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The show start January 7th and there should be many cameras shown so here is the first one rumored from Samsung.
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We just got the full specification of upcoming Samsung NX30 mirrorless camera, as we said earlier the upcoming camera will feature Hybrid AF system (Phase+Contrast), take a look at the detailed specification below.

New 20.3 million pixel APSC CMOS (20.3 MP CMOS) (ISO upto 51200)
Hybrid AF system (The Hybrid AF autofocus system)
DRIMe 4 processor (DRIMe IV New Image Engine)
2.3 million pixel Super AMOLED 360 degree rotating LCD touch screen (360 degrees Rotation Super AMOLED with Touch)
2.36 million pixel electronic viewfinder (Electronic viewfinder 2,359 k dots)
1920 × 1080 60P full HD video recording (1080/60p (H.264) Full HD)
Similar NX300 based Tizen system (Tizen system like NX300)
9fps Burst Speed
Integrated microphone input 3.5mm standard interface.
16-50 F2.8s Les is also coming (see more here)
All parameters can be controlled by the camera installed version 3.0 of Samsung Smart Camera App for Apple or Android phones and tablet only
Do not enter the program directly using NFC to transmit photos and videos
There will be a power zoom lens 50-150
External flash 58GN Index
SkyDrive alternative network storage with Dropbox
Pay more attention to the needs of users video
Physical buttons and dials easier to use
Optimize battery use (possibly 1410 mA)
1/8000 shutter speed
http://thenewcamera.com/samsung-nx30-full-specification-leaked/
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The APS-C Samsung NX30 with 16-50mm F2-F2.8 power zoom lens and pull-out, tiltable electronic viewfinder, which boasts 2.4 million dot, XGA (1024 x 768) resolution looks interesting .
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Samsung's NX-series of mirrorless CSC cameras welcomes a new flagship with the NX30. Like its predecessor, the NX20, this new Samsung is styled like an SLR and it sports an improved version of the older camera's 20.3-megapixel APS-C format CMOS sensor. Much else is new, including Samsung's latest connectivity features, the improved hybrid AF system from the NX300, an extendable and tiltable electronic viewfinder, and a 3.5mm jack for external microphones.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/samsung-nx30/samsung-nx30A.HTM








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Wrapping up the announcements from Samsung today were two new pieces of glass, at least one of which might just get your Gear Acquisition Syndrome acting up. The new lenses are a 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 Power Zoom and Samsung’s first ever Premium ‘S’ lens: a 16-50mm f/2-2.8.

Obviously the headline maker is the second of the two. The first and only lens in Samsung’s new premium S-Series, this lens promises “superior optical-technology” for photographers of all skill levels.

With an aperture that never goes darker than f/2.8, built-in OIS, an Ultra-Precise Stepping Motor (UPSM) and internal glass that includes two extra-low dispersion (ED) lenses, three aspherical lenses and two ‘eXreme High Refractive’ (XHR) lenses, the lens is said to produce “ultimate clarity and detail.”
http://petapixel.com/2014/01/02/introducing-samsungs-first-ever-premium-s-lens-16-50mm-f2-2-8-ed-ois/


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Advanced video features make the NX30 the ideal solution for movie makers searching for a compact yet high performing camera. In addition to Full HD Video Stereo Recording, the NX30 supports a standard 3.5mm microphone input for high quality audio capture while shooting movies. The Audio Level Meter appears on the display so you can continuously monitor the input level status while recording. In addition, the input level can be manually adjusted to ensure optimal audio quality. Moreover, the NX30 is also perfect for advanced video enthusiasts because of its HDMI live streaming with Full HD 30p output that makes it easy to connect with a large screen, recorder, and other HDMI devices.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/02/samsung-nx30-adds-tilting-evf-improved-display-more-wi-fi-features


http://www.thephoblographer.com/2014/01/02/first-impressions-samsung-nx30/
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Some 4K news coming from Google at CES.
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YouTube will be demonstrating 4K video at CES in Las Vegas next week, with a twist: The Google-owned video service will be showing off ultra high-definition streaming based on VP9, a new royalty-free codec that Google has been developing as an alternative to the H.265 video codec that’s at the core of many other 4K implementations.
http://gigaom.com/2014/01/02/youtube-4k-streaming-vp9/
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Video showing the NX30 features like tilting EVF, NFC/Wi--Fi etc:
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Sadly, it doesn't look like it has a headphone jack. Does anyone know whether they've lifted the 30 minute time limit?
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"Full HD 30p" is "perfect for advanced video enthusiasts" only in the world of advertising.
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It is not like an "advanced anything" is going to be using a Samsung camera. That is wishful thinking on their part.
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I might have said the same thing about "advanced" Panasonic hybrid still/video cameras 5 years ago.

