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Here is a video of afternoon baseball taken in 4K using the Sony FDR AX100:

https://vimeo.com/91928654

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Shutter-priority mode, 1/60th, AE shift, manual and auto focus, with focus peaking, zebras. Active mode stabilization.

Note the sunny and cloudy scene differences.

The original UHD video is downloadable.


Here are some videos I took using various cameras/camcorders in the past under similar conditions, all at 108060p:


Panasonic TM900:

https://vimeo.com/38663820

https://vimeo.com/21253941


Panasonic FZ200

https://vimeo.com/65513578

Sony HDR Hhx9v:

https://vimeo.com/22535092

Panasonic Z10000 (original in 3D):

https://vimeo.com/39366653
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Mark, I guess you've proved that the AX100 CAN be used as a 'sports cam'. Very nicely done. smile.gif

What's amazing is how much 'finer' the image is than the other cameras you've posted. On some of them, parts of the image blow out quite easily. It seems the DR is much better than the other cameras.

The difference in clarity and resolution is really huge when you see similar wide shots between the other cams & the AX100.
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Hi

Use of the slow shutter speed is necessary with low frame-rates but hasn't completely removed the obvious judder for me (another sickening 4K experience of motion breaking down), the slow shutter also means stop motion is lacking detail, and no option for any decent slow motion. No TV broadcaster in this world uses anything less than 50 or 60fps for sports for good reason. Test transmissions of the winter Olympics were at 300 frames per second!

No one has really compared with the other clips at decent 60p frame-rates by downloading the original files by the looks of it as they are archived and not available for several hours still. I'm the first to request them!

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Use of the slow shutter speed is necessary with low frame-rates but hasn't completely removed the obvious judder for me (another sickening 4K experience of motion breaking down), the slow shutter also means stop motion is lacking detail, and no option for any decent slow motion. No TV broadcaster in this world uses anything less than 50 or 60fps for sports for good reason. Test transmissions of the winter Olympics were at 300 frames per second!

No one has really compared with the other clips at decent 60p frame-rates by downloading the original files by the looks of it as they are archived and not available for several hours still. I'm the first to request them!

Regards

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1/60th is the appropriate shutter speed for 60i and 60p too for smooth video. I think there is something medically wrong with you if what you say is true ("another sickening 4K experience of motion breaking down"). I shoot plenty of sports, almost all so far at 60p, and this one. I prefer 60p too, but do not get sickened watching this one. No one who has seen it that I know reports getting sick. Get this attended to right away, as it may be a symptom of something much more serious.
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Ah yes, another 'sickening' post by Phil. I agree, he really needs to consult with a physician. rolleyes.gif

He's 'sickened' by this camera, but can't stay away from the AX100 threads. Isn't there a name for that?
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I must have an AX100 disease too as I am sickened by the "camera is wearing a pair of sunglasses" look to the footage of the AX100:
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Keep saying it SD90, but it doesn't make it so. Again, as usual, you are the only one making this comment anywhere on any forum. And so it goes. The sky is blue and the sand is tan. Should the sand be blue? Would that make you happy? I think a new calibrated monitor would help your perception greatly. It's either that, your eyes or the rest of us are the ones who need new monitors. smile.gif

Haven't you returned the camera? If so, why not move on to some camera that isn't wearing sunglasses and rendering all colors in shades of brown?
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Haven't you returned the camera? If so, why not move on to some camera that isn't wearing sunglasses and rendering all colors in shades of brown?
I suspect most folks on the forum will be moving on to the likes of a Panasonic GH4 or Canon 7D Mark II as soon as those (and perhaps other) affordable non-camcorder 4k models are available, just as most folks moved on from the Panasonic TM 700/900 camcorders 2-3 years ago.
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I suspect most folks on the forum will be moving on to the likes of a Panasonic GH4 or Canon 7D Mark II as soon as those (and perhaps other) affordable non-camcorder 4k models are available, just as most folks moved on from the Panasonic TM 700/900 camcorders 2-3 years ago.

This thread is implicitly, really explicitly, about shooting sports in 4K. The GH4 and the Canon 7D Mark II are useless for shooting sports videos - among other reasons, no adequate power zoom.
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This thread is implicitly, really explicitly, about shooting sports in 4K. The GH4 and the Canon 7D Mark II are useless for shooting sports videos - among other reasons, no adequate power zoom.

But Mark, they may be able to shoot with colors that aren't in shades of brown. biggrin.gif
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I suspect most folks on the forum will be moving on to the likes of a Panasonic GH4 or Canon 7D Mark II as soon as those (and perhaps other) affordable non-camcorder 4k models are available, just as most folks moved on from the Panasonic TM 700/900 camcorders 2-3 years ago.

Most folks? Based on what, your fictitious 'finding' that the AX100 video looks like it was shot through brown sunglasses? The fact is some will and some won't. Many will be perfectly happy with the AX100.

Why not post over in the GH4 & 7D threads since you have no use for the AX100?

Back to the AX100 and shooting sports...something Mark has proved can be done quite well with the AX100.
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I suspect most folks on the forum will be moving on to the likes of a Panasonic GH4 or Canon 7D Mark II as soon as those (and perhaps other) affordable non-camcorder 4k models are available, just as most folks moved on from the Panasonic TM 700/900 camcorders 2-3 years ago.

What makes you think the 7D2 will have 4K video? It might, and certainly if Canon were reasonably prepared for the 4K revolution it would, but if they were not it may still just be 1080p.

People who use the AX100 as a camcorder will still be using it since it is pretty much the only camcorder that is reasonably available to consumers at the moment. For all its merits, the GH4 is still a DSLM camera, and is consequently going to have all of the faults those cameras have when it comes to video.
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I must have an AX100 disease too as I am sickened by the "camera is wearing a pair of sunglasses" look to the footage of the AX100:

So? Adjust the white balance then.
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This thread is implicitly, really explicitly, about shooting sports in 4K. The GH4 and the Canon 7D Mark II are useless for shooting sports videos - among other reasons, no adequate power zoom.

Not to mention, the 7D2 does not exist outside of rumors at the moment smile.gif
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What makes you think the 7D2 will have 4K video?
There's been speculation about it on the main Canon forum: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1371153
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There's been speculation about it on the main Canon forum: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1371153

They have been speculating about it's imminent arrival for one and a half years. That tells me that either the original version got pulled for a redesign and might have 4K, or it is an old design that got bogged down in development for one reason or another, and if that is the case it will not have 4K.
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