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post #2221 of 2248 Old 07-22-2014, 10:30 PM
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Here is the link to his full statement:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/open-dv-...e-wedding.html
Interesting he did not mention stabilization issues with the RX10, does this mean the RX10 is better in this regard?
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Interesting he did not mention stabilization issues with the RX10, does this mean the RX10 is better in this regard?
IMO, the AX100 is better than the RX10 in regards to OIS. Still not as good as 5-axis, but better than the RX10. However, if I were identifying weaknesses of the AX100, the OIS would be one.
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IMO, the AX100 is better than the RX10 in regards to OIS. Still not as good as 5-axis, but better than the RX10. However, if I were identifying weaknesses of the AX100, the OIS would be one.
Have you tried the RX10 yourself? It is hard to follow what new toys Mark and you are getting. If this is true, then I wonder why there is so little noise about OIS on the RX10. Maybe it is because the RX10 looks like a still camera, so people handle it as such – with tripod and stuff?

I’ve read about less-than-stellar OIS on the CX900, no wonder as it is a sort of a slunk AX100. I wonder how come Sony is dropping the ball on its latest models, it is usually JVC that suck in OIS department.
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I was one of the first to get an RX10. It's a great camera, but again, that OIS is not great. I've since sold it.
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Thanks, Ken. Appreciate the info.
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BTW, the current issue of Videomaker has a review of the AX100 and describes the VF as 'sharp & bright'. Perceptions seem to vary based on the reviewer's experience.
Fixed that for you, Ken. I also thought the EVF was sharp and bright until I tried to use it in bright sunlight...
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I was one of the first to get an RX10. It's a great camera, but again, that OIS is not great. I've since sold it.
I have no experience of 5-axis OIS, but the OIS on my SD700 can be very annoying. If you try to track an object with it turned on, the image does not follow the movement of the camera. It's difficult to describe but when you try to bring the tracking to a stop, the image carries on and then bounces back. While holding the camera still there are no issues and the image stabilisation is very good. I am just hoping that tracking an object with the AX100 will be better than with the SD700.

I suspect there is a trade-off between image quality and how effective the OIS is. Perhaps that's why the RX10, AX100 and maybe others, have a not so severe image stabilisation system. Anyway, the good thing is the OIS can be completely turned off if you want to use a tripod and gain maximum image quality.
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With a mechanical 5-axis OIS such as Olympus has, there is no image quality sacrifice. That's why I think Olympus could make headlines if it ever found a way to combine 4K recording capability with its mechanical 5-axis OIS system.
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IMO, the AX100 is better than the RX10 in regards to OIS. Still not as good as 5-axis, but better than the RX10. However, if I were identifying weaknesses of the AX100, the OIS would be one.
Agreed. Tried the RX10 but the OIS was just not good at all. The AX100 is a little better, but not fantastic by any means.
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I have no experience of 5-axis OIS, but the OIS on my SD700 can be very annoying. If you try to track an object with it turned on, the image does not follow the movement of the camera.
As designed. OIS should be turned off for tracking/tilting.
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Hatchback, thanks for pointing that out.

http://www.videomaker.com/article/17...andycam-review
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I've subscribed to Videomaker for years, but honestly, I find their reviews a bit lame.

They'll spend paragraphs on control location and give image quality one line.
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I've subscribed to Videomaker for years, but honestly, I find their reviews a bit lame.

They'll spend paragraphs on control location and give image quality one line.
Thank you Ken for saying it for me. If I said it, people would disregard it because I am "negative about everything" ;-) I like ProVideoCoalition (when Adam Wilt does it you can be sure the review would be exhaustive) and DV Video has also been pretty good. CCinfo used to have interesting bits, but they went down the drain.
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This is a good one, they also have a review on the AX100, unfortunately in German

http://camcorder-test.slashcam.com/c...-HC-X900M.html

http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/...0--alles-.html

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OK. I have my AX100. First question in, I suspect, many -

The camera makes a purring noise every two seconds or so. It is not loud but I can hear it in a quiet room. Has anyone else noticed this on their AX100? I wonder if it is the OIS working as it does not (as far as I know) have a fan and certainly no hard drive.

What do you think?
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......... The camera makes a purring noise every two seconds or so. It is not loud but I can hear it in a quiet room. Has anyone else noticed this on their AX100? I wonder if it is the OIS working as it does not (as far as I know) have a fan and certainly no hard drive.

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Yes ...... and no.

On two or three occasions I have heard a sound like a 'high-speed woodpecker', but only barely audible on a recording taken in a very quiet room.

In the first two occasions it was 4 secs on, 1 sec off, 4 secs on, 1 sec on, and so on. I wondered whether I was picking up some local interference.

On the next occasion it was slightly longer in duration. But again, only just audible on a recording taken in a very quiet room. (Maybe not the same sound?)

I tried to hear it again tonight after reading your post.

I plugged a shotgun mike into the camera and pointed the mic at the camera and tried various things, but the only thing I could hear was the zoom mechanism. Nothing else.

