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assume i buy level 1: g20 or 650v
or assume i buy better : g30 vs pj790v


who can tell some details about them?
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assume i buy level 1: g20 or 650v
or assume i buy better : g30 vs pj790v


who can tell some details about them?

Hi superhero and welcome to the forum. Here is a side-by-side comparison of the equivalent European models, the G25, PJ650V, G30 and PL780V.

At the lower level, I would buy the PJ650V because the HF G20 lacks 1080/60p. The Sony also records at a higher bit rate and has a longer zoom range. If you want to save some money at this level, however, you may want to look at the Panasonic X920. It is the best camera in this class, and costs a couple of hundred dollars less.

At the higher level, I would get the HF G30. It is the best consumer camera on the market. Higher bit rate than the PJ790V, larger sensor, and a better codec selection (AVCHD and MPEG4).

Here is the best HF G30 review I have seen:



Hope this is helpful!

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The HF-G30 is a nice camcorder,i have one but the new bit rates make no difference in video quality over the older models,the video performance even in the highest bit rate is identical to the Canon XA10 i had previously.
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The HF-G30 is a nice camcorder,i have one but the new bit rates make no difference in video quality over the older models,the video performance even in the highest bit rate is identical to the Canon XA10 i had previously.


Even with the 1080/60p mode it is not sharper?

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Even with the 1080/60p mode it is not sharper?

No identical,i dont think 50/60P is meant to add resolution but improve the frame rate for slow motion,but for me 24Mbps is best for editing and gives more card space.Having said that MOV 25P on the EOS M uses a lot of card space more than the HF G30 in 50P mode.
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No identical,i dont think 50/60P is meant to add resolution but improve the frame rate for slow motion,but for me 24Mbps is best for editing and gives more card space.Having said that MOV 25P on the EOS M uses a lot of card space more than the HF G30 in 50P mode.

Yes, the EOS M bitrates are around 45Mbps. It does somewhat gentler compression compared with AVCHD.
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thanks all u guys replay, one more question coming out is what is difference between g30 with xa10 series, look like they had similare series each other, i am lost now.
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thanks all u guys replay, one more question coming out is what is difference between g30 with xa10 series, look like they had similare series each other, i am lost now.

The previous Canon XA 10 is now replaced by the XA20, the previous HF H10/25 models are replaced by the HF G30,the main difference is the XA models have XLR input and a carry handle ,the sensors are the same.
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.superhero10..Have You read the "New Canon HF G30" thread?
I have 4 Canon camcorders. HF S21, HF G10, HF G25 and HF G30. I also have compared files from these cameras with many displays, computers, players and a JVC X30 projector. With HF G30 I always use AVCHD 1080/50p28Mbps because when I shoot cars and Buildings I get much more noise and aliasing jaggies with the 1080/50i24Mbps setting. 25p gives motion artifacts.
I also burn my files to bluray for my friends and they have to put up with the jaggies because I cannot burn bluray in 50p28Mbps yet. I also think 50p28Mbps shows more depth. It´s like comparing a CRT with an old LCD.
The card space is no problem. 32Gb SDHC class10 gives you 150 minutes of 1080/50p28Mbps Movies. I move the files to a 2000Gb harddrive. That is 156 hours. My editing program PowerDirector 11 I use without rendering so the Gb:s are the same after producing a film.
It´s important how you display the files or films from the harddrive. I find WMP direct from the pc is bad. An external HDD connected to a Oppo bd player is better. The Dune smart H1 mediaplayer though is superior picture quality! I have 3. I just move the HDD from the slot in my pc to the slot into the Dune.
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The previous Canon XA 10 is now replaced by the XA20, the previous HF H10/25 models are replaced by the HF G30,the main difference is the XA models have XLR input and a carry handle ,the sensors are the same.


so which one i should buy it g30 or xa?
what is important for xlr input?
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so which one i should buy it g30 or xa?
what is important for xlr input?

Professional mics have what is called a "balanced" XLR output. This means you can use long cable runs to connect them to your camera without introducing noise. In general, professional mics also have better frequency response, higher signal to noise and higher sensitivity than mics with consumer 3.5mm output jacks.

Professional XA series cameras such as the $1699 XA10, $2199 XA20 and $2699 XA25 have built in XLR jacks for professional mics.

Consumer/prosumer HF G series cameras such as the HF G10, $1099 HF G20 and $1699 HF G30 have 3.5mm jacks for consumer mics.

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so which one i should buy it g30 or xa?
what is important for xlr input?

From having the XA10 the only thing i miss on the HF-G30 is the handle which was useful,so if you meen HF-G30 or XA10 i would say HF-G30 every time,there are many improvements,tilting viewfinder,20x lens 50/60P which i dont use personaly as my HF-G30 has identical video PQ in 25P 24Mbps and played direct to to my 50" pana tv the 24Mbps is identical,there is no hard drive which some may miss but i never used the one on my XA10,regarding mics my RSVM gave superb sound with my XA10 and the now the HF-G30 so i never used the XA10s XLR inputs.
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