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Many thanks for the helpful answers.

I will probably go for two extra FV70s and not keep all my eggs in one basket. Also, the size and weight of the 100 worries me a bit.
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It has also answered my questions on batteries. Though I am interested in seeing lightning night or day shot with the ax100 and my other questions answered as there is so much knowledge in this thread!
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I am surprised at all the fuss about battery weight and size.

Quote:"Also, the size and weight of the 100 worries me a bit. "

The FV70 weighs 3 oz.at 1.96 AH. Camera indicates 1Hr 48 min operating time.

The FV 100 (aftermarket) weights 4 oz at double the capacity. Camera indicates 3Hr 56min operating time.

The height of a FV 100 is only about 30% more than a FV 70.

2 FV 70 batteries weigh MORE and occupy MORE volume and cost MORE than 1 FV 100

So, my 2ea Vivitar FV 100 weigh only 2 oz more, about 50% more volume, yet double the operating time compared to 2 ea FV 70.

???????????


As mentioned before I have 4 ea FV 100 plus two chargers, I think I have about 7 cycles on all of them.


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I filmed an entire wedding with one battery and one 64GB extreme pro 95MB/s.
Got approx 2h of footage and had one dot left on battery.

Use it wisely and don't keep it on until you will film and you're safe.

Filmed a car event, was out all night as well as all day following. Not even close to empty..

With all rigs, extras, mattebox, follow focus etc this cam is sooo light weight. I usually put all above but if I wanna go light, I can. Less than 2lb/1kg.

Get a decent monopod instead of making your arms tired.

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Leamus, what do you think of the NP-FV100 on the AX100. I am interested to know if the physical size is an issue. I have read elsewhere that this battery unbalances the camera. Another wrote that it interferes with the viewfinder. What do you (or anyone else) think? Would I be better off with two NP-FV70's.

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Sorry for late but I am in vacation. No problem so far with the fv100. It doesn't unbalance the camera and doesn't obstruct the viewfinder. Also it lasts much more than the fv70.
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Just went outside to check the EVF with the FV-100 battery. I wear glasses and find no problem using the EVF other than it it not being bright enough for me, especially in the CA sunshine. Unfortunately there is no brightness adjustment!!.

The led viewfinder is operated in the HI mode.

As to balance, my FV 100 is only 1 oz heavier than the FV-70, so no problem either. The provide a stable picture I always use two hands anyway.

Just placed my Panasonic HC-X900M on eBay, surprisingly had two offers within an hour, one just a bit below asking price. Hate to part with it, has so many great features like a fantastic 5 axis ISS and 1000 lines per picture height resolution in 60P mode.

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Just went outside to check the EVF with the FV-100 battery. I wear glasses and find no problem using the EVF other than it it not being bright enough for me, especially in the CA sunshine. Unfortunately there is no brightness adjustment!!.

The led viewfinder is operated in the HI mode.

As to balance, my FV 100 is only 1 oz heavier than the FV-70, so no problem either. The provide a stable picture I always use two hands anyway.

Just placed my Panasonic HC-X900M on eBay, surprisingly had two offers within an hour, one just a bit below asking price. Hate to part with it, has so many great features like a fantastic 5 axis ISS and 1000 lines per picture height resolution in 60P mode.

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Thanks for this report. However, the FV100 weighs almost 1/4 lb more than the FV70 (exactly 3.5 oz), not 1 oz more.
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The Sony Fv-70 weighs 3 oz and my Vivitar aftermarket FV-100 weighs 4 oz.

No idea why my FV 100 weighs so much less, the camera tells me 4+ hrs of operation and that is what I get.

The FV-100 was bought on eBay, 2ea plus charger for under $40.00, battery rated at 4.9Ah and according to the camera that number appears to be in the ball park.

One more surprise item, the rate of self discharge appears to be lower than what I read on some post for the Sony.

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I have been unable to use the EVF. It is extremely dim. Even the screen is brighter.
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Chenderson, I will put that problem on the Sony website perhaps someone will read it and maybe do something. Especially if there is more than one complaint.

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Chenderson, I will put that problem on the Sony website perhaps someone will read it and maybe do something. Especially if there is more than one complaint.

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Surely you jest. I've had nothing but arguments with Sony ever since I bought their 4K TV and it wouldn't deliver 4K from Youtube or Netfix and the usb and SD slots were dead on their server and the USB ports on the TV are not 4K ready. Then, I purchase the FDR AX100 and expect Sony reward points and don't get them either. Sony really doesn't care.
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The viewfinder is excellent

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I have been unable to use the EVF. It is extremely dim. Even the screen is brighter.

