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16GB Class 10 95MBps Sandisk Extreme Pro -- AX100 reports it cannot support XAVC S. The blinking NO CARD indicator is on. Brand new card from BB!

Will support AVCHD.

32GB Class 10 30MBps Sandisk Ultra -- AX100 reports it cannot support XAVC S. The blinking NO CARD indicator is on. Brand new card from BB!

Will support AVCHD as will an old Class 6.


SOLUTION: format as EX-FAT Using OS X Disk Utility.

The in-camera format does not work!
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Get a UHS U3 speed class 3 card that is made for 4K recording.
https://www.sdcard.org/consumers/speed/speed_class/

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-64GB-UHS-I-SDA3/dp/B00I3BQJNA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1395585946&sr=8-3&keywords=64GB+Kingston+SDXC+speed+class+3
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-32GB-UHS-I-SDA3/dp/B00I3BQJKS/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1395585946&sr=8-6&keywords=64GB+Kingston+SDXC+speed+class+3
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-16GB-UHS-I-SDA3/dp/B00I3BQJE4/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1395585946&sr=8-10&keywords=64GB+Kingston+SDXC+speed+class+3

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16GB Class 10 95MBps Sandisk Extreme Pro -- AX100 reports it can not support XAVC S. WTH! The blinking NO CARD indicator is on. Brand new card from BB!mad.gif

Will support AVCHD.

32GB Class 10 30MBps Sandisk Ultra -- AX100 reports it can not support XAVC S. The blinking NO CARD indicator is on. Brand new card from BB!mad.gif

Will support AVCHD as will Class 6.

You need a 64GB class 10 card. Sandisk Ultra and above is fine. The camera is looking for an SDXC card, formatted exFat. You do NOT need UH3. I use a 64GB sdxc Ultra.
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I see the SanDisk Extreme Pro 64 GB SDXC Class 10 UHS-1 Flash Memory Card 95MB/s SDSDXPA-064G-AFFP is a few bucks cheaper than the Kingston Digital Kingston Digital 64GB SDHC UHS-I Speed Class 3 Flash Card (SDA3/64GB ) on Amazon so with the AX100 I guess it's your choice but with the 4K GH4 it requires a speed class 3 UHS U3 card.

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Class-Memory-SDSDXPA-064G-AFFP/dp/B007NDL54C/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395589546&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=64GB+SDXC+Sandisak

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Transcend has launched two new product lines of SD cards with UHS-I Speed Class 3 ratings, which provide a minimum sustained write speed of 30MB/s. The higher minimum write speed meets the requirements of 4K video capture from existing 4K cameras like the Sony FDR-AX100, Panasonic Lumix GH4 and Canon EOS C500.
http://www.photographybay.com/2014/03/23/transcend-launches-4k-ready-uhs-i-speed-class-3-sd-cards/

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The 95MBs card is uhs-1 and works fine, but only if you first format as EX-FAT Using OS X Disk Utility.

The in-camera format does not work!
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Keep in mind these cards are easily formatted in Windows PCs too. I did just that a few minutes ago with a card I had been using with the RX10. It now works perfectly in the AX100.
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Sony does specify an SDXC card for XAVC.

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"SDHC cards are shipped preformatted with the FAT32 file system."

"SDXC adopts Microsoft's exFAT file system as a mandatory feature"

So one must buy SDXC cards and they start at 64GB:

SanDisk Extreme Pro 64 GB SDXC Class 10 UHS-1 Flash Memory Card 95MB/s SDSDXPA-064G-AFFP

SanDisk Extreme Plus 64 GB SDXC Class 10 UHS-1 Flash Memory Card 80MB/s SDSDXS-064G-AFFP

Lexar Professional 400x 128GB SDXC UHS-I Flash Memory Card LSD128CTBNA400

These cards can be very expensive unless bought on-line and may not be available in many locations.
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Sony does specify an SDXC card for XAVC.

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"SDHC cards are shipped preformatted with the FAT32 file system."

"SDXC adopts Microsoft's exFAT file system as a mandatory feature"

So one must buy SDXC cards and they start at 64GB:

SanDisk Extreme Pro 64 GB SDXC Class 10 UHS-1 Flash Memory Card 95MB/s SDSDXPA-064G-AFFP

SanDisk Extreme Plus 64 GB SDXC Class 10 UHS-1 Flash Memory Card 80MB/s SDSDXS-064G-AFFP

Lexar Professional 400x 128GB SDXC UHS-I Flash Memory Card LSD128CTBNA400

These cards can be very expensive unless bought on-line and may not be available in many locations.

