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NO. We have always been able to play back the individual clips from the AX100 on our Sony UHD TVs. However, the minute you edit the video in any way, it can not be put back onto the AX100 and played. That means no titles, no transitions and all the footage of your feet would still be in the playback.

Please read this thread. It was exactly inspired by your issue:


Playing 4K Videos on 4K Monitors and TV's


This little, cheap device will play all your videos, edited or not, on your 4K Sony.
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Any of the hardware you mentioned will be fine. The issue is the software editing program. You need to pay attention to that. I do not use Apple hardware as I do not think the premium prices are worth the feel, so I cannot give you guidance on the software that works for Apple machines and works with 4K. If you can afford those Apple machines, you can afford to invest in a good editing program.

I have successfully edited 4K on Celeron- to i7- processor Windows 8 pc's and laptops using Sony editing software. The power of the processor/graphics card/disk-speed mostly only affected render time, not the ability to manipulate and edit and see effects or the quality of the resulting video.
Thank you. I am not a Mac person myself. It seems like the lion share of videographers are. I am currently looking at a Quad Core Sony Vaio (i7 with 8GB RAM, but can be expanded to 16GB). It comes with Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum. So, what you are saying is that I should be looking at the current version of Vegas, or a similar high-end PC editing program. Any suggestions?
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Thank you. I am not a Mac person myself. It seems like the lion share of videographers are. I am currently looking at a Quad Core Sony Vaio (i7 with 8GB RAM, but can be expanded to 16GB). It comes with Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum. So, what you are saying is that I should be looking at the current version of Vegas, or a similar high-end PC editing program. Any suggestions?
Movie studio platinum 13 works with 4k perfectly, I am not sure about earlier versions. It is almost the same as the pro version.
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PCs are cheaper than Macs unless you spec them like the new Mac Pro with Intel Xeon CPU's and AMD Fire Pro GPUs that work great with Final Cut Pro X.
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I have to tell you, over the years I've seen more editing issues from posters with Macs than PCs by far. It's one of the reasons I've never gone with a Mac.
Over the years working in professional editing at various TV-Stations and production houses Ive seen PCs crash almost daily while the Macs run for what seems like forever.
And those PCs aren't exactly the once you buy at Best Buy and the people servicing them aren't exactly beginners.

Not saying your experience is wrong, just saying it depends.
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Over the years working in professional editing at various TV-Stations and production houses Ive seen PCs crash almost daily while the Macs run for what seems like forever.
And those PCs aren't exactly the once you buy at Best Buy and the people servicing them aren't exactly beginners.

Not saying your experience is wrong, just saying it depends.

I cannot stay away of such debate. The fact a computer is crashing depends on multiple factors. I am very curious of those PCs setups, hardware plus software. From my personal experience, being a computer programmer for 12 years, I can tell you that it's not necessarily the hardware itself that we should blame (in this case the Mac or the PC) but the software. And at this chapter, believe me that Windows is much better and faster than MacOS. Just more advanced. Your editing tool for Mac could be more stable than the one for Windows and this is fairly possible. But there are plenty of other tools. Also, nearly 90% of the PCs in the world run Microsoft Windows for a reason... That's my justification that buying a Mac at nearly twice the price of a PC isn't worth.
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I cannot stay away of such debate. The fact a computer is crashing depends on multiple factors. I am very curious of those PCs setups, hardware plus software. From my personal experience, being a computer programmer for 12 years, I can tell you that it's not necessarily the hardware itself that we should blame (in this case the Mac or the PC) but the software. And at this chapter, believe me that Windows is much better and faster than MacOS. Just more advanced. Your editing tool for Mac could be more stable than the one for Windows and this is fairly possible. But there are plenty of other tools. Also, nearly 90% of the PCs in the world run Microsoft Windows for a reason... That's my justification that buying a Mac at nearly twice the price of a PC isn't worth.
Im not going to debate this, I just gave my input from my experience.

Regarding price, as a consumer I buy Macs for my home since they are cheaper or in the same price as PCs if you what all the same specs like small, aluminum, and so on.
If I compare a newly released Mac, lets pretend they just released a new Macbook Air, then a PC with the same specs in a equally thin aluminum case is just as if not even more expensive.
The only time PCs are cheaper is when he Mac has been out for a while or if you go cheap plastic or huge noisy tower.
Now I have both PCs and Macs, both are great and I use them for different things. The Macs are for editing or for using in the livingroom as a media player since the Mac Mini is small discrete and good looking under the TV.