So. Mysterious.

My guess would be the stabilizing mechanism -- or maybe the auto-focus mechanism?

Tell me little more about your experiences with 'the sound'. Can you hear it from the camera or on a recording only?
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OK. I have my AX100. First question in, I suspect, many -

The camera makes a purring noise every two seconds or so. It is not loud but I can hear it in a quiet room. Has anyone else noticed this on their AX100? I wonder if it is the OIS working as it does not (as far as I know) have a fan and certainly no hard drive.

What do you think?
Can't say I ever recall hearing a sound. Perhaps it's very happy to be with you and that's why it's purring?

I'll take another listen to mine and let you know.
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OK, you'll be happy to know that I too have a happy AX100, mine purrs too! It's exactly as you describe it, a purring sound every couple of seconds. But I had to put my ear right up to it to hear it.

I suspect it's either the OIS or AF doing it. No concerns Spok.
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Hello,

I have a Panasonic x920 I use for family videos, some side filming jobs (b-camera to an FX7), and vacations. Is this worth the upgrade?
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I upgraded because of 4K only.

The 900 and the 920 produce excellent video especially in 60P Although while the ax100 video looks better at 2k it would not justify to me the spending of $ 3000.00 for the AX100. This covers taxes, 4 years extra warranty, extra batteries, lots of SDXC memory, filters, camera case etc.

You can easily make your decision by comparing some of the posted videos in 2K vs your own 920 videos.

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Hello,

I have a Panasonic x920 I use for family videos, some side filming jobs (b-camera to an FX7), and vacations. Is this worth the upgrade?

I have sony ax100, sony cx760, panasonic tm900. for travel vacation, I will still take my sony cx760 w me. the cx760 boss stabilizer is the best especially when shooting unplanned shots like plane landing and takeoff and walking on streets shots


I hope sony will put the boss system into ax100

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I upgraded because of 4K only.

The 900 and the 920 produce excellent video especially in 60P Although while the ax100 video looks better at 2k it would not justify to me the spending of $ 3000.00 for the AX100. This covers taxes, 4 years extra warranty, extra batteries, lots of SDXC memory, filters, camera case etc.

You can easily make your decision by comparing some of the posted videos in 2K vs your own 920 videos.

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I like the idea of shooting 4K but I am debating the tradeoff of 60p. I like the 60p look but I have read that the ax100 can shoot 1080p60 as well. Not as easy as looking at videos for me im afraid.
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I find that the 30P is acceptable in most situations in our vacation videos. My videos rarely pan and almost never zoom, so I have adapted rather well from 60P. Just sold the X900M on eBay, surely miss that 5 axis stabilization.

The Ax100 has some shortcomings but that is all the 4K I can afford and the video looks quite impressive.

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The Ax100 has some shortcomings but that is all the 4K I can afford and the video looks quite impressive.

Gene

I noticed my sony ax100 when I copy files to computer w the usb of ax100 connected to computer.
1) with supplied usb extension cable connected to computer and ax100. the ax100 sometimes displays 'device attached error' and just won't copy.
2) with ax100 usb directly connected to computer. the computer transfer the files via mtp without error.


i have the sony cx760. if i insert the memory card recorded from ax100 to cx760. the sony cx760 with usb extension cable transfer the files to computer just fine.


i think there is a problem connecting the supplied usb extension cable to sony ax100 and computer. transfer don't work. anyone experience same problem?
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The USB2 !! dongle is about as crazy as things can get in my opinion, especially since the AX100 has no internal memory. Why not just have a connector on the camera body?

By taking the SDXC card to the computer I can transfer the data much much faster with USB3


App. 3 years ago I bought a 2 port USB3 card for my computer and recently added a USB3 to memory card adapter. This allows to transfer data to the computer as fast as the SDXC etc cards are rated. USB2 does not even get close.

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The USB2 !! dongle is about as crazy as things can get in my opinion, especially since the AX100 has no internal memory. Why not just have a connector on the camera body?

By taking the SDXC card to the computer I can transfer the data much much faster with USB3


App. 3 years ago I bought a 2 port USB3 card for my computer and recently added a USB3 to memory card adapter. This allows to transfer data to the computer as fast as the SDXC etc cards are rated. USB2 does not even get close.

Gene
before i got my sony cx760, i use card reader to transfer my video files from sony hdr-550, panny tm900, sony vg10 to computer. cause i have pmb installed in computer to automatically convert the files to date record.


the sony cx760, gw77, and ax100 all comes with buildin sonypmb software to automatically convert the video record to date/time format. and i no longer have pmb sony installed on my computer.


i guess i will just have to install pmb into my computer. and do the transfer via card reader. that way, my panny tm900, rx100 and vg10 video files get converted automatically.
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The Pro-version of the AX-100 ...

https://vimeo.com/groups/226931/videos/101965951
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In English,

I guess waiting for the 265 codec.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/...pact-camcorder

http://www.studiodaily.com/2014/07/s...-a-4k-upgrade/

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