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Thank you for the inforrmation! Yes, I prefer the form factor of the AX100 over the RX100 actually. I know there should be a day a night difference between my current camcorder and the AX100, I'm excited about that prospect. The more you get into it, the more you start realizing what the higher end camcorders offer.

I'll keep an open mind and take both into consideration though, but I will wait until CES to see what Sony unveils.
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P.S. RX10 form factor is very different from the RX100 form factor
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Hope I understood the question.
Yes, Thank you, I have managed to grasp whats happening and I also found that PD13 has other controls that I did not realize to bring the settings upto the same as P18,

Wow, thats a long time for rendering,,, not sure of the viability of doing that here (Perth, Western Australia) as we do get power cuts from time to time.
What was the difference once you had completed the transcode?.

Once you have filmed in 4K what is the best setting in 1080 to get the best from it.

Am I right in my thinking that when filming in 4K at 30p camera shake is much more pronounced that at 60p so one has to be more careful.

Once again, thanks for the advice
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I wouldn't count on h.265 because consumer demand for a format that can't be played or edited on a typical computer is low. But 4k at 60 fps is a definite possibility.
It will be interesting to see who brings UHD at 60p first to consumer gear. Panasonic's 60p UHD camcorder is quite expensive, especially for a small action cam sized sensor. The Samsung NX1 has lots of bells and whistles (h.265), but only 30p at the high res.
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Arghh!! I missed it! That's an amazing price for a great SDXC card.
B&H has the Sony SDXC cards on sale :
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._1_memory.html
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Great find Joe, thanks! Just ordered.
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Yes, Thank you, I have managed to grasp whats happening and I also found that PD13 has other controls that I did not realize to bring the settings upto the same as P18,

Wow, thats a long time for rendering,,, not sure of the viability of doing that here (Perth, Western Australia) as we do get power cuts from time to time.
What was the difference once you had completed the transcode?.

Once you have filmed in 4K what is the best setting in 1080 to get the best from it.

Am I right in my thinking that when filming in 4K at 30p camera shake is much more pronounced that at 60p so one has to be more careful.

Once again, thanks for the advice

It reduced the file size from 37.5GB to 22GB. at 30P at highest conversion quality setting. Picture quality is comparable I see no obvious differences but have not done side by side comparisons.
I edit in 4K and make a 4K master of the video.
That can the be used to reduce to conventional HD. However I rather use the original edit to directly go to HD at 1920x1080 28Mb 60P
Editing in 4K is only practicable in PD if the "Shadow Files" are enabled and that can take hours.

Worked for the last few days on a 45min 4K edit of our cruise.

I was on of the first few to lay my hands on this camera and I am still stunned by the quality video it produces.

Yes 60P would be an advantage, especially when panning. But keep in mind that most commercial DVDs have a frame rate of only 24, 25 or 30 frames and there are no problems.
Some motion problems when panning for example can be traced to not disabling the camera stabilizer beforehand.

Camera shake is my biggest adversary with this camera, the X900M was just incredible in that respect having a 5 axis correction.

On a few scenes I had to correct shake in PD13, it works great but I go from 4K likely to 3 K because of the cropping. However nearly all of my problems only occur once I exceed 50% zoom and I do that rarely.

Unless you are planning to shoot and edit in 4K I would just wait and use the 920. But it is unlikely that 4K at 60P will soon come along in this price range, and if it does it will place an even higher burden on the editing process.

Eugene

The only time going from 264 to265 would make sense is in a 4K BluRay situation
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OK - so I have been trolling this particular forum looking for tidbits of advice on the FDR- AX100. I broke down and bought one a little over a month ago. I love the cam. I shoot a lot of concert footage (with permission and occasionally stealth) and the manual settings on the left body are just a dream on the AX100. I have been very happy with my new baby - the darks and colors are very rich compared to the Canon HV40 miniDV I had shot with for years. I looked through a lot of the 90 pages of this thread, but I haven't encountered an answer to the problem that occurred this weekend while shooting. It is entirely operator error, but I am hoping someone might offer a bail out suggestion.