I know this is a hot potato for some reason for some people so Im out.
To each their own.
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Over the years working in professional editing at various TV-Stations and production houses Ive seen PCs crash almost daily while the Macs run for what seems like forever.
And those PCs aren't exactly the once you buy at Best Buy and the people servicing them aren't exactly beginners.

Not saying your experience is wrong, just saying it depends.

That's correct. The difference in experience is that the professionals were not editing AVCHD and were not editing 4K. We see posters shooting consumer cams for which AVCHD and now 4K are common, and Apple software lagged behind for both of these video "formats." iMovie is a joke. I think Resolve DaVinci does not work on Apple machines, so shooting RAW (which those TV professionals also were not doing) is not ideal for Apple stuff.
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Im not going to debate this, I just gave my input from my experience.

Regarding price, as a consumer I buy Macs for my home since they are cheaper or in the same price as PCs if you what all the same specs like small, aluminum, and so on.
If I compare a newly released Mac, lets pretend they just released a new Macbook Air, then a PC with the same specs in a equally thin aluminum case is just as if not even more expensive.
The only time PCs are cheaper is when he Mac has been out for a while or if you go cheap plastic or huge noisy tower.
Now I have both PCs and Macs, both are great and I use them for different things. The Macs are for editing or for using in the livingroom as a media player since the Mac Mini is small discrete and good looking under the TV.

I know this is a hot potato for some reason for some people so Im out.
To each their own.
I don't know too much about the prices in the US, but let's take a simple case, a MacBook vs a PC notebook. Similar hardware. Ok, the MacBook can have a bigger screen resolution (that I don't really understand but that's another story). How expensive is the MacBook compared to the PC? Much more. Is it worth? You may say: it depends on what you do. I say it is not worth, because with that PC you can make a setup where you do the same job, most probably better. About the MacMini that can be used as a media player, just pick a Popcorn Hour A400, which is very advanced in media playing, and compare the prices... indeed it is a bit bigger but I don't think this is the point.
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That's correct. The difference in experience is that the professionals were not editing AVCHD and were not editing 4K. We see posters shooting consumer cams for which AVCHD and now 4K are common, and Apple software lagged behind for both of these video "formats." iMovie is a joke. I think Resolve DaVinci does not work on Apple machines, so shooting RAW (which those TV professionals also were not doing) is not ideal for Apple stuff.
I have never used iMovie so I dont know.
Resolve works just fine on a Mac.
Many pros still use AVCHD.
Most pros still use Avid, many use Premiere.
At work I use both on both PC and Mac.
At home I edit 1080p, 2.5K and 4K all Raw on an old 8Gb mac in Premiere.
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I have never used iMovie so I dont know.
Resolve works just fine on a Mac.
Many pros still use AVCHD.
Most pros still use Avid, many use Premiere.
At work I use both on both PC and Mac.
At home I edit 1080p, 2.5K and 4K all Raw on an old 8Gb mac in Premiere.

TV professionals using AVCHD? Not in the US. TV professionals also did not shoot 4K or RAW. You talked about TV professionals (and production as well).


Of course many professionals use macs, shoot avchd and now 4K and RAW. And guess what? they don't post here. The ones who do post here with troubles try to edit 4K and AVCHD not with Avid or Premiere, but with Apple software. That's who we see here, with some exceptions. I am not making any argument about which platform is better, just explaining what is going on.


On the road I edit RAW and 4K video on a $259 Celeron Windows 8 laptop. So what?
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TV professionals using AVCHD? Not in the US. TV professionals also did not shoot 4K or RAW. You talked about TV professionals (and production as well).


Of course many professionals use macs, shoot avchd and now 4K and RAW. And guess what? they don't post here. The ones who do post here with troubles try to edit 4K and AVCHD not with Avid or Premiere, but with Apple software. That's who we see here, with some exceptions. I am not making any argument about which platform is better, just explaining what is going on.


On the road I edit RAW and 4K video on a $259 Celeron Windows 8 laptop. So what?
Many TV professionals have and some still shoot AVCHD, specally docu.
Im not aware of any TV eng style reporting done in 4K or Raw so I cant help you there.
But i do know most TV drama and comercials around here is done on an Alexa or Raw on the Epic.
Im not arguing either, i just gave input from my experience, thats what forums are for as far as I know.
I dont really know what the question about your PC was but Im sure its fine.
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I don't know too much about the prices in the US, but let's take a simple case, a MacBook vs a PC notebook. Similar hardware. Ok, the MacBook can have a bigger screen resolution (that I don't really understand but that's another story). How expensive is the MacBook compared to the PC? Much more. Is it worth? You may say: it depends on what you do. I say it is not worth, because with that PC you can make a setup where you do the same job, most probably better. About the MacMini that can be used as a media player, just pick a Popcorn Hour A400, which is very advanced in media playing, and compare the prices... indeed it is a bit bigger but I don't think this is the point.