That is very odd. I shot 6 videos (scores of hours) in multiple cities in China, indoors in very dim light and outdoors in bright light, exclusively using the viewfinder. It is excellent.

One nice feature of the viewfinder, not exclusive to the AX100, is that you can choose to use it with or without your spectacles (if you use them), since there is a diopter adjust. Using the viewfinder also helps with stability.


Gene: Are you going to put my statement on the Sony web site too, or do you just post complaints? Btw, I think it is not a good idea to post other people's complaints or compliments, as you have no idea of their validity.

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I suggested that he, Chenderson, complain about it too, (especially if there is more than one complaint)

I have already complained about it with Sony and B+H months ago.. And have brought it up on this forum shortly after I got the camera.
And I plan to voice that complaint again.

And no, I would not mention your statement either, that is up to you.

And I do not need a lecture about good manners!

Your statement however makes me wonder if Sony increased the brightness. I got one of the first cameras, not even V1. Just out of curiosity I checked the brightness of the HC-X900M and there is no comparison.

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Thanks for this report. However, the FV100 weighs almost 1/4 lb more than the FV70 (exactly 3.5 oz), not 1 oz more.
There will be a difference in weight between genuine Sony batteries and the non-Sony equivalents. The non-Sony's will not be as well made and will not perform as well. That's why they are so much cheaper. I have had experience with this on the Panasonic side. I think it is worth spending the extra for a genuine, properly performing battery. They will probably have a longer lifespan as well.
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I have been unable to use the EVF. It is extremely dim. Even the screen is brighter.
This has got to be a fault and you should call Sony Service.

I intend using the EVF most of the time, like markr041, and if I find it to be in any way lacking, back the camera will go. Sony themselves, along with all of the reviews I have seen, praise the OLED EVF on this camera. It should be very good.
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That is very odd. I shot 6 videos (scores of hours) in multiple cities in China, indoors in very dim light and outdoors in bright light, exclusively using the viewfinder. It is excellent.

One nice feature of the viewfinder, not exclusive to the AX100, is that you can choose to use it with or without your spectacles (if you use them), since there is a diopter adjust. Using the viewfinder also helps with stability.


Gene: Are you going to put my statement on the Sony web site too, or do you just post complaints? Btw, I think it is not a good idea to post other people's complaints or compliments, as you have no idea of their validity.
I tried with and without my glasses and it is just too dim to be of practical use. The view screen, however, is quite good except in bright light.
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Lest everyone think I am just a complainer, I must give very high praise to Sony for the AX100 over all. It produces some excellent video. It is just the TV that I have had so many issues with - and with Sony's general attitude about it.
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I have been unable to use the EVF. It is extremely dim. Even the screen is brighter.
I've shot in the brightest of light and never had an issue with the EVF brightness. Now if we're talking about the swing-out LCD, that's a different story, but that's the reason I don't favor cameras that don't also have a EVF.
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Good morning all.

The video produced by the camera is outstanding, most owners agree on that and I have said so here and on the Sony and B+H websites.
There are 4 items that bothered me

1) poor stability system, when compared to other cameras I owned, including Sony
2) slow focus, taken care of with the update to V2
3) inability to adjust brightness in EVF
4) inability to adjust items like video sharpening, color saturation etc, simply a 0 $ cost software item, courtesy of their sales department.

I will try to find a store, Sony or Best Buy that carries the camera and compare the EVF brightness.

As to the cost of their batteries, chargers etc.,it is mostly their huge markup that accounts for the price difference.

We recently took a day trip to the Santa Monica Pier and I sometimes play the video taken just to enjoy the overall picture quality. Still a wow factor.

And the problems with their 2013 4K TV's are well known.

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Thanks for your comments Ken.
Perhaps others can comment on the EVF ??

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I also have a problem with the AX100 EVF in bright light. In bright light, I can get the framing approximately right but can't judge focus or exposure. It's a shame that the EVF doesn't have a brightness setting.

But as others have said, the video image quality is so good that I am willing to work around this flaw.
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.......... I intend using the EVF most of the time...... Sony themselves, along with all of the reviews I have seen, praise the OLED EVF on this camera. It should be very good.
It needs to be good, as the flip-out screen is pretty much useless in direct sunlight (I can just about use the menu system -- but only just). The viewfinder is just fine, though. Fortunately, I can use it without glasses as there is a diopter adjustment.
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I have to agree with Hatchback, unfortunately.

