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Bill, the GH5 video with Griffin Hammond who used the camera for a month was shot with the 42.5mm F1.2 Leica .

I hope there will be a firmware upgrade for dual IS .

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Transitioning from camcorder world GH5 looks very exciting now. What would be a favorite lens for this? Just curious ..

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Transitioning from camcorder world GH5 looks very exciting now. What would be a favorite lens for this? Just curious ..
My favorite lens for the Panasonics is this all-in-one solution with dual IS capability:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._ois_lens.html
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My favorite lens for the Panasonics is this all-in-one solution with dual IS capability:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._ois_lens.html
f/3.5-5.6 ? Seriously?
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This is one of the better ones. Most 10x or thereabouts zooms for M4/3 or APS-C image circle are either worse at f/6.3 or in some cases f/5.6 at the tele end but heavier and bigger than this lens. This is why 1" or smaller sensor cameras and palmcorders still have their place for a lot of people.
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f/3.5-5.6 ? Seriously?
Since most of my shooting is outdoors, yes, seriously.
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This is one of the better ones. Most 10x or thereabouts zooms for M4/3 or APS-C image circle are either worse at f/6.3 or in some cases f/5.6 at the tele end but heavier and bigger than this lens. This is why 1" or smaller sensor cameras and palmcorders still have their place for a lot of people.
Interestingly, I found the Panasonic 14-140 lens optically better than the Sony FF 24-240.
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I don't plan on getting a 10x zoom for my GH5 since I use my RX10 III 25x zoom for wide range zoom 4K UHD . I use my Lumix G Vario 100-300mm F/4.0-5.6 OIS Lens on the long end and will be using my 10-24mm Tamron with the GH5 IBIS on the short end or Lumix G Vario 14-45mm f/3.5-5.6 ASPH/MEGA O.I.S. My Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 75mm f/1.8 is super sharp and should work great with the IBIS. I also have the Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f/0.95, Leica DG Nocticron 42.5mm f/1.2 ASPH Power OIS and for ultra wide the Rokinon 7.5mm f/3.5 Ultra Wide-Angle that is very sharp wide open.
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My favorite lens for the Panasonics is this all-in-one solution with dual IS capability:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._ois_lens.html
Ken,

I use that lens a lot.
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I don't plan on getting a 10x zoom for my GH5 since I use my RX10 III 25x zoom for wide range zoom 4K UHD . I use my Lumix G Vario 100-300mm F/4.0-5.6 OIS Lens on the long end and will be using my 10-24mm Tamron with the GH5 IBIS on the short end or Lumix G Vario 14-45mm f/3.5-5.6 ASPH/MEGA O.I.S. My Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 75mm f/1.8 is super sharp and should work great with the IBIS. I also have the Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f/0.95, Leica DG Nocticron 42.5mm f/1.2 ASPH Power OIS and for ultra wide the Rokinon 7.5mm f/3.5 Ultra Wide-Angle that is very sharp wide open.
You have too many lenses. I would need a wheelbarrow to go shooting!

You might consider trading the 100-300 for the 100-400. Besides the obvious improvements, it will make your GH5 "weather resistant". I would have to check, but it may also do better with the GH5 stabilization system.
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I don't plan on getting a 10x zoom for my GH5 since I use my RX10 III 25x zoom for wide range zoom 4K UHD . I use my Lumix G Vario 100-300mm F/4.0-5.6 OIS Lens on the long end and will be using my 10-24mm Tamron with the GH5 IBIS on the short end or Lumix G Vario 14-45mm f/3.5-5.6 ASPH/MEGA O.I.S. My Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 75mm f/1.8 is super sharp and should work great with the IBIS. I also have the Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f/0.95, Leica DG Nocticron 42.5mm f/1.2 ASPH Power OIS and for ultra wide the Rokinon 7.5mm f/3.5 Ultra Wide-Angle that is very sharp wide open.
Great lens array, Joe. My objective with any of these systems is to keep it small, light, simple and portable. I guess it could also be called laziness on my part. I always look for a lens like the 14-140 for that reason.

When I was using the A7Rii, that was the rationale for the FF 24-240. When I went to the A6300, I went with the Sony 18-200. Now it's the Panny 14-140.

I still have the RX10iii, but realistically, I'm not sure how much use it will be getting down the road.
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Great lens array, Joe. My objective with any of these systems is to keep it small, light, simple and portable. I guess it could also be called laziness on my part. I always look for a lens like the 14-140 for that reason.

When I was using the A7Rii, that was the rationale for the FF 24-240. When I went to the A6300, I went with the Sony 18-200. Now it's the Panny 14-140.

I still have the RX10iii, but realistically, I'm not sure how much use it will be getting down the road.
Ken,

Which camera are you using the 14-140 on?

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Bill, the 100-400mm weighs twice as much as the 100-300mm and I normally use it at 100mm most of the time so I will stick with the 100-300. I have many options above 300mm that I could use.
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Bill, the 100-400mm weighs twice as much as the 100-300mm and I normally use it at 100mm most of the time so I will stick with the 100-300. I have many options above 300mm that I could use.
How big is your wheelbarrow?
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Which camera are you using the 14-140 on?

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Bill, the G85. I looked at that camera as an 'introduction' to the GH5. The GH5 will probably have the identical IBIS. The AF of the GH5 will also be similar, but with far more AF points.

I really like the G85, so I suspect the GH5 will be great.
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Bill, the G85. I looked at that camera as an 'introduction' to the GH5. The GH5 will probably have the identical IBIS. The AF of the GH5 will also be similar, but with far more AF points.

