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Old 12-30-2013, 05:51 PM - Thread Starter
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Seems like this has not been discussed for some time.
Is there media player with USB on the market that reliably plays 1080 60p files?
My PS3 died. It did not play 1080 60p well anyway frown.gif
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Bob, some of the Blu Ray players like some Panasonics & Sonys have a USB slot. If you load your files on to an SDHC card and insert a USB media reader into this slot, you'll get 1080 60p playback. I've used both a Sony & Panasonic for this purpose.
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My Panasonic BD player hard drive recorder [PAL]wont play 50P from any input ,its 14 months old,my PS3 does not have a card input so i dont know if it will play true 50P,almost certainly not imo.
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MultiAVCHD(free tool) will author non compliant 1080 50/60P Blu-ray or AVCHD discs with full Menu & Chapters.
Output can be burned with ImgBurn(free tool) to DVD R/RW or BD-R/RE discs for playback in AVCHD-ready players.
The BD and AVCHD Media plays without any problems on my Sony PS3 and Samsung BD-C6900.
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Hi

The Pioneer BDP-160 will play 1080/50P (I'm in 50Hz land) via DLNA encoded at over 40Mbits/sec so should work fine. Not tried MultiAVCHD non standard Blu-ray discs yet.

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I did order this: Sony BDPBX510 3D Wi-Fi Blu-ray/DVD Player

http://www.costco.com/Sony-BDPBX510-3D-Wi-Fi-Blu-rayDVD-Player.product.100044304.html

Will see how it works.
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I did order this: Sony BDPBX510 3D Wi-Fi Blu-ray/DVD Player

http://www.costco.com/Sony-BDPBX510-3D-Wi-Fi-Blu-rayDVD-Player.product.100044304.html

Will see how it works.
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The Pioneer BDP-160 will play 1080/50P (I'm in 50Hz land) via DLNA encoded at over 40Mbits/sec so should work fine. Not tried MultiAVCHD non standard Blu-ray discs yet.

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Confirmed.

Sony BDPBX510 3D Wi-Fi Blu-ray/DVD Player easy plays 1080 60p files. I have tried native .M2TS and .MPEG4.
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Confirmed.

Sony BDPBX510 3D Wi-Fi Blu-ray/DVD Player easy plays 1080 60p files. I have tried native .M2TS and .MPEG4.

Did you feed it the 60p files on a DVD disk, a Blu-Ray disk, memory stick, HDD or what?

Thanks.

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Bill, they'll play them all. Cheapest and most effective media players around. It's funny that most people overlook them.

The only problem I've found is that Sony BD players have some trouble with Panasonic AVCHD just as the PS3 does. There's something different about Panny's implementation that makes it tougher to play.
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I run this through front USB. Out of camera .M2TS, Edited, .MTS, Edited .MPEG4. All 1080 60p, all 28mbs.
Neither PS3 or XBOX 360 played them well.
I have plenty of Panasonic 60p files and going to try them too.
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Bill, they'll play them all. Cheapest and most effective media players around. It's funny that most people overlook them.

The only problem I've found is that Sony BD players have some trouble with Panasonic AVCHD just as the PS3 does. There's something different about Panny's implementation that makes it tougher to play.
Thanks. One of my BD Players is a Pannasonic BD30. I bought it shortly after the HD disk war ended. It is time to upgrade it! As old as it is, it still plays Blu-Rays well.
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I run this through front USB. Out of camera .M2TS, Edited, .MTS, Edited .MPEG4. All 1080 60p, all 28mbs.
Neither PS3 or XBOX 360 played them well.
I have plenty of Panasonic 60p files and going to try them too.
Thanks. It is time for me to do some shopping.
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Hi

Just to add the Pioneer BDP-160 will play 1080/60P footage at up to 40Mbits/sec from a Blu-ray disc. I used multiAVCHD to author the disc as it doesn't bulk at the non-standard 60P or want to re-encode it and the Pioneer was very happy to play it.

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Hi Bob and crew - have any of you tested raw 1080p/60fps m2ts files that were created by a Panasonic camcorder? I have loads of these and am looking for a playback solution that will not force reduction of the framerate from 60fps to 30fps.

Thanks in advance,

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Hi Bob and crew - have any of you tested raw 1080p/60fps m2ts files that were created by a Panasonic camcorder? I have loads of these and am looking for a playback solution that will not force reduction of the framerate from 60fps to 30fps.
Both of my Sony BD players successfully play Panasonic's files after passing them through tsMuxer - fast, no re-encoding, just some repackaging.