I first attributed the lack of brightness to my 81 year old eyes but that is not the case. The EVF's of my Panasonic DMC-G3
and a Panasonic HC-X900M are much brighter, at least double or more.

On our recent trip to the beach, in the bright sunshine the EVF was totally useless. The lack of an rubber eye cup does not help.

I instead use the regular screen in the HI brightness mode, not perfect but I can see what I am pointing at.

The EVF is being praised for being a very high resolution OLED, not for it's brightness. I wonder if that is a inherent OLED characteristic?

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It needs to be good, as the flip-out screen is pretty much useless in direct sunlight (I can just about use the menu system -- but only just). The viewfinder is just fine, though. Fortunately, I can use it without glasses as there is a diopter adjustment.
And I guess that's the point. You have to able to exclude all the external light and not wearing glasses so you can get up nice and tight will help.

The Sony RX100 III has the same 0.39 inch EVF as a pop-up. I wonder what users of that camera think.

When my AX100 arrives (any day now) I will report my findings.
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Perhaps the issue of the differing "views" on the EVF is the ability to block out stray sun. One very talented pro videographer Noah Put said based on his first use of the AX100 at a wedding:


"I did not use the touch focus yet because I have been looking through the excellent viewfinder all the time, I had attached the eyecup of a sony fx1000 which was a bit too big but secured it with some velcrotape and it worked fine." [emphasis mine]


Note that he added an eyecup, and this may solve the issue of the evf seeming to be too dim - block out the light thoroughly. I have seen reports of others also adding eyecups


Here is the link to his full statement:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/open-dv-...e-wedding.html
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Thanks Markr very informative article.

Will try to find an eye cup.

Thanks

Also called Sony and talked to a technician. He was going to get information and I was disconnected after 5 min of music. Other than a possible firmware fix there is
really nothing that the can do about this. Especially if the EVF is hard wired.

I used to have a Samsung phone with an OLED display, my wife's iPhone always looked brighter side by side.

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Eugene, let us know if the eye cup works.
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Hatchback, and everybody else
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I looked at eye cups on eBay and there are quite a number that might be usable, but if I was going to use one the camera would not fit into the camera bag.

The basic problem is that I wear glasses, so that quite a lot of light gets into the EVF to make it unusable, at least for me.

My solution is to take the glasses off, adjust the diopter focus, and shoot. It allows my eyes to get close enough to seal the EVF against outside light, and under these conditions the brightness of the EVF is just adequate.
Fortunately my vision is such that I can walk around w/o glasses w/o breaking my neck so this is a viable solution for the outdoors. And as others have mentioned it enhances the stability of the video.

This may also explain why there have been so few complaints about the low brightness.

In overcast conditions I still use the regular display, in the HI brightness mode, holding the camera with both hands.

We are taking a trip to Catalina Island next month, should produce some great shots.

We all need a TV to display the gorgeous video the AX100 produces, my TV is a back lit Vizio with close to 1000 led's, great picture. Vizio showed a 4K P series at the CES very attractive pricing and PQ that got rave reviews, here is their ad, very detailed, you may have to click and scroll to get it going. It is the 70" that I am looking forward to see, supposedly under $ 2500.00 !.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&client=safari

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Gene, the question with the upcoming Vizios is if they have enough zones to produce a real quality picture. The R series, with more zones, should be better. But who knows when and if these will be released.

Personally, I'd like to see more sizes available. I think Vizio is really deficient in their size offerings.
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Ken,
the one I have now has 120 zones and at times there is a noticeable halo if you know what to look for. So 64 is marginal but may have to do. Not sure how 384 zones would look, certainly much better but the problem would be still there, however only of a lesser magnitude.

Not sure if I can afford the R series, no prices have been mentioned. I much prefer back lit, even with a slight occasional halo over edge lit. Especially if you have black bands above and below or on the sides, then they are really black, not a dark grey. Really makes the video "pop out"

I assume you are not wearing glasses since you have no problem with the AX100 EVF? (Just to stay on subject)

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Gene, the number of zones is not the only determiner of haloing. The Sharp Elite has almost no haloing since they don't allow the LEDs to extinguish entirely. We'll have to see what kind of dimming technique is used in the Vizio.

Back to the AX100, correct, I don't wear glasses other than reading glasses.

BTW, the current issue of Videomaker has a review of the AX100 and describes the VF as 'sharp & bright'. Perceptions seem to vary.
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