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I am sure a prosumer version will be coming with that.
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One comes from a top trusted source -> Thanks AL wink.gif He says that Sony will soon announce the “FDR-AX1” 4K Camcorder. These are some specs:
XQD memory card
4K G-lens
XLR output
can switch between 4K and 2k
records in CAVC/S 4K HD
Price….less than $5,000!
He didn’t mention it…but I guess this is a fixed lens camera. Can you confirm AL? P.S.: Some info to share on the NEX-FF and A-mount front?
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-cheap-4k-camcorder-coming-soon-sr2-mid-frame-mystery-cam/



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Go Sony!!! Finally something else I can do with my XQD cards smile.gif
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I'm surprised it's H.264 and not H.265. XAVC-S is 3840x2160. Not sure about the maximum frame rate.
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We will know the specs within 24 hours.
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Tomorrow (Sept 4 at 16:00 London time) Sony will announce plenty of new stuff. This includes the QX lenscameras, the new 4K camcorders, the new action camera and I am still not sure about this…maybe the 70-200mmII lens and some other lens. What I don’t expect to be announced tomorrow is the NEX-FF camera. The leaked Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 Full Frame should have convinced everyone that Sony will launch the camera. The questions now are…when is it coming? And how will the camera be?

The rumors I got said that there will be a big Sony presentation in late September. And here are some early tidbits on the super secret Sony NEX-FF camera:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-many-nex-ff-cameras-on-roadmap-one-is-a-cheap-model/

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4K XAVC XDCAM Handheld Camcorder


Premieres at IBC 2013 - September 12-17

Preliminary Specs:

XAVC/S 4K HD codec
4K and 2K video capture
XQD memory card
4K G lens
Dual XLR
20x Optical zoom (fixed lens)
3x ND filter
http://www.creativeventures.be/sony-pxw-z100.html
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First Impressions: Sony FDR AX1–The First 4K Camcorder With an Auto Mode :
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- Can output video to 3840 x 2160 QFHD or 4096 x 2160

- 1/2.3 inch 12MP sensor. 8MP of those are effective

- Can shoot 60P, 30P or 24p

- 20x optical zoom lens starting at f1.8

- XLR outputs

- Manual functions and fully automatic functions

- XAVCS format for video

- Can output via an HDMI cable and can record video to XQD cards

- 3 stop ND filter

- SD card slot

- Can take a 4K video and output it as HD

- $3,499 when it launches in mid October
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http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/09/04/first-impressions-sony-fdr-ax1-the-first-4k-camcorder-with-a-auto-mode/







B&H is showing $4,499.99 so the $3,499 must be a typo.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1002485-REG/sony_fdr_ax1_4k_camcorder.html

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Aiming to make public access to the 4K video resolution a bit more affordable (though not for lack of quality in hardware), Sony has this week announced the Sony FDR-AX1 4K Handycam. This device is able to record video at 4x the number of pixels offered with “Full HD”, bringing this camera’s video output up to 3840 x 2160 pixels. This device isn’t going to be something you pick up at your corner camera shop – we’re not quite there yet with this sort of quality – but it is the closest thing we’ve seen to a general consumer product able to record video at such high definition.
http://www.slashgear.com/sony-fdr-ax1-4k-handycam-official-top-quality-video-within-reach-04294795/


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Sony PXW-Z100 1/2.33-inch type Exmor R CMOS sensor 4K compact XDCAM camcorder recording on XAVC format :

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Professional handheld camcorder records 4K using the XAVC format on to XQD solid state memory cards

The PXW-Z100 professional 4K handheld XDCAM camcorder features a 1/2.33-inch Exmor R CMOS sensor with 16 million pixels. The camcorder is ideal for creating stunning 4K content (4096 x 2160) at 50 fps (frames per second) or 60 fps. The camcorder makes it easier for everyone from high-end cinema to entry-level productions to work in the 4K world.

Stunning 4K, QFHD or HD images in lightweight camcorder
The PXW-Z100, together with the fixed 4K-compatible high-performance G Lens, weighs less than 3kg. It uses the XAVC recording format first used in the PMW-F55 CineAlta camera. As with the F55, 4K (4096 x 2160, 50fps or 60fps. 4:2:2, Intra-frame,10-bit recording in MXF file format) is possible at a high-bit rate of 500Mbps or 600Mbps. QFHD (3840 x 2160) and HD (1920 x 1080) resolutions can also be selected, both of which are compatible with most 4K TV’s.

http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/pxw-z100/overview?utm_campaign=matt-davis&utm_medium=affiliatebanner

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"4K (4096 x 2160, 50fps or 60fps. 4:2:2, Intra-frame,10-bit recording in MXF file format) is possible at a high-bit rate of 500Mbps or 600Mbps. " -- quite a step forward compared to 25 Mbit/s HDV. Well, Sony wants to sell its media - you won't be able to record 600 Mbit/s onto SD card.
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Sample Video for 4K Handycam FDR-AX1 :




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I see it also has an SDXC slot next to the two XQD Memory card slots.