I really like the G85, so I suspect the GH5 will be great.
You may not recall, but you helped me decide on a GX7. It was good advice. I upgraded to a GX8 to get 4K and did it before the G85, which is probably what I would pick now.


Panasonic is good at keeping me interested in their march toward 8K!: "Panasonic once again confirmed they plan to launch a MFT camera with 8K by 2020....In future photographers may record videos instead of single photos. With 8K every single image has a native 33MP resolution!"

I enjoy the 14-140 on the GX8. Even without "Dual IS" when shooting 4K, it seems to work well for me. Joe would be disappointed in my lens collection as I have only one other.
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Bill, in a few years resolution, color depth and bitrates will be so high, you'll fill up a 64gig card with 10 seconds of video.

I'm glad that GX7 worked out for you, there are a lot of happy owners.
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Bill, in a few years resolution, color depth and bitrates will be so high, you'll fill up a 64gig card with 10 seconds of video. ......
Based on cameras and TVs I bought, it only took about 6 years from when 1080p HD was common and easy to find to now where 4K TVs and cameras are equally common and easy to find. 2016 seemed to have been a milestone where 4K TVs became plentiful and cheap.

I enjoy multi image merging of stills to expand the apparent dynamic range. Video will go there but it looks like it has to follow a different path.

SD card and storage drives seem to be keeping up to the pace set by the need for larger files.
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BTW with 1TB SDXC cards and H.265 you should be able to record for a long time.
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BTW with 1TB SDXC cards and H.265 you should be able to record for a long time.
I thought H.265 is only for the 4x3 Movie "burst" mode. Are you thinking that's going to be the highest quality? Does it use the full uncropped sensor width?

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What about 6K?
I want to get this feature out of the way first, not because I think it’s the most important one but because it’s intriguing and will be of interest to anyone chasing the highest resolution possible. However, like many early 4K — or even HD — cameras, we’re still a step away from “real” 6K resolutions in cameras in this size and price range.


The GH5 has two modes for capturing 6K sequences, but in both cases it’s capturing a 4:3 image, which is the aspect ratio of the sensor.


The 6K Photo Mode is intended to capture a short burst of frames that you can then export individual stills from. You can define the length of burst to record and have the camera continually over-write until you trigger the end of the sequence.


The Photo Mode is not intended for true video capture, but later in the year Panasonic will add 6K Anamorphic Mode, which captures a video sequence from the entire sensor, again at 4:3. The maximum quoted resolution of the sensor is 5184 x 3888, and a 6K 16:9 frame would be larger than that horizontally: 5760 x 3240. Panasonic is calling this “High Resolution Anamorphic,” and it will require an anamorphic lens.


The GH4 has a 4K Photo Mode and 4K Anamorphic Mode for video and with the higher resolution of the GH5, Panasonic has been able to make a 6K version of these features. If you’re willing to use an anamorphic lens you’ll get close to 6K capture with this camera.
http://filmmakermagazine.com/101015-.../#.WIEF2JK26g8

There might be a 6K 400Mbps (H.265 ?) firmware upgrade this summer .
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I thought H.265 is only for the 4x3 Movie "burst" mode. Are you thinking that's going to be the highest quality? Does it use the full uncropped sensor width?
Tom, that's my understanding too. For typical 4K shooting, H.265 won't be used.
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Cancelled my GH5 B&H order and pre-ordered with Samy's in LA because B&H just sent me email and said they will start collecting 7% NJ Sales Tax on February 1st since they will have a NJ location.


I guess I will not get it in the first month or two but should get it by the time the 400Mbps firmware upgrade shows up.


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Cancelled my GH5 B&H order and pre-ordered with Samy's in LA because B&H just sent me email and said they will start collecting 7% NJ Sales Tax on February 1st since they will have a NJ location.
Joe,

You make me laugh! In Washington State many of us consider it our form of patriotic protest to buy everything we can out of state.

There is a marvelous camera store near Seattle called "Kenmore Camera". It kills me to not buy much from them. But, it is an hour's drive each way through the worst of traffic and I have to pay 9.8% sales tax. (Washington State does not have income tax.)

I would consider it a favor if you checked Kenmore's status for a GH5. They say if I show up on January 23, they will have one I can touch, feel and see!

http://www.kenmorecamera.com/p-50391...lack-body.aspx

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Bill, I am getting the GH5 from Samy's for $1,997.99 with free shipping , no sales tax and $59.94 store credit that I will use towards a V90 UHS-II SDXC card. They are the largest camera dealer on the west coast. Kenmore wants a $250 deposit.

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Bill, I am getting the GH5 from Samy's for $1,997.99 with free shipping , no sales tax and $59.94 store credit that I will use towards a V90 UHS-II SDXC card. They are the largest camera dealer on the west coast. Kenmore wants a $250 deposit.

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Thank you for checking and considering to support my local camera store that I don't support very well. Note that it says the $250 is refundable.

I wonder sometimes how the system works when on a waiting list for products. Maybe Panasonic has quotas based on previous sales so that even if you are on three or four store waiting lists, your turn for delivery would be about the same.
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There is a marvelous camera store near Seattle called "Kenmore Camera". It kills me to not buy much from them. But, it is an hour's drive each way through the worst of traffic and I have to pay 9.8% sales tax. (Washington State does not have income tax.)
Would you consider driving up there to visit the GH5 presentation on January, 23? I don't know what it is going to be: a road tour of sorts. Will they let you play with the camera? Dunno.

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Would you consider driving up there to visit the GH5 presentation on January, 23? I don't know what it is going to be: a road tour of sorts. Will they let you play with the camera? Dunno.
I would except that I am "stuck" in Hawaii until a few days later!
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Bill, I wouldn't mind being 'stuck' in Hawaii. