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4K Samsung Note 4 with OIS




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Thanks for posting, Joe. Looks good! Hopefully the same 4k video quality as the Note 3 but with OIS.
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Samsung Galaxy Note Edge hands on

This is the Note 4 with edge display.



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It's not just picture taking that should be improved in this model, but also image viewing. The Note 4 comes with a 5.7-inch 2560×1440 QHD that offers a very high pixel density of 518 ppi. Android 4.4 is, depending on region, powered by a quad- or octa-core processor and 3GB of RAM. Images can be stored on 32GB internal memory or a microSD card. The 3320 mAh battery offers a quick-charging mode that according to Samsung lets you charge from 0 to 50% within approximately 30 minutes.
We'll have to wait for a review unit to properly assess the Note 4's imaging performance but on paper the new model looks like a great option for mobile photographers who prefer larger devices. The Note 4 will be available globally in four colors starting in October. No information on pricing has been released yet.
Key specification:

  • 16MP BSI CMOS sensor
  • Optical image stabilization
  • 3.7MP / F1.9 front camera
  • 4K video recording
  • 5.7-inch 2560×1440 QHD Super AMOLED display
  • 2.7 GHz Quad-Core or 1.9 GHz Octa-Core (1.9GHz Quad + 1.3GHz Quad-Core) Processor (depending on region)
  • Android 4.4
  • 3GB RAM
  • 32GB storage and microSD support
  • 3320 mAh battery with quick-charging
At the launch event Samsung also showcased the Galaxy Note Edge which will be launched at an unspecified point in time later this year. The Note Edge comes with very similar specifications to the Note 4 but features a unique 5.6-inch QHD resolution screen with an additional 160 pixels wide curved edge that provides quick access to frequently used apps, alerts and other functions. This also works when the optional cover is closed and allows you to view notifications while watching full-screen video.


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Joe, I've read about the Note 4, but can't seem to confirm that OIS works in conjunction with 4K.
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Joe, I've read about the Note 4, but can't seem to confirm that OIS works in conjunction with 4K.
That's the $700 (or whatever) question. So many cameras seem to not have OIS or the best OIS for 4K mode when they have it for lesser resolutions. This despite stabilization being evidently more important for 4K shooting.
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Joe, I've read about the Note 4, but can't seem to confirm that OIS works in conjunction with 4K.
Ken, I asked that on the Marques BrownleeNote 4 video but stil no answer.

On the video @ 4:45 he says " it has OIS, a first for Samsung ". He also has posted the Edge version video.

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Optical image stabilization is a mechanical mechanism in the lens itself. It doesn't affect the sensor or the sensor readout, so it should work equally well in all video resolutions including the maximum resolution the sensor is capable of.

Digital image stabilization uses a cropping algorithm on the sensor readout, so it reduces the size of the image (as well as its measured resolution and dynamic range). As a result, some cameras with digital image stabilization may not be able to provide such stabilization at the highest resolutions.
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Optical image stabilization is a mechanical mechanism in the lens itself. It doesn't affect the sensor or the sensor readout, so it should work equally well in all video resolutions including the maximum resolution the sensor is capable of.

Digital image stabilization uses a cropping algorithm on the sensor readout, so it reduces the size of the image (as well as its measured resolution and dynamic range). As a result, some cameras with digital image stabilization may not be able to provide such stabilization at the highest resolutions.
Some camera companies use a combination of both.


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Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Video Sample 4K ULTRA HD OIS STABILIZATION

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I wonder it the electronic stabilization used in that last video is done in post or in camera with a hybrid stabilization and if so if it can be turned of, not a fan of wobbling architecture.
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There should be an option to turn it off like there is on many other phones. The warping of the buildings and other objects sure looks like an overdoing of PP stabilization from what I've seen.
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I wonder it the electronic stabilization used in that last video is done in post or in camera with a hybrid stabilization and if so if it can be turned of, not a fan of wobbling architecture.
I'm wondering if a tripod of some sort wasn't used. To me the pans looked like what you'd get from a small tripod.

On another note (no pun intended), I somehow felt the DR looked a bit better than typical cellphone video.
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I'm wondering if a tripod of some sort wasn't used. To me the pans looked like what you'd get from a small tripod.

On another note (no pun intended), I somehow felt the DR looked a bit better than typical cellphone video.
Im guessing monopod but it could also be a tripod and a stabilizer that is going bananas. There are some rotating motions well.
Some stabilizers have no trouble benign on tripods but some doesn't like it and start stabilizing without motion which leads to wobbling buildings as well. Either way it needs an option to turn it off imo.

The DR was for sure good for a cell phone. Im guessing that on a cloudy day it will have all the DR one would need for a typical street shoot.
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Maybe he let youtube do software IS PP like they offer when any shaking is detected after uploading.
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Good call, didnt think about that.
I have never used it so I dont know its characteristics but Im gonna guess its pretty bad.

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Good call, didnt think about that.
I have never used it so I dont know its characteristics but Im gonna guess its pretty bad.
I've played with it a little and been surprised that it works better than I expected. That said, my standards are likely lower than someone making video for clients!