NO, NO, NO. You do not need those expensive cards. Waste of money. This has already been discussed. You can use, for example, Sandisk Ultra SDXC cards (30MBs/sec) which are cheap and available everywhere ($45). There are even cheaper cards that are class 10 and 64GB. And, you can format any card to exFAT. I use Ultra cards, and have shot hundreds of clips in 4K using them, including this video: https://vimeo.com/89673510#comment_11319741. Proof enough?
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You can use, for example, Sandisk Ultra SDXC cards (30MBs/sec) which are cheap and available everywhere ($45). There are even cheaper cards that are class 10 and 64GB. And, you can format any card to exFAT.

1) If you are traveling you can reformat IF you have a computer with you. Many folks travel with a tablet or only a smartphone.

2) Since until the last few days NO ONE has had an AX100 where are the DATA that proves such slow cards work when doing dual recording and as the card becomes more filled?

3) Sony cards are 45MBps.

4) The high-end card is only $100 when bought on-line which seems worth it until more information becomes posted.
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1) If you are traveling you can reformat IF you have a computer with you. Many folks travel with a tablet or only a smartphone.

2) Since until the last few days NO ONE has had an AX100 where are the DATA that proves such slow cards work when doing dual recording and as the card becomes more filled?

3) Sony cards are 45MBps.

4) The high-end card is only $100 when bought on-line which seems worth it until more information becomes posted.

This is all nonsense.

1. You do not need to RE format when you are traveling to exFat. You format to exFat before you travel. Then you can format the card in the camera to get rid of files. And the card will still work. You thus do not need to travel with a computer (except maybe to store the files you take off the sd card).

2. I have the camera. And I am telling you what is true, so why are you arguing? Mathematics also tells you that you do not need even 45MBps cards - the bitrate for 4k is 60 Mbps, that is less than 10 MBps.

3. Sony cards are irrelevant. You do not need Sony cards, nor even 45 MBps cards (do the math).

4. What more information do you need? Are you calling me a liar smile.gif? You do not need to spend $100 for a 64GB sd card that will work on the AX100.
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You do not need to RE format when you are traveling to exFat. You format to exFat before you travel. Then you can format the card in the camera to get rid of files. And the card will still work. You thus do not need to travel with a computer (except maybe to store the files you take off the sd card). What more information do you need? Are you calling me a liar smile.gif?

You take off on a month long trip through Asia. Your pre-formatted SDXC cards go missing on the way to Hanoi. With no computer you have no way of re-formatting. Your trust of your math is touching. You are welcome to go cheap -- until several more months of folks posting their LONG-TERM experience -- I'll be conservative.
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You take off on a month long trip through Asia. Your pre-formatted SDXC cards go missing on the way to Hanoi. With no computer you have no way of re-formatting. Your assumptions show someone who is very inexperienced. You trust of your math shows it. You are welcome to go cheap -- until several more months of folks posting their LONG-TERM experience -- I'll be conservative.

LOL. You are right, I am inexperienced, because I trust - MATH! Dicey math. Go ahead and waste your money, I am only responding so that others do not waste their money.

I own Sandisk Extreme Pro Sandisk cards. I use them to shoot RAW video, where they are needed.

And what do you expect will change after months of experience? Suddenly the AX100 bitrate will go up? The Sandisk Ultras will suddenly write slower? This is a digital world; either the card works or not.

Oh, and I just returned from a three-week trip to Asia. Didn't lose any cards. That only happens to the inexperienced smile.gif
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This is a digital world; either the card works or not.

Not exactly -- but why argue.
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Not exactly -- but why argue.

So that we can learn what is true. No one should pay any attention to your conclusions (about the cards); they are demonstrably false. Have a good trip to Asia.
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Like Mark, I reformatted an SDHC card to exFAT and had zero issues using it today in 4K on the AX100.

If it worked today, I have no reason to believe it won't work tomorrow. If you don't trust this, you are certainly free to spend the extra money for an SDXC card. Your choice.
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You guys really sure your not getting dropped frames when shooting in 4K in the highest bit rate? How low can you go?
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Like Mark, I reformatted an SDHC card to exFAT and had zero issues using it today in 4K on the AX100.

If it worked today, I have no reason to believe it won't work tomorrow. If you don't trust this, you are certainly free to spend the extra money for an SDXC card. Your choice.
So Ken the AX100 works with a 32GB SDHC card when formatted with exFAT , that should cut down on card costs.
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You guys really sure your not getting dropped frames when shooting in 4K in the highest bit rate? How low can you go?

60Mbps = <10 MBps; that's how low you can go. But there may be some peaks above 60, so 30 MBps should be more than fine (that's more than 225 Mbps!).
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So Ken the AX100 works with a 32GB SDHC card when formatted with exFAT , that should cut down on card costs.

It has thus far. I can't say I've tried recording a 20 minute clip, but so far so good. Of course my SDHC card is a high speed card within this class.
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