Sony A7s will shoot 4k video! Live announcement at 2pm Las Vegas time on Sunday! - Page 6 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #151 of 205 Old 04-10-2014, 09:15 AM
Member
 
eddyxwb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Qwinnett County, GA
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
My mind is already set for GH4 but it would be good to know what Sony is going for when it release.
eddyxwb is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #152 of 205 Old 04-10-2014, 10:03 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
jogiba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,709
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

^ Joe, and that's before you add the external 4K recorder necessary for 4K recording. So whatever the price of the body, it's going to be a lot pricier than the GH4 that already has that capability.
Ken, the A7s will cost $3,450 ! And to think I almost cancelled my GH4 pre-order after seeing the A7s rumored 4K specs .
Quote:
The world’s first store accepting preorders and unveiling the price of the new Sony A7s is WexUK (Click here). But asked via Twitter they also said that the price “is given to us by Sony, but it may change between now and the release date“. For comparison: WexUk sells the A7r for 1669 pounds! The A7s costs exactly $50 more! Based on the current A7r Amazon pricing the A7s could cost around $3,450! That would be higher than expected. I hope Sony will read your comments so that they will lower the price smile.gif
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-a7-gets-a-provisory-price-in-uk-2500-pounds/
jogiba is offline  
post #153 of 205 Old 04-10-2014, 10:31 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Ken Ross's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: N.Y.
Posts: 23,213
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 390 Post(s)
Liked: 563
Joe, that's nuts. In many respects it offers less than the GH4, yet it's twice the price?! I guess Sony doesn't want to sell too many of these.

Yup, you're lucky you didn't cancel your GH4 preorder.
Ken Ross is offline  
post #154 of 205 Old 04-10-2014, 10:55 AM
AVS Special Member
 
xfws's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,430
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Joe, that's nuts. In many respects it offers less than the GH4, yet it's twice the price?! I guess Sony doesn't want to sell too many of these.

Yup, you're lucky you didn't cancel your GH4 preorder.

The U.S. market is typically cheaper for the same camera.

For example, the GH4 is selling for $1,698 at Amazon U.S.:
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-GH4KBODY-16-05MP-Mirrorless-Cinematic/dp/B00I9GYG8O/ref=sr_1_1/189-1316207-8790735?ie=UTF8&qid=1397152202&sr=8-1&keywords=GH4

and Amazon UK for £1,306, which is $2,192 (about a $500 difference):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-DMC-GH3HEB-K-Compact-System-14-140mm/dp/B009T3DEQ6/ref=sr_1_1/275-7477942-6467655?ie=UTF8&qid=1397152222&sr=8-1&keywords=GH4
xfws is offline  
post #155 of 205 Old 04-10-2014, 11:11 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
jogiba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,709
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Joe, that's nuts. In many respects it offers less than the GH4, yet it's twice the price?! I guess Sony doesn't want to sell too many of these.

Yup, you're lucky you didn't cancel your GH4 preorder.
Since I now have the 128GB UHS-1 U3 card I am ready to shoot 4K with the GH4 Ken.smile.gif
jogiba is offline  
post #156 of 205 Old 04-10-2014, 11:25 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Ken Ross's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: N.Y.
Posts: 23,213
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 390 Post(s)
Liked: 563
Quote:
Originally Posted by xfws View Post

The U.S. market is typically cheaper for the same camera.


Even so, still no bargain for the A7s. I might feel differently if it recorded 4K internally, but it doesn't. The GH4 is obviously a far better buy IMO, unless you have a real need to shoot in the dark. wink.gif
Ken Ross is offline  
post #157 of 205 Old 04-10-2014, 11:26 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Ken Ross's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: N.Y.
Posts: 23,213
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 390 Post(s)
Liked: 563
Quote:
Originally Posted by jogiba View Post

Since I now have the 128GB UHS-1 U3 card I am ready to shoot 4K with the GH4 Ken.smile.gif

And that's the point Joe.
Ken Ross is offline  
post #158 of 205 Old 04-10-2014, 11:34 AM
AVS Special Member
 
xfws's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,430
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Even so, still no bargain for the A7s. I might feel differently if it recorded 4K internally, but it doesn't. The GH4 is obviously a far better buy IMO, unless you have a real need to shoot in the dark. wink.gif

I hear you, the GH4 is a solid camera without need for the external.

I'm just saying that UK prices are not directly related to U.S.
A better example might be...