You are going to edit your video anyway, aren't you? So instead of a zillion of small clips you can render a single one compatible with your player.
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No immediate plans to edit; it's all home video footage. I have SO MUCH footage that I'd prefer to just play it all back without remuxing. I'm looking at Panasonic's offerings, but their manuals and customer service provide conflicting answers when it comes to the units' abilities to play 1080p/60fps m2ts files. Sounds like Pioneer's line might be an option, too. Hoping to test a few models soon in a local Best Buy or hhgregg.

Ideally, I'd like to play 1080p/60fps m2ts files from BluRay data discs AND from USB drives.
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No immediate plans to edit; it's all home video footage.
Which is usuallyu boring to watch withoug editing, unless, of course, you shoot Straight Eight style, but then you need a player that is capable of seamless transition from one clip to another. AFAIK, most (all?) players do show an irritating black screen when moving from one clip to the next when you watch just clips without extra linking data. Mastering the whole thing as a proper BDMV or AVCHD disc might help, but MultiAVCHD for example does not support more than 256 clips, so dumping 5-second clips onto a 25 GB disc and making it a proper BD title would not work - half a disc space will be wasted.

This is the road I wanted to take before, then I decided it was not worth it. I dump the clips to storage, be it external USB drives or BDs, just for storing the originals, and I create one or two edited videos to watch.
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It's starting to sound like we're kindred spirits when it comes to this stuff. Given that I haven't physically tested any players that support playback of m2ts files recorded at 1080p/60fps, I haven't witnessed the (undoubtedly annoying) black screen when moving from one file to the next, but I'm sure it'd get really old when playing so many short clips back-to-back.

What's your software of choice for editing 1080p/60fps video? And what's your preferred output file type (that preserves the 1080p res and 60fps framerate)?

Out of curiosity, do you typically create a video disc on BD with your finished, edited product (not sure if 1080p/60fps video disc is even possible on BluRay), or do you copy it to a BD data disc and/or USB drive? I've been reading that most people end up viewing their finished 1080p/60fps video as a data file, as they couldn't create video discs without reducing the video's framerate to 30fps.

Hey - thanks a lot for continuing this convo. It's *much* appreciated after scouring the web for answers and coming back with conflicting theories.
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I recommend the Dune HD Base 3D as mediaplayer. The Picture quality is better than the players in my Pc. After the transition of the 1080/50p clips with TMPGEnc or Power Director I move the produced file (mp4 or m2ts) on the HDD from the slot in my pc to the Dune. I can of course use an external USB HDD instead.
I burned some 1080/50p BD-R discs with TMPGEnc but the bitrate lowered from 28-35mbps to around 20mbps. Also the only reason to burn BD-R is to give away to friends, but they don´t have players that can play 50p so I burn the BD-R:s in 1080/50i 24mbps. Probably Dune will have a 4K mediaplayer out soon...

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What's your software of choice for editing 1080p/60fps video? And what's your preferred output file type (that preserves the 1080p res and 60fps framerate)?
I edit with Sony Vegas 11. I output to either MTS or MP4 or WMV, container does not really matter, it depends on the target device. I usually encode with AVC codec.
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Out of curiosity, do you typically create a video disc on BD with your finished, edited product (not sure if 1080p/60fps video disc is even possible on BluRay), or do you copy it to a BD data disc and/or USB drive?
I used to make AVCHD discs - basically BDMV on DVD media with bitrate about 20 to 26 Mbit/s. That is what I did:
But I stopped doing this. I made only one proper BD disc just for kicks. Nowadays I either upload the edited file to YouTube or Vimeo, or watch it from a USB-connected drive or card. I make DVD-Video discs for family and friends. Presently I prefer shooting in 24p because it looks good enough on DVD-Video, whereas 60p is not supported by DVD-Video, and 30i DVD looks very bad on a 50-inch plasma.
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I've been reading that most people end up viewing their finished 1080p/60fps video as a data file, as they couldn't create video discs without reducing the video's framerate to 30fps.
720p60 is perfectly legal for BD and looks great. Or convert to 1080i30, although I hate interlaced video. Also, most modern BD players can play 1080p60 either as data file or mastered as BD/AVCHD title. BTW, YouTube promised to enable proper 60p streaming, but they did not set the date. They have some test videos in 60p.
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Thanks for the info, everyone. I got a good deal on the Panasonic DMP-BD91, tested it out - it plays 1080p/60fps m2ts files like a champ. However, I hadn't realized that the player doesn't have optical out, which is a must for my audio setup, so it's back to Sears for this unit. Hoping to get the DMP-BDT360, but I don't think they carry it.

Oh, how I WISH the PS4 would play these files! I'd buy one today, no questions asked.
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