I would have been interested in this camera if they had included just a little more capability. A headphone jack would have been nice. A neutral density filter and unlimited clip length would have made a real statement that they were serious about video. Still holding out hope that they've lifted the 30 minute restriction.

That said, the RX10 and GH3 are already a generation ahead of this camera, so Samsung has a very long row to hoe.

But they are a very persistent company. Lest we forget, they started out behind in TVs and smartphones too - and that has turned out pretty well for them smile.gif
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"Full HD 30p" is "perfect for advanced video enthusiasts" only in the world of advertising.
That is for uncompressed 4:2:0 HDMI output but it shoots in 1080p60.


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Sony's compact FDR-AX100 4K Handycam ships in March for $2,000 (hands-on) :
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If you're in the market for an affordable 4K camcorder, you probably won't do much better than Sony's FDR-AX100 Handycam.

The AX100 is a reasonable alternative to Sony's recently announced AX1. This compact CES model is considerably more portable, with a 74 percent reduction in size and a 66 percent drop in weight. There's a 14.2-megapixel 1-inch Exmor R CMOS sensor and a BIONZ X processor, enabling full-resolution 4K shooting at 24p and 30p with XAVC S encoding. There's an optically stabilized Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* lens with 12x optical zoom and a seven-bladed aperture, which Sony claims should offer some significant bokeh. A new My Voice Canceling feature reduces vocals from behind the camera, serving to minimize capturing the videographer's own voice. There's a 3.5-inch (921k-dot) LCD and an OLED viewfinder for framing; 1/4, 1/16 and 1/64 ND filters; WiFi with smartphone control; and output to a 4K TV via a single HDMI cable. Sony's Handycam AX100 4K camcorder is set to ship in March for $2,000.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/sony-ax100-4k-handycam/


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Sony's compact FDR-AX100 4K Handycam ships in March for $2,000 (hands-on) :
http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/sony-ax100-4k-handycam/

sony hdr-cx900 without the 4k. I hope sony put the balanced optical stabilization into hdr-cx900 and fdr-ax100

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=cx900&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
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Lens comparison of the 4K FDR-AX100 vs the RX10 (both have 1" sensors and 62mm filter size) :


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Some videos on the new camera :


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It looks like demand will be high for the first 4K camcorder under $2K.

" Note on Availability: Due to high demand we anticipate being unable to fulfill all customer orders with our first allocation. Product supply from Sony is very limited. Your place in line will be maintained, and we will not charge your credit card until we ship the product. "
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-FDRAX100-Video-Camera-3-5-Inch/dp/B00HNJWVIA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1389063652&sr=8-4&keywords=Sony+FDR-AX100+4K
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4K Ultra HD Video at 30 fps
1" Exmor R CMOS Sensor
20MP Still Images
XAVC S, AVCHD, and MP4 Recording Options
Zeiss Vario Sonnar T* Lens

12x Optical Zoom & 24x Clear Image Zoom
BIONZ X Processor / High Speed 120 fps
Optical SteadyShot Image Stabilization
0.39" OLED EVF / 3.5" XtraFine LCD
Wi-Fi / NFC Connectivity
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1022653-REG/sony_fdrax100_b_hdr_ax100_full_hd_handycam.html


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Thanks, jogiba. No shade of doubt Sony will be selling boatloads of this cam. Just wondering how badly the FDR-AX1 will do.
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I'd really be interested if it did 4K @60p, but only 30p is a non-starter for me. Bet the next gen will have it.
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I just preorded my FDR-AX100 from amazon, very excited to finally get 4k with a big sensor in a camcorder package. Sony's 1" BSI sensors are amazing! I'll be surprised if the FDR-AX100 doesn't produce better video quality than the FDR-AX1, and far better low light than any existing consumer camcorder.
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panasonics w850 can record 1080p @ 120fps. its not clear if you can record in it exclusively or if its a 12 second clip like sonys
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Presently I don't care for 4K. Would rather prefer 10-bit 4:2:2, like AVC Long-G (obviously, not mentioned on the Sony's comparison below) or XAVC Long 4:2:2 @ 50 Mbit/s. Any of the new consumer Sony cams shoot something like this? I know that the GH3 supposedly shoots Long-G at 50 Mbit/s, but is it 4:2:2?

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I would say wait till the end of the 2014/early 2015 when the dust settles. There will be a lot more options by then, I imagine that most of the big manufacturers will have 4K prosumer cameras as mainstream at that point, with regular consumer versions following soon after that. There will be many more options, plus you will get the advantage of seeing how the various solutions stack up against each other. Being a first adopter is not really a great idea unless you have the money to replace your cameras on an annual basis.

