Would be nice if others shared some more of their work too.
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Sony Alpha A3000 Digital Camera with 18-55mm and 55-210mm Lenses Kit with case & FS for $498.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1010412-REG/sony_soa3000_alpha_a3000_digital_camera.html

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Joe - that's a great find.

Seeing the A3000 at $348 led me to look at prices for 1-2 year old APS-C and micro 4/3 still/video cameras that cost $500 or more when they were introduced. Turns out here are some pretty good pre-Christmas prices out there right now on the 'Island of Misfit Toys':

Canon EOS M body - $225 (APS-C, mic jack, no viewfinder, no flash)

Panasonic G5 body - $299 (micro 4/3, viewfinder, flash, no mic jack)

Samsung NX1100 w kit lens - $312 (APS-C, mic jack, wi-fi, no viewfinder, external flash)

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