Try a shaky clip and see what you think!

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Raw OIS sample.

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Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Reviews

Since it looks like the #1 all around 4K smartphone out today is the Note 4 I will put all of the latest reviews and video tests in this thread.

BTW Android 5.0 Lollipop will be available soon for the Note 4.


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I will chime in here because I just bought one. Despite the OIS icon not being available when recording video in 4k. It still appears that the functionality works because the video is quite stable. Not sure what final verdict is yet. Think the jury is still out.
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I will chime in here because I just bought one. Despite the OIS icon not being available when recording video in 4k. It still appears that the functionality works because the video is quite stable. Not sure what final verdict is yet. Think the jury is still out.
Yes, it records 4K videos with OIS. The only thing missing is the digital stabilization from the 4K and 2.5K video recording. The enhanced digital image stabilization can be used through 1080p and 720p. Not a big lose for me really, I prefer to use OIS over the digital one anytime.
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I will chime in here because I just bought one. Despite the OIS icon not being available when recording video in 4k. It still appears that the functionality works because the video is quite stable. Not sure what final verdict is yet. Think the jury is still out.
If that's the case, then that's great news! That would put it at the top of my list too. The only negative for the Note 4 would be what I'm sure is the continuing oversaturation that Samsung so loves in their phone's video output. That and the lack of OIS are the biggest negatives in my S5.
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I just watched this Note 4 video on YouTube, which does have me convinced there is OIS in 4K. It's obvious from this video that the camera is not tripod mounted, yet the video has a stability that I could never get with my S5.

But, as I suspected, Samsung is still hyping their color.

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If I get the Note 4 I will need the larger smartphone bracket for my Sony QX1 APS-C E mount camera since the standard one is 75mm and the Note 4 is 78mm wide. I guess by the time I get the Note 4 in mid January B&H should have it in stock. Here is my QX1 on my Verizon HTC Droid DNA with FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS with the tiny 16-50mm PZ OSS zoom in the background :

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I'm sorry Joe, that looks hysterical. I'm sure very effective, but hysterical.
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Ken, since it's lighter than many of my eyepieces it should work great on my scopes. Also with a Lens Turbo adapter a fast 85mm F1.4 becomes a 61mm F1.0 lens like the following combo on the QX1 :
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I just watched this Note 4 video on YouTube, which does have me convinced there is OIS in 4K.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltOKmPjhiR8
The shots sure were stabilized by at least an OIS. Whether any digital IS played a part is hard to say but probably not. The system seemed to work as well as or even be better than the one in our Sony AX100 cameras that IMO always need the combo OIS+EIS (active mode) to make handheld shots useable.

I think the contrasty and highly saturated looks are deliberated and intended by Samsung to appeal to the majority of the target market. From my experience editing cell phone footage, I've found only a few, a very small percentage indeed, who prefer the more natural looks of the 1+1 or Oppo Find7/7a footage (virtually identical except for the former's additional 4K DCI format).

It seems that has been the right marketing decision too as since the Note 4 came out over a week ago here in the Asian markets, it has outsold every other flagship from other manufacturers except Apple despite the price being significantly higher than any of them except, again, the iPhone 6 and 6+.

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I see MobileDecay is another person that can't see the difference in an 8mp image (4K UHD 2160p ) from a 2mp (1080p ) image. It reminds me of some people years ago when I showed them Cibachrome prints I made from my Pentax 6x7 MF using Kodachrome 120 or Fuji Velvia 50 120 and said the background was blurry and preferred to have the whole image in focus.
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The shots sure were stabilized by at least an OIS. Whether any digital IS played a part is hard to say but probably not. The system seemed to work as well as or even be better than the one in our Sony AX100 cameras that IMO always need the combo OIS+EIS (active mode) to make handheld shots useable.

I think the contrasty and highly saturated looks are deliberated and intended by Samsung to appeal to the majority of the target market. From my experience editing cell phone footage, I've found only a few, a very small percentage indeed, who prefer the more natural looks of the 1+1 or Oppo Find7/7a footage (virtually identical except for the former's additional 4K DCI format).

It seems that has been the right marketing decision too as since the Note 4 came out over a week ago here in the Asian markets, it has outsold every other flagship from other manufacturers except Apple despite the price being significantly higher than any of them except, again, the iPhone 6 and 6+.
That doesn't surprise me. Remember, when people buy they buy the entire package, not just the camera. IMO, few companies can match Samsung's total package. The last two Sammys I've had, the S4 and S5, have been the best cellphones I've ever owned.

As much as I'd like the camera to have colors that are more natural, when I look at my shooting style, I very rarely use the cellphone to shoot video.

Sometimes I find myself obsessing over the video quality prior to a purchase and then find I really hardly ever use it for video anyway.
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Sometimes I find myself obsessing over the video quality prior to a purchase and then find I really hardly ever use it for video anyway.
I hear you on that Ken. Just picked up a Note 4 and my son (been using the Note 3) is putting it through its paces for video this weekend.

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