Sony AX100X £1,939.00 ($3,254):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-AX100X-Camcorder-Exmor-Sensor/dp/B00HR684W6/ref=sr_1_1/277-3461972-0331846?ie=UTF8&qid=1397154256&sr=8-1&keywords=sony+ax100

Sony FDR-AX100 $1998:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-FDR-AX100-Video-Camera-3-5-Inch/dp/B00HNJWVIA/ref=sr_1_1/183-0020607-4539133?ie=UTF8&qid=1397154222&sr=8-1&keywords=sony+ax100
xfws is offline  
post #159 of 205 Old 04-11-2014, 06:02 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
jogiba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,709
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked: 59
It looks like Sony is going all out with the full frame E mount system now and not so much with the legacy Minolta A mount (A77,A99 etc).

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/more-info-about-the-new-28-135mm-f4-0-fe-powerzoom-and-a7s-xlr-kit/



The image on top shows the new 28-135mm f/4.0 FE Powerzoom lens on the new A7s. You can here some more interesting tidbits about the lens from ninute 6:00 of that video:
jogiba is offline  
post #160 of 205 Old 04-11-2014, 06:44 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
jogiba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,709
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked: 59
A7s low light video shot at up to 409,600 iso !

jogiba is offline  
post #161 of 205 Old 04-11-2014, 08:20 AM
Senior Member
 
William Chiu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: NYC
Posts: 267
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 59
wonder if that powered zoom is truly a cinema lens with no or minimal breathing issues.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jogiba View Post

It looks like Sony is going all out with the full frame E mount system now and not so much with the legacy Minolta A mount (A77,A99 etc).

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/more-info-about-the-new-28-135mm-f4-0-fe-powerzoom-and-a7s-xlr-kit/



The image on top shows the new 28-135mm f/4.0 FE Powerzoom lens on the new A7s. You can here some more interesting tidbits about the lens from ninute 6:00 of that video:
William Chiu is offline  
post #162 of 205 Old 04-11-2014, 08:31 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
jogiba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,709
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked: 59
I would think so since it has focus and aperture control rings feature industry standard gearing.
jogiba is offline  
post #163 of 205 Old 04-11-2014, 11:23 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Chevypower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 38
That's sweet, Sony would be wise to focus on E-mount lenses (no pun intended). I guess they didn't really need the Minolta acquisition in the first place.
Chevypower is offline  
post #164 of 205 Old 04-11-2014, 01:26 PM
AVS Special Member
 
slimoli's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Miami area
Posts: 4,647
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 30
That Hi-ISO video is very impressive. Indie crowd will love that!

Standard Definition Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy
slimoli is offline  
post #165 of 205 Old 04-12-2014, 02:14 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
jogiba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,709
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked: 59
jogiba is offline  
post #166 of 205 Old 04-12-2014, 08:56 PM
Member
 
AJInstitute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 31
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 13

$400 off list for pre-order? Seems fishy.

AJInstitute is offline  
post #167 of 205 Old 04-13-2014, 11:55 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Chevypower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 38
I believe 42nd is a typical bait and switch store.
Chevypower is offline  
post #168 of 205 Old 04-14-2014, 05:03 AM
AVS Special Member
 
bsprague's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: On the Road
Posts: 2,835
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 92
Don't confuse 42nd St Photo with 47th St Photo. Different stores, different policies and different reputations.

http://www.42photo.com/default.htm

http://47stphotoonline.com/

My personal favorite New York supplier is B&H whose definition of honesty, service and support is over the top. Sometimes I'll use Amazon for faster shipping and the tie in supplier might be Adorama.

It would be nicer to buy local, unfortunately internet shopping has become a more convenient and more competitive experience to fighting traffic, parking and paying Sales Tax.
bsprague is offline  
post #169 of 205 Old 04-14-2014, 08:23 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Chevypower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

Don't confuse 42nd St Photo with 47th St Photo. Different stores, different policies and different reputations.

http://www.42photo.com/default.htm

http://47stphotoonline.com/

My personal favorite New York supplier is B&H whose definition of honesty, service and support is over the top. Sometimes I'll use Amazon for faster shipping and the tie in supplier might be Adorama.

It would be nicer to buy local, unfortunately internet shopping has become a more convenient and more competitive experience to fighting traffic, parking and paying Sales Tax.
Ok thanks, I was thinking there were two with similar names, I'm sure it was deliberate by the bait and switch store. B&H is good, but I agree that buying from a local business is the way to go. It's hard to complain about local jobs disappearing when we buy all our stuff online. Plus a local store here is owned by a professional wildlife photographer who offers a free class for buying a camera from him. I'm sure many other small businesses offer some incentive to buy from them because they know about the unfair sales tax system that puts online businesses at an advantage.
Chevypower is offline  
post #170 of 205 Old 04-16-2014, 08:35 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
jogiba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,709
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked: 59
Shooting by moonlight should be possible with the A7s and 50mm F0.95 !
Quote:
I just got this picture and the full specs of the soon to be announced Mitakon 50mm f/0.95 Full Frame E-mount lens! Like I already told you before the lens will be unveiled on April 20th and costs $799 only. It's Mitakon second E-mount lens after the [shoplink 14656 ebay]35mm f/0.95 lens for ASP-C E-mount cameras (they are on auction here on eBay)[/shoplink] which unlike the new 50mm lens doesn't cover the FF sensor area. Image samples of the soon to come 50mm lens can be seen on that SAR post (Click here).