I forgot to flip SD cards at the beginning of a band's set and I knew I would need to swap to a new card quickly. It was dark; I was in a hurry; at a song lull I screwed up and ejected the SD card before I hit stop on the device. It asked me to put the card back in and the AX100 attempted a corruption repair of the last file it was making. I knew it could be problematic and I already had 3 other sets of music on the 128 gb PNY SDXC card. Lo and behold I looked later and the file is there at 22gb, but it is unreadable as an .mp4 file. I tried some softwae downloads (MovRepair) - all to no avail.

What is the salvagable answer or am I relegated to dumping the data??!?? Please tell me somone out there has made this recording snafu, too.

Peace and thanks,
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What do you want from FAT (FAT32, exFAT)? One gotta close one's file. If the card was completely clean before recording, then chances are that the clusters are recorded in straight sequence, so all you need is to fix is the directory entry. At least this how it worked in the olden days on MS-DOS with Norton Disk Doctor.

Is it a single 22 GB file? I guess Sony uses exFAT? At least it went beyond the stupid 4GB limitation. OTOH, if you had 4GB segments than you would have lost just 2GB. Segmented video has its good side too.
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Thank you, Joe! B&H has the cards in stock at a great price.

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What's weird with my B&H order for that SDXC card, is that on my invoice it says 'usually ships in 7-10 business days'. Yet the card is in stock and living in NY, I almost always get orders from B&H either next day or within 2 days.
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When I ordered, only the 128GB card had "usually ships in 7-10 business days". The other cards were all "in stock".
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OK - so I have been trolling this particular forum looking for tidbits of advice on the FDR- AX100. I broke down and bought one a little over a month ago. I love the cam. I shoot a lot of concert footage (with permission and occasionally stealth) and the manual settings on the left body are just a dream on the AX100. I have been very happy with my new baby - the darks and colors are very rich compared to the Canon HV40 miniDV I had shot with for years. I looked through a lot of the 90 pages of this thread, but I haven't encountered an answer to the problem that occurred this weekend while shooting. It is entirely operator error, but I am hoping someone might offer a bail out suggestion.

I forgot to flip SD cards at the beginning of a band's set and I knew I would need to swap to a new card quickly. It was dark; I was in a hurry; at a song lull I screwed up and ejected the SD card before I hit stop on the device. It asked me to put the card back in and the AX100 attempted a corruption repair of the last file it was making. I knew it could be problematic and I already had 3 other sets of music on the 128 gb PNY SDXC card. Lo and behold I looked later and the file is there at 22gb, but it is unreadable as an .mp4 file. I tried some softwae downloads (MovRepair) - all to no avail.

What is the salvagable answer or am I relegated to dumping the data??!?? Please tell me somone out there has made this recording snafu, too.

Peace and thanks,
Sean
So to any AX100 users out there - have any of you accidentally pulled the SD card before stopping recording? I have an actual 22gb mp4 labelled file I transferred from the 128 gb SD XC PNY card (which works brilliantly, btw, and is on Amazon for $60 right now). I have kept the card as it was, but I also backed up the data to an external drive. The other 3 sets of live concert footage drop right into Sony Vegas Pro - the problematic 22gb file will not : (
Anyone know of any corrective software or how I can play with or tweak it?? I played with the repair feature in the AX100's on screen menu, but to no avail. There is obviously a video and audio portion to the file - I just wonder how I can make it 'whole' and recognizable.

I appreciate this forum and the early adapters/users here. I have been soooo pleased with the cam - it is truly awesome. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

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I also had a recent issue with corrupted files. The AX100 indicated that it would try to fix the corruption but couldn't. My issue occurred when the battery ran out unexpected. This likely caused the AX100 to not update the file properly before shutting down. I would imagine that a battery which is properly reporting its state would provide the AX100 enough time to properly close the file before shutting down. Sadly, I was unable to recover this file using any of the various techniques and recovery software suggested on in this forum.