For a media player, including 4K, there are now tiny Android boxes selling for $150 with HDMI out and wifi that do the job perfectly.
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I cannot stay away of such debate. The fact a computer is crashing depends on multiple factors. I am very curious of those PCs setups, hardware plus software. From my personal experience, being a computer programmer for 12 years, I can tell you that it's not necessarily the hardware itself that we should blame (in this case the Mac or the PC) but the software. And at this chapter, believe me that Windows is much better and faster than MacOS. Just more advanced. Your editing tool for Mac could be more stable than the one for Windows and this is fairly possible. But there are plenty of other tools. Also, nearly 90% of the PCs in the world run Microsoft Windows for a reason... That's my justification that buying a Mac at nearly twice the price of a PC isn't worth.
"So Fung, a do-it-yourself PC specialist, set out to test the Apple tax and see just how much cheaper it would be to build a comparable machine that runs Windows. His findings might surprise you.
“After tabulating all the major component costs (plus another $99.99 US for Windows 8 Pro), we are at a total of around $11,530.54 US using today’s prices at retailers that actually stock the hardware,” he wrote. “I’m not afraid to admit that compared to the asking price of $9,599 US, the new Mac Pro seems like one heckuva deal for these components.”
The cost of Fung’s Mac Pro rival rang up at a steep 20% over Apple’s Mac Pro, and that doesn’t assign any value to the time it would take to build the machine once you have all the parts.
But what about the entry-level version of the Mac Pro? Surely a less powerful version of the rig could be matched by Windows at a more reasonable price point, right? In a follow-up to his first piece, Fung set out to see what it would cost to build the Windows equivalent of Apple’s base Mac Pro.
Again, the results were surprising.
Fung’s match to Apple’s $2,999 Mac Pro ended up costing $3,994.65 in parts, a whopping 33% more expensive than the Mac Pro. And once again, that price does not include labor. The comparison isn’t quite as direct as it was the first time around though, as Fung noted that his DIY Windows machine has slightly better specs than the Apple box, and there were some other benefits over the Mac Pro as well."
http://bgr.com/2013/12/26/mac-pro-windows-diy-cost/
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Wikipedia is certainly not the final answer, but one article that lists three dozen available NLEs seems to show a preference to PCs over Apples. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...iting_software

Another Wikipedia article mentions NLEs that are known to work with 4K. It says, "As 2014, 4K Video in Non-Linear Video Editing is fairly new, but it is being used in the creation of many Blockbuster movies throughout the world, because of advanced 4K cameras such as the Red Camera, a very popular camera with many modern digitally created and edited movies. Avid Media Composer, Apple's Final Cut Pro X, Sony Vegas and Adobe Premiere supports 4K video editing."

In other words, Apple gets FCP X or Adobe Premier (that you now have to rent.) PCs get Avid, Vegas or Adobe Premier.

Not mentioned in the Wikipedia article are the cheap (Under $100 USD) NLEs. Seems to me there are two choices that are dependable most of the time. One is the consumer version of Vegas called "Sony Movie Studio" for PCs only. The other is Adobe's Premier Elements for both Apples and PCs.

It seems clever to me that Adobe has made nearly all, if not all, of their many products usable on both PC and Apple platforms. Yet many videographers and photographers tend to enjoy disliking Adobe for becoming the giant gorilla of the graphics product world.

Corel should not be left out in the PC platform mix. They offer a variety of under $100 video products in their "VideoStudio" line. Reading about them at their website Corel says that 4K is supported.

I do not have an Apple, and never have, but if I did, and was serious about 4K and other video editing (except maybe Holywood "blockbuster" Red Epic stuff) , I think I would have to buy into the the Adobe Cloud system. It is $50 a month for everything, but only $20 a month for a single application like Premier Pro. Since enjoy and trust PC systems I have more viable choices in video editing software.
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...... Fung’s match to Apple’s $2,999 Mac Pro ended up costing $3,994.65 in parts, a whopping 33% more expensive than the Mac Pro. And once again, that price does not include labor. The comparison isn’t quite as direct as it was the first time around though, as Fung noted that his DIY Windows machine has slightly better specs than the Apple box, and there were some other benefits over the Mac Pro as well.
Joe,

My experience a couple years ago was exactly the opposite.

