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post #1 of 13 Old 07-11-2014, 09:26 AM - Thread Starter
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camera or camcorder best $300 option for indoor video

Hi, I need something slightly better than what my phone can provide for video.

I am considering the s120 which I can pickup for around $300. I have also peaked at the lx7 but not sure it's available in Thailand.

I tried getting an answer at dpreview, but it is proving difficult.

Basically my belief is/was that the 1/1.7 in the s120 is going to provide better indoor video than a $300 camcorder with 1/3.

I am not concerned about mic input, zoom etc. Just what will provide best indoor video in normal indoor lighting in regards to noise and sharpness... Size is a factor as well. Smaller is better with lx7 being about the max that I would want it.

All of my videos will be uploaded to YouTube, so not sure how that changes the equation (max fps 30, but appears will be going up to 60 soon. bit rate seems unlimited. They recommend up to 50k, so assuming it won't get processed down)

Any suggestions camera or camcorder wise?

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post #2 of 13 Old 07-11-2014, 09:28 AM
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Would love to know as well


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Some here like the Canon EOS M for video and it has a 1.6x crop APS-C sensor that is much larger than any camcorder in it's price range.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191236048048
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EF-M-2...21224962?rt=nc


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Thanks for the reply, this may be too bulky for me. I am looking for something as compact as possible.

...hmm... I will still look into it.

I have a question.. Will the s120 with 1/1.7 likely produce better video than a $300 1/5 camcorder?

Also, has anyone any experience with these new cheap canon camcorders with projectors built in?

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EOS M bulky
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EOS M bulky
Compared to the s120 and compact camcorders...yes...
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The body is 4 -1/4 ins by 1-1/8 and not being a pixie its as small as i would want.
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you better check on the battery life in video mode on the s120. i remember it being pretty horrible
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Compared to the s120 and compact camcorders...yes...
EOS M is crap in 720p60 and has only two lenses - it is a joke. You can use EF lenses, but with the adapter it is almost as thick as the T4i and costs the same. The EOS M is one of the stupidest systems available on the market.
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EOS M is crap in 720p60 and has only two lenses - it is a joke. You can use EF lenses, but with the adapter it is almost as thick as the T4i and costs the same. The EOS M is one of the stupidest systems available on the market.
T4i prices now:
http://www.amazon.com/s/190-4308243-...tag=mozilla-20

I'm aware of three Canon EF-M lenses, one has to be ordered out of US or ebay and a fourth with an EF-M mount made by Samyang.
There also might be more on the way:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/news...ke-zoom-lenses

Jogiba's ebay link has the EOS M kit/with store warranty for $250. Seems a good value if you're restricted to $300. Yes, the 60p is crappy but 30P looks good, at least to me.

(Asking), what would you suggest for $300 instead, something like a used/refurbished Canon HF M500, or?

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Even with the adaptor the EOS M is small,obviously other lenses depending on which will increase the size,i can only compare with a GH2 and 550D and prefer the EOS M to them regarding cameras for video and stills,for some other filming types of filming a camcorder is better.
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T4i prices now:
http://www.amazon.com/s/190-4308243-...tag=mozilla-20

I'm aware of three Canon EF-M lenses, one has to be ordered out of US or ebay and a fourth with an EF-M mount made by Samyang.
There also might be more on the way:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/news...ke-zoom-lenses

Jogiba's ebay link has the EOS M kit/with store warranty for $250. Seems a good value if you're restricted to $300. Yes, the 60p is crappy but 30P looks good, at least to me.

(Asking), what would you suggest for $300 instead, something like a used/refurbished Canon HF M500, or?
You are comparing EOS M deals with the regular prices on the T4i. There are deals on the T4i, you can buy it for $450 body only, on Christmas it was available for $410. This is comparable to the deal price of the EOS M + EF adapter.

There are no native telephoto lenses for the EOS M, with the EF lenses it is front heavy and falls from hand. You cannot hold it with just one right hand, and if you try you will be hitting the buttons on the right top corner - an idiotic decision by Canon to put buttons there.

Panasonic/Sony small cameras with big sensors make more sense because they do not require an adapter.

If I needed a simple camera for video I would look for a used HDC-SD600 or HDC-SD800 on eBay - 1080p60 and also 1080p24 albeit with stupid pulldown.

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Panasonic HC-V550. I use a 500 commercially and is no longer available. The 550 is the newest model. Right now it is < $350 @ B&H, but I pad $275 for mine earlier this year.

Shooting indoors will depend a lot on good lighting.
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