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It reduced the file size from 37.5GB to 22GB. at 30P at highest conversion quality setting. Picture quality is comparable I see no obvious differences but have not done side by side comparisons.
I edit in 4K and make a 4K master of the video.
That can the be used to reduce to conventional HD. However I rather use the original edit to directly go to HD at 1920x1080 28Mb 60P
Editing in 4K is only practicable in PD if the "Shadow Files" are enabled and that can take hours.

Worked for the last few days on a 45min 4K edit of our cruise.

I was on of the first few to lay my hands on this camera and I am still stunned by the quality video it produces.

Yes 60P would be an advantage, especially when panning. But keep in mind that most commercial DVDs have a frame rate of only 24, 25 or 30 frames and there are no problems.
Some motion problems when panning for example can be traced to not disabling the camera stabilizer beforehand.

Camera shake is my biggest adversary with this camera, the X900M was just incredible in that respect having a 5 axis correction.

On a few scenes I had to correct shake in PD13, it works great but I go from 4K likely to 3 K because of the cropping. However nearly all of my problems only occur once I exceed 50% zoom and I do that rarely.


Eugene

The only time going from 264 to265 would make sense is in a 4K BluRay situation

I have had enough of Pinnacle Studio 18 and its constant "NGStudio has stopped working", it is ridiculous how many times this keeps happening, Studio 16 was a pain for that but this is worse. Support is practically useless in as much as
they really don't know how to solve it and I am sad to say that they are hoping I give up. In dire cases such as this there should be phone support. It has to be there program because I have just tried Sony Vegus and PD13 and NOT one hiccup
or boot out and all my other stuff works just fine.
Anyway to cut to the chase,,, thanks Eugene for pointing me to PD13, I now have the full copy and am on the learning curve and Pinnacle can have there program back.

Any others here had problems with Pinnacle Studio?.
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A competitor to the AX100 from JVC. $2500.00

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=REG&A=details

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JGwatt

Yes I remember those problems, Studio 16 was my last one, then I went to PD11. The worst was to have the computer render something overnight only to find in
the morning that it had crashed . PD is not w/o its warts but their forum is very helpful. My videos are very basic so there are virtually no problems or crashes.
I cannot even remember the last time I had a problem.

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A competitor to the AX100 from JVC. $2500.00

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I agree, the JVC GY-HM170 looks VERY similar to the AX100. It has a much higher bit rate (150Mb/s h.264) in 4k and records 4:2:2 in 1080p but it only has a 1/2.3" sensor.... I can't see why anyone would pay more money for that camera instead of the AX100.
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Price?

What was the price of this 128GB card back on 11/18?
It's $128 now

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Out of curiosity, I tried connecting the Live-View WiFi Remote RM-LVR1 to AX100 and it works.
The functions are limited though
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What was the price of this 128GB card back on 11/18?
It's $128 now
The Sony SOSD128GBU1Q was $69.95 with free shipping
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Thanks.
I missed a ridiculously great deal.

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I ordered one on that day, but I'm still waiting for delivery.
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128GB is ideal to have with the AX100 and the NP-FV100 battery. Never ran out of space or power on any one day job.

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Just finished another project for a school.

This clip marries a AX100, a FZ1000 and a GH4. In that order.

https://www.youtube.com/v/bdMKxIreeu...on=3&vq=hd1080

Here are the specs

AX100 set at 3000K and cinematone
-1 EV
1/60
mostly f4 when possible
Mostly AF when possible

FZ1000 for the overheads
3000K and CineV
-1.33
Highlights Shadows -5/+5
1/60
Shutter priority

GH4 for the wide angles
3000K and CineV
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Highlights Shadows -5/+5
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F/2.8 using 12-35 2.8

External mikes at various places of the theater.
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