I went to an apple store where the salesman told me I would enjoy a life changing experience if I bought his top of the line laptop. Besides changing my life in general, I would be able to edit videos. The price was $4,000. I studied it hard and wrote down the specs. As I recall, it needed only a few extra accessories like a SD card reader and an optical drive.

HP had video "workstation" laptops where I could spend about the same.

B&H had ASUS gamer laptops that had similar specifications to the Apple, included a SD card reader and a Blu-Ray burner. It was less than half the price of the Apple. It has performed very well for nearly three years.

All computers give up someday. I'm going to cry when this one has to live on the closet shelf dedicated to dead laptops.
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"So Fung, a do-it-yourself PC specialist, set out to test the Apple tax and see just how much cheaper it would be to build a comparable machine that runs Windows. His findings might surprise you.
“After tabulating all the major component costs (plus another $99.99 US for Windows 8 Pro), we are at a total of around $11,530.54 US using today’s prices at retailers that actually stock the hardware,” he wrote. “I’m not afraid to admit that compared to the asking price of $9,599 US, the new Mac Pro seems like one heckuva deal for these components.”
The cost of Fung’s Mac Pro rival rang up at a steep 20% over Apple’s Mac Pro, and that doesn’t assign any value to the time it would take to build the machine once you have all the parts.
But what about the entry-level version of the Mac Pro? Surely a less powerful version of the rig could be matched by Windows at a more reasonable price point, right? In a follow-up to his first piece, Fung set out to see what it would cost to build the Windows equivalent of Apple’s base Mac Pro.
Again, the results were surprising.
Fung’s match to Apple’s $2,999 Mac Pro ended up costing $3,994.65 in parts, a whopping 33% more expensive than the Mac Pro. And once again, that price does not include labor. The comparison isn’t quite as direct as it was the first time around though, as Fung noted that his DIY Windows machine has slightly better specs than the Apple box, and there were some other benefits over the Mac Pro as well."
http://bgr.com/2013/12/26/mac-pro-windows-diy-cost/
But the point is you don't need a powerful PC to edit 4K. You just don't. We do it from relatively low power PC towers, laptops etc. So to be honest, I'm not impressed with his pricing research.
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When I purchased my Core i7 MacBook Air in 2011 with 256GB SSD the Windows Ultrabooks with the same CPU and SSD were the same price. I have been building PCs since the 80's and today my last Windows PC build ( Windows 8.1 with 6-core CPU, Gigabyte AMD 6950 graphic card and 256GB SSD boot drive) that I don't use much is infected with pop ups and Malware because of others in my family using it. I have two Mac Pros ( older quad core and new 6-Core ) that never get malware and I have had it with friggen Windows . It has a 90% marketshare and that is why every low life POS hacker on the planet spends their whole life infecting them. I was a Windows fanboy since Windows 2.0 in the late 80's but not anymore.
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Joe, I've rarely encountered viruses and such with my PCs, and a reasonably good virus protection software (which are much less resource intensive than they used to be), will take care of any issues. I've just never had serious issues and I've had many machines.

It's also a misnomer that Macs can't get infected. You are right that the PCs are targeted far more often since they're so ubiquitous, but I think with any kind of reasonable care, the problem is overstated by some.
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Ken, if I am the only one using the PC there is no problem but when others are using it then that is when Windows becomes your worst nightmare. My Windows PC is in a Coolermaster HAF X 942 full tower case with caster wheels and a zillion fans and my new 6-core Mac Pro has one fan that is as quiet as my smartphone. The bottom line , whatever floats your boat.
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Movie studio platinum 13 works with 4k perfectly, I am not sure about earlier versions. It is almost the same as the pro version.
Thanks again. I will wait to see what exactly is installed on the laptop. You've been a great help.
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On the Mac vs PC debate, everybody is free to choose. In the end, it's also about the one you are used to. But I think Apple invested more in things that are less important (like design, size, BRAND - this I don't like), and didn't invest enough in software.


Off-topic: on the mobile market, things are completely different, the iPhones / iPads are really great. But still a bit too expensive I think, also because of the brand...
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On the Mac vs PC debate, everybody is free to choose. In the end, it's also about the one you are used to. But I think Apple invested more in things that are less important (like design, size, BRAND - this I don't like), and didn't invest enough in software.


