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So how much of the filming was done with a GoPro? (I recognized the signature 'curved verticals' on many of the shots.) Which model?
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So how much of the filming was done with a GoPro? (I recognized the signature 'curved verticals' on many of the shots.) Which model?
Quite a bit was done with it. Many are of the same scenes interspersed with the AX-100. If you use the "linear" setting, there is no distortion. I have the latest model - the Hero 5. The footage was shot at 2.7 K. Only complaint I had was that the sound on the GoPro is poor and really bad about allowing background audio drown out the primary source.
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I have the latest model - the Hero 5.
I'm thinking about getting this model, especially now that it has an accessory 'stabilizing' handle available. I bought, and still have, the original GoPro -- but it had too many limitations to really make much use of it -- but this model seems to be very much better.

The quality of the images was good, although it doesn't seem to handle low light so well.

The Rome/Pompeii trip (along with Herculaneum) is something that I intend taking sometime in the next few years. Did you organize the sight-seeing before you left home, or when you arrived?
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The whole tour was a guided tour. I did very little on my own. Since our hotel was just down the block from the Coliseum, I did go there on my own before the whole group went the next day. If you don't go on a organized tour, be sure you go on line before you arrive and arrange for your tickets. Otherwise, there is a long line to purchase them, and I'm not sure that you can get the main floor entrance on site like you can with a prepurchased ticket.
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I've had the AX100 now for about a year and a half and have a few questions and observations.

Has anyone had the camera power turn off while recording? I've run into this twice now where the battery failed and have two dead files. I contacted Sony but they weren't much help. They directed me to some restore software but that appeared to be for Sony SD cards as it asked me what the serial number and model of the Sony SD card I had. I'm using Lexar cards so I didn't know what to put in to download the software.

It's my understanding that restore software isn't going to fix this issue as the file has to be completely reparsed.

The other thing I'm trying to understand is the sensor. It's what's referred to as a 1"-type sensor (which of course is no where near 1" diagonally or otherwise, but it follows the same 1/4, 1/2 sensor size relation which those aren't really that big either. It's more like .65" diagonally or 16mm which is all fine. It captures great images and low light is pretty good.)

But what does it use for 4K? Sony states 14.2MP which would indicate a crop of some kind. I tested with a Large photo which is 5968x3352 which is 1.78 or 16x9 (and switching to 4:3 is only 15mp and there is a visual crop for 4:3 so it's indeed a 16x9 sensor) so the full sensor is 16x9 but confusingly that can't be if Sony states the sensor is 13.2x8.8mm which is 1.5 so it must crop for photos some too? In order to be a 16x9 sensor you would need 16mm wide but it's not, so it appears it's a 3:2 sensor really, but it doesn't use that portion for video or photos in this camera, it would be cropped out altogether top and bottom some (maybe it does use full 3:2 in RX cameras, IDK).

For 4K and I've switched between photo and video I don't see a visual crop of any kind in the image so maybe it's cropping with processing, downsampling the image to 14.2MP? Of course it has to downsample the image somehow to record into 8.3mp frame for 4K but it doesn't appear to change the field of view or portion of sensor to do that, which is nice. If it is just downsampling, I'm glad that's the case so the full sensor is still used or at least the 16x9 portion of sensor is used.

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Compared to this AX100 vs. AX53, which one is an ideal daily Youtuber? I was thinking of either GH5 or AX53 and any recommendation? Thanks
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Compared to this AX100 vs. AX53, which one is an ideal daily Youtuber? I was thinking of either GH5 or AX53 and any recommendation? Thanks
Why is your choice set limited to those three? Those are certainly not the only or the best choices depending on what you are going to do.