The lens will ship in May and these are the specs:
Lens mount: Sony FE
Focal length: 50mm
Optics: 10 Elements (7 groups)
Image cover: 35mm full frame
Max. Aperture: f/0.95
Min. Aperture: f/16
Filter size: 58mm
Lens size: 87mm (L) x 68.5mm (diameter)
Weight: 720g.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/first-image-of-the-new-mitakon-50mm-f0-95-full-frame-e-mount-lens/

jogiba is offline  
post #171 of 205 Old 04-20-2014, 03:28 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Paulo Teixeira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,667
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 32
The reasoning for lack of internal 4K recordings is mentioned at the 4:20 mark. Now that's according to Sony.
Paulo Teixeira is online now  
post #172 of 205 Old 04-20-2014, 05:07 AM
Advanced Member
 
brunerww's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 985
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 30
Thanks, Paulo. The big news for me is at 3:17 - "no limited record times. most interchangeable lens cameras on the market today are limited to 29 minutes, 59 seconds..." Hallelujah - Sony finally removes this stupid limit from one of its interchangeable lens cameras! I hope this is a sign of the future for lower priced E-mount cameras.

I would have ditched my GH4 pre-order and bought this camera if it had internal 4K recording.

Congratulations on finding someone from Sony USA at the A7 display. All I could find were very nice people from Sony Japan with limited English-language skills frown.gif

Cheers,

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution
brunerww is offline  
post #173 of 205 Old 04-20-2014, 05:35 AM
Advanced Member
 
hatchback's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 523
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Liked: 53
The Sony rep also mentions that the unlimited recording time is possible because the A7s has a larger heat sink than the A7 and A7r. (Which is why the A7s is also heavier.)
hatchback is offline  
post #174 of 205 Old 04-20-2014, 05:50 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Paulo Teixeira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,667
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 32
Here"s Vitaliy's response to my video. He's the person who hacked the GH1 and GH2 so he a bit knowledgeable about this stuff.
"Sole reason for lack of 4K recording is lack of suitable LSI that can compress and store it."
Paulo Teixeira is online now  
post #175 of 205 Old 04-20-2014, 03:43 PM
Advanced Member
 
brunerww's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 985
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 30
Maybe they can buy an LSI from Panasonic - or buy a GH4 and reverse engineer it wink.gif

I talked to Will Thompson at Atomos, and he said Sony called him at the last minute and asked him if he was working on a 4K recorder. He said "yes, but we're planning to announce it in the Fall"

Sony asked him to push it up to NAB for a joint announcement with the A7s.

My guess is that the A7s rollout was a crisis response to Panasonic's GH4 announcement in February - and that they rushed the camera to market before the engineering was completely done.
brunerww is offline  
post #176 of 205 Old 05-16-2014, 12:50 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Paulo Teixeira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,667
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 32
Paulo Teixeira is online now  
post #177 of 205 Old 05-16-2014, 05:20 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Ken Ross's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: N.Y.
Posts: 23,213
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 390 Post(s)
Liked: 563
I'll be more interested when they release the next version that records 4K internally.
Ken Ross is offline  
post #178 of 205 Old 06-03-2014, 06:38 AM
Advanced Member
 
brunerww's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 985
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 30
New post: Sony Builds Anticipation for A7s with "Detailed Hands On" Video


They really need to get more footage out there.

Cheers,

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution
brunerww is offline  
post #179 of 205 Old 06-04-2014, 03:03 PM
Senior Member
 
Tugela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 419
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Liked: 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

The US pricing has been set to $2,498.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044728-REG/sony_ilce7s_b_alpha_a7s_mirrorless_digital.html

The Canadian pre-order price is $CDN 2499.99, so given the exchange rate, it would be cheaper to buy it in Canada smile.gif
Tugela is offline  
post #180 of 205 Old 06-04-2014, 03:52 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
jogiba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,709
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by jogiba View Post

$2,500 at 42nd ST Photo pre-order.
http://www.42photo.com/pd-productid-109683-k-sony_alpha_a7s_mirrorless_digital_camera.htm
Looks like 42nd St Photo had the correct price in the US before any other dealer.
jogiba is offline  
Reply Camcorders

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off