Photokina in Sept 2014 will be the big release of most of them. That should be an interesting event in terms of news.
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I just preorded my FDR-AX100 from amazon, very excited to finally get 4k with a big sensor in a camcorder package. Sony's 1" BSI sensors are amazing! I'll be surprised if the FDR-AX100 doesn't produce better video quality than the FDR-AX1, and far better low light than any existing consumer camcorder.

Hatchback, where did you see it on Amazon? I did a search on Amazon and came up empty.

Edit: I found it. I just looked at the Sony promotional video that Jogiba linked to this camera. The detail is absolutely unreal and this was viewing on a 2K monitor. I may have to reevaluate my 'no go' for 30p. biggrin.gif
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Presently I don't care for 4K. Would rather prefer 10-bit 4:2:2, like AVC Long-G (obviously, not mentioned on the Sony's comparison below) or XAVC Long 4:2:2 @ 50 Mbit/s. Any of the new consumer Sony cams shoot something like this? I know that the GH3 supposedly shoots Long-G at 50 Mbit/s, but is it 4:2:2?


So, you should choose the BMPCC - shoots 10-bit 4:2:2 Pro Res, 220Mbps. Or, RAW if you really want to maximize quality. The GH3 is not 4:2:2.

Or, if you want 4K and 4:2:2, 10-bit (or RAW), wait for the Black Magic Production Camera 4K, which will likely arrive before the Sony. Uses Canon EF lenses.
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The BMCC/PC are not ergonomic cameras though, so I suspect that they are not solutions suitable for most users here.

Plus, he was asking about consumer cameras, so the BMPC will not be competitive price wise there either.
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220 Mbit/s is too much for me, I have all my HDDs filled up, need to buy another one. I would prefer something around 50-75 Mbit/s.

Anyway, 2014 seems to be the year of greater leaps than five years before it. In fact, anything that is not interlaced SD is already good enough, everything else is just another 0.1 second off 0-60 time. No hurry ;-)
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The Sony HDR-AS100VR POV Action Cam + Live View Remote Bundle looks great since it shoots 4K 60fps XAVC-S (50Mbps) !
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Product Highlights

Record up to 4K XAVC-S Video at 60 fps
Capture 13.5MP Stills with Photo Mode
Back-Illuminated Exmor R CMOS Sensor
Built-In GPS & Wi-Fi Connectivity
One-Touch NFC Smartphone Pairing

Included Housing is Waterproof to 16.4'
Wide-Angle Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar Lens
SteadyShot Image Stabilization
HDMI Output & Stereo Microphone Input
Memory Stick Micro & MicroSD/SDHC Slot

Shoot Pro-Quality 4K/60p Video in XAVC-S (50 Mbps)
Pro-quality XAVC-S 4K recording with 50 Mbps high bit-rate data transfer enables the HDR-AS100VR to capture quick action with smooth image motion. The HDR-AS100VR also supports 24p high-speed 120 fps and 240 fps shooting with sound. Additionally, users can shoot video in the easily shareable MP4 HD format, which is ideal for the web.
3840 x 2160p / 60 fps (50Mbps)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1022319-REG/sony_hdr_as100vr_w_hdr_as100v_pov_action_cam.html


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Competition for GoPro?
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The Sony HDR-AS100VR POV Action Cam + Live View Remote Bundle looks great since it shoots 4K 60fps XAVC-S (50Mbps) !
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1022319-REG/sony_hdr_as100vr_w_hdr_as100v_pov_action_cam.html


B&H has changed the specs from 4K to 1080p in the last hour or so.
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The BMCC/PC are not ergonomic cameras though, so I suspect that they are not solutions suitable for most users here

I'm pretty much done with carrying mutiple lenses, worrying about whether or not they have OIS and, as you say, poor ergonomics. For me this takes the fun out of shooting and was a factor in me going with the RX10.

The output I saw from the little Sony 4K is really 'wow' kind of PQ. I really like the idea of archiving in 4K now and still seeing better detail down sampled to 2K. With a 3 stage ND filter, OLED VF and other goodies, this is a pretty impressive package.

Just wish it were 60p @ UHD resolutions.
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Hi

Nothing from Panasonic in the way of new camcorders. Just one that takes a picture of you taking a picture of something else, is that the best they could come up with? And a few tweaks here and there.

The last thing of innovation that has come from Panasonic was the TM700 with 1080/60P, 4 years ago (ignoring the 3D gimmicky strap on lens), the rest has really been marketing and tweaks, they haven't even managed to develop new silicon so they could do away with the fans in their higher end 3MOS cams. mad.gif

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They will probably have a 4k camera out towards the end of the year as well, just not right now.
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