We need to know with as much detail as possible what you will be doing with your camera/camcorder in order to suggest something. Every cameras differs in what it does best.
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Compared to this AX100 vs. AX53, which one is an ideal daily Youtuber?
What do 'Youtubers' do that's different?
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If I had to choose between the AX100 and AX53 to shoot "YouTubers" videos which I guess mean a combination between pointing the camera at myself talking alternating with swinging the camera around shooting something else whie walking then the AX53 would be my pick. I don't know if you have tried shooting at yourself while talking and doing other things? If you haven't I can tell you the thing would strain your wrist and arm pretty quickly unless what you use to shoot is both small and light. The camera's ability to hold focus especially on your face is also very important and in this respect I think both are about equal from my experience (very good, and reliable as most newer real camcorders are though may not be as fast and as responsive as the phase detection systems on Canon DSLRs and the Sony A7R or A6500).

You can find probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions, "YouTubers" video nowadays but so few that are done right. This says a lot about not only the lack of good content but also about the lack of filming technique/suitable equipment and maybe the fact that shooting this kind of stuff is not as fun as it looks in the videos.

And whatever camera you get, don't forget either a small table top tripod foldable into a handholdable grip, dedicated pistol grip or one of those Gorillapod-like flexible props to mount your camera while pointing the camera at yourself. Without one of these it would be even less fun.
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Well it has been a few hours since I ripped the FDR-AX100 out of the box.

That was written on 03-19-2014. And it was an awesome moment!! And never filmed in HD again.

The camera is still performing great and there is still nothing in sight that gets close to the video quality in a camcorder. In years past I would upgrade about every two years.

At the time I bought 4 after market FV100 Vivitar batteries, 3 were replaced a few weeks ago because of self discharging to near zero after app 4 month storage. The 4th one gets down to 90% so is still fine. Replaced with Wasabi brand. Sony included battery is still OK, same 90% after 4 month, rarely used.. Each of the Vivitar FV100 batteries had seen at least 100 hrs of service.

The big problem, there is no software reasonably priced that will burn UHD BR. I get around this by burning a 264 or 265 4K file on a BR disc and the Samsung 8500 will play it just fine. It even will play, in 4K, files burned to a 4.7GB disc.

Cyberlink will come out with a new Power Director version 16 around Sept. , hopefully that will include 4K UHD burning. I still use PD14.

Anyone aware of UHD software?

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[QUOTE=Eugene157;54584328]Well it has been a few hours since I ripped the FDR-AX100 out of the box.

That was written on 03-19-2014. And it was an awesome moment!! And never filmed in HD again.

The camera is still performing great and there is still nothing in sight that gets close to the video quality in a camcorder. In years past I would upgrade about every two years.

At the time I bought 4 after market FV100 Vivitar batteries, 3 were replaced a few weeks ago because of self discharging to near zero after app 4 month storage. The 4th one gets down to 90% so is still fine. Replaced with Wasabi brand. Sony included battery is still OK, same 90% after 4 month, rarely used.. Each of the Vivitar FV100 batteries had seen at least 100 hrs of service.

The big problem, there is no software reasonably priced that will burn UHD BR. I get around this by burning a 264 or 265 4K file on a BR disc and the Samsung 8500 will play it just fine. It even will play, in 4K, files burned to a 4.7GB disc.

Cyberlink will come out with a new Power Director version 16 around Sept. , hopefully that will include 4K UHD burning. I still use PD14.

Anyone aware of UHD software?
Agree Cyberlink is pretty good,as for nothing getting close the the AX100s video quality i reckon cams like http://www.dronesforless.co.uk/camco...h14KAu5EAQYAiA will.
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Was not aware of that camera, the specs look very impressive and the street price too.

But it has serious problems with debayering, pretty bad. Result is mushy detail plus extra spurious (moire) noise.

Unfortunately the AX100 does not allow adjustment of video sharpening. But it is still top tier in PQ.






Pan AG-UX180, lousy 4K but likely a good HD camcorder.



AX-100 looks much cleaner, both luminance and chroma.