Off-topic: on the mobile market, things are completely different, the iPhones / iPads are really great. But still a bit too expensive I think, also because of the brand...
Here I am a bit of a different bird. I agree that I probably prefer the Mac because that is where I started. And every time I have to use a PC, I end up having problems.
But, with the smart phone I took a different path. I have always been with Android. Same goes for the tablets. Being able to change the battery and add memory is the reason I chose Android. (Although the Android tablets, for some reason are like Apple in that you cannot change the batteries.)
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If HDV was good enough than AVCHD certainly is as good or better. The HMC150 and the AC160 are AVCHD and AFAIK they are quite widespread.
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Screenshot of my 6-core Mac Pro internal SSD speed test :



The above speed test is from a customer review of the LaCie 1TB Little Big Disk Thunderbolt-2 Solid State Drive on B&H using a pair on the new Mac Pro using two Thunderbolt 2 ports.

Here is a speed test of my 1TB PCIe SSD boot drive on my old Mac Pro :

BTW the AX100 is $1,798 at B&H.
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"So Fung, a do-it-yourself PC specialist, set out to test the Apple tax and see just how much cheaper it would be to build a comparable machine that runs Windows. His findings might surprise you.
“After tabulating all the major component costs (plus another $99.99 US for Windows 8 Pro), we are at a total of around $11,530.54 US using today’s prices at retailers that actually stock the hardware,” he wrote. “I’m not afraid to admit that compared to the asking price of $9,599 US, the new Mac Pro seems like one heckuva deal for these components.”
The cost of Fung’s Mac Pro rival rang up at a steep 20% over Apple’s Mac Pro, and that doesn’t assign any value to the time it would take to build the machine once you have all the parts.
But what about the entry-level version of the Mac Pro? Surely a less powerful version of the rig could be matched by Windows at a more reasonable price point, right? In a follow-up to his first piece, Fung set out to see what it would cost to build the Windows equivalent of Apple’s base Mac Pro.
Again, the results were surprising.
Fung’s match to Apple’s $2,999 Mac Pro ended up costing $3,994.65 in parts, a whopping 33% more expensive than the Mac Pro. And once again, that price does not include labor. The comparison isn’t quite as direct as it was the first time around though, as Fung noted that his DIY Windows machine has slightly better specs than the Apple box, and there were some other benefits over the Mac Pro as well."
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This is really misleading. You cannot match the price of a manufactured PC by adding up the component costs using retail prices of those components. Take almost any PC or laptop at BestBuy and try to see if you can build one yourself cheaper by buying the components. You cannot come close. So saying any Mac is a bargain because you can't build one yourself is uninformative, since the same is true for any PC.


I am not arguing whether a Mac is a good value or not, just that this demonstration is not evidence for that proposition.
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This is really misleading. You cannot match the price of a manufactured PC by adding up the component costs using retail prices of those components. Take almost any PC or laptop at BestBuy and try to see if you can build one yourself cheaper by buying the components. You cannot come close. So saying any Mac is a bargain because you can't build one yourself is uninformative, since the same is true for any PC.


I am not arguing whether a Mac is a good value or not, just that this demonstration is not evidence for that proposition.
Every time there is a Mac vs PC argument the PC side always points to building their own and thats why its suposedly cheaper.
What your basically saying is that buying a PC or building it is more expensive than a Mac either way.

I just cant understand why this is a hot topic and have been for years. Why cant people just buy a computer and use it.
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The traditional IBM compatible PC and Mac PC have never been as similar as what they are today.

The only real difference is the O/S, and this is what usually will dictate the purchase and use, along with the chosen software.

I mostly use traditional IBM compatibles. Why? Because the software that I mostly use is only available for Windows.

Which one is best value. Despite the reports of certain builds, the traditional IBM based machine running Meverics is definitely cheaper than its Mac counterpart.

Which is the best. Arguably the Mac, if you go by build quality and the fact that you are buying a finely tuned system, that has perfectly matched hardware.

What is the best, period. A nice powerful Mac running Windows 7 64. Or whatever one lets you run your chosen software with the least amount of fuss.

Bottom line. They are only tools, buy the most powerful one for your budget, that runs the software you use.

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In my opinion, when you buy a Mac, you pay an amount of money for the name "Apple". Which can be correct to some extent but I think that amount is really too big. That OS is not as professional as Windows. But this is just an opinion. For people doing only a certain task, Mac can be very helpful. For people needing real speed in what they do with the computer, Mac is slow.
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In my opinion, when you buy a Mac, you pay an amount of money for the name "Apple". Which can be correct to some extent but I think that amount is really too big. That OS is not as professional as Windows. But this is just an opinion. For people doing only a certain task, Mac can be very helpful. For people needing real speed in what they do with the computer, Mac is slow.
That is the most clueless post I have seen here about Mac vs Windows PCs. Did you get your cookies after posting that ?
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