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I'm very impressed with most of the specifications and the fact that it can be firmware upgradable to HDMI 2.0 makes it even more impressive but I sort of can't believe it's a single chip camera. If the chip was a little bigger like say 2/3" it would have seen fine but since it's smaller, I'm led to believe that this was one of the ways Sony can make the camera as affordable as possible. At the same time, the 4K camera from JVC has the same size chip and is currently $4,995. In the past, Canon has shown off a mock up camera with a 2/3" chip. Panasonic also has a 4K camera which looks similar to the Sony. Maybe Panasonic and Canon will soon follow with their own announcements.
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I'm not surprised it's single-chip. New chips seem to get the color accuracy that old CCDs couldn't. 2/3'' inch would have been nice, but would be more expensive, would require a bigger, heavier lens and would probably drop an f-stop or optical zoom range.
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I took a screenshot of the Sony 4K youtube video on my 30" 2560x1600 monitor .

For 2560x1600 px version click on link :
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3699/9681201477_ac5d1ee9e0_o.jpg




That was from the following Sony 4K youtube video :
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Instead of fiddling with 4K YouTube should offer proper 50p/60p frame rate. Meh.
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I'm not surprised it's single-chip. New chips seem to get the color accuracy that old CCDs couldn't. 2/3'' inch would have been nice, but would be more expensive, would require a bigger, heavier lens and would probably drop an f-stop or optical zoom range.
The least they should have done was to use more of the pixels on the same 1/2.3" chip (if possible). As is, it's using a 1/3" portion so not much different from their consumer camcorders. Those extra pixels would have given some benefits to the real resolution and colors. The only drawback to doing that is the lens being more like 12 to 16x (I don't feel like doing the math) rather than 20x. Plus the camcorder could have been even smaller.

With all that said, I definitely wouldn't mind owning the Z100 version since you get slightly more vertical resolution and a 600Mbps Intra Frame based codec. It would be fun camcorder to shoot events with.

Since Sony wasn't willing to give us a 4K version of the PMW160, it would have been great to See Panasonic give us a 4K version of the AC160 but unfortunately with the mock up that Panasonic shown already, the first camera Panasonic releases might me a 4K version of the AC90. Both the Sony and Panasonic 4K camcorders wont be much different in that case. OK Canon, here's your chance to shine. Either give us a 4K version of the XF300 or put your single 2/3" chip into a camcorder. Oh, and please make it be in the 4 figures rather than 5 like all your other 4K cameras so far.
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Right, Sony has seriously upped the ante with 600 Mbit/s. Panasonic has to come up with some cool AVCUtra stuff, and to trickle it down to consumer devices.
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Will be interesting to see how many lines of resolution there actually are on the 4k camcorders.

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I must say that the AX1's 4K is sharper than HD based on my testing recently.wink.gif

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Blaast, are you talking about YouTube videos you've seen? On what device are you viewing these?

I will say that some that I've seen have been stunning, and this was when viewed on a 2K monitor. I can only imagine how they look on a 4K screen.

I'll say this having played with one at a Sony store, this is a big camera. This is not your grandpa's handicam! smile.gif
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Hey Ken, I was using a play on words with that photo I took of the AX1 and the HD symbol belongs to a Pany TM900.
In the photo in my last post, the "4K" symbol is sharper than the "HD" symbol on purpose to drive home the point that 4K is sharper than HD.
I'm talking about my own 4K files from the AX1 being played on my pc with a 2560x1440 monitor. I do not have a 4K set.......yet.......wink.gif
I'm going to do some testing with the AX1 along with my Panny TM900 and Canon M41 which are both on the setup rig you see here.


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You dog Blaast! I didn't know you got the AX1!

Speak up guy, tell all. I can see the difference on my 1920x1080 monitor from some clips I've seen that aren't even native clips.

Have you played the clips on a large screen HDTV (not a UHD TV) just to see how they look there? How's the size and weight for handling? It seemed pretty big when I was playing with it at Sony.

What do you see yourself using it for? Inquiring minds want to know! smile.gif

PS- sorry for missing the humor, totally missed the point of that pix. wink.gif
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Ken,

I just literally picked it up and mounted it with my older HD cams. I've shot maybe 2 minutes of video so far.
Work has taken my time from messing around with it. You are right that it is bigger than I thought it would be.

I checked it out at the Sony Store also and was surprised by the size the first time I saw it.
Been reading the online manual and getting myself familiar with all the settings, buttons, etc, you know the drill.smile.gif

I'll be shooting mainly sports (track & field being #1) and then just the usual home, work, events, etc.
Time to archive in 4K, even though I don't have a 4K display yet. Just 2560x1440 for now.

I hope to get some time in with it this weekend for some details.
We've come along ways since the Sony HC1 and HC3 and Canon HV10 haven't we?wink.gif

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Ken,

Time to archive in 4K, even though I don't have a 4K display yet. Just 2560x1440 for now.

I couldn't agree more Blasst. I would really love to start archiving in 4K. It just makes so much sense whether we have a 4K display or not.

From what I've seen, 4K footage from a nice cam, on a 2K display, still looks better in most respects than any 2K camera footage I've seen. Color me jealous. I would probably have made the leap had it not been for the size and weight.

Let us know how your comparisons work out. You're a trailblazer!
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