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Don't know if the AX100 would be the last great Sony consumer camcorder. The fact it has had such legs to last in the past 3+ years says something not only about the well-rounded features and design but also the dirt of equivalent competition in the market where everyone else but Sony and Panasonic seems to have abandoned true video camcorders.

Agreed with you the lack of sharpening control to dial down the rather high edge enhancement level by maybe just a bit is the downside, along with the lack of contrast/gamma control to also dial down the default high contrast level and especially harsh highlight rolloff. But in all, still an excellent 4K camcorder for the size and for $1,500.
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Don't know if the AX100 would be the last great Sony consumer camcorder. The fact it has had such legs to last in the past 3+ years says something not only about the well-rounded features and design but also the dirt of equivalent competition in the market where everyone else but Sony and Panasonic seems to have abandoned true video camcorders.......
Maybe there is hope that adoption of H.265 and 4K at 60fps will inspire some new consumer camcorder choices in the next year or two.
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Was not aware of that camera, the specs look very impressive and the street price too.

But it has serious problems with debayering, pretty bad. Result is mushy detail plus extra spurious (moire) noise.

Unfortunately the AX100 does not allow adjustment of video sharpening. But it is still top tier in PQ.






Pan AG-UX180, lousy 4K but likely a good HD camcorder.



AX-100 looks much cleaner, both luminance and chroma.



Mm i am surprised if those results are cosha,but my RX10iii resolves a bit more detail than my GH5 but overal the the GH5s picture quality is better.
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Well it has been a few hours since I ripped the FDR-AX100 out of the box.

That was written on 03-19-2014. And it was an awesome moment!! And never filmed in HD again.


Yes, it's been quite a while since I got my AX100, having placed a pre-order shortly after its announcement.

Apart from a few shots on my 1080p iPhone, it's been 4K all the way since then.

So -- 3 years on and there's nothing to compare with it at that price point.

I spent most of last year (2016) filming with a dji Osmo (4K, fantasic stabiliser, and lots of undocumented features i.e. 'bugs'), but this year it's back to the AX100.

I think that I'll stick with the AX100 until an affordable 6k or 8k camcorder comes along so that I can get great 4K after editing.

At the time I bought 4 after market FV100 Vivitar batteries, 3 were replaced a few weeks ago because of self discharging to near zero after app 4 month storage.

Looking through my 'battery box' I see that I have batteries from Sony, Duracell, Jupio, and Wasabi. So far as I know, they're still recharging OK -- but I should test them at some stage.
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This is the GH5, looks good but softer.
But a camcorder is so much more versatile for doing video.




AX100, $#@! the video sharpening, it brings up noise too but I learned to live with it, like turning down the detail on the TV.



Here is a video taken after I owned the camera for 40 days, using point and shoot. Wish I had reduced exposure by 1/2 fstop, I do that now on all outdoor videos.


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This is the GH5, looks good but softer.
But a camcorder is so much more versatile for doing video.




AX100, $#@! the video sharpening, it brings up noise too but I learned to live with it, like turning down the detail on the TV.



Here is a video taken after I owned the camera for 40 days, using point and shoot. Wish I had reduced exposure by 1/2 fstop, I do that now on all outdoor videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD1lwj_iGvM

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I thought I would miss the extremely sharp Ax100 picture, but so far the GH5 seems sharp enough. But, are you aware that you can go into the settings and make a personal profile that includes additional sharpening for you on the GH5?
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Yes Each photo style of the GH5 has adjustments for all the usual things including sharpness.
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BIG NEWS !! The FDR-AX-700 (and more!): http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-l...4k-camcorders/
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A rumor site?

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Yes, with a good reputation.
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It better shoot 4K 60p or what is the point ? The new iPhone shoots 4K 60p for $699 and up.
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It better shoot 4K 60p or what is the point ? The new iPhone shoots 4K 60p for $699 and up.
You're absolutely right, my DJI Phantom also shoot 4K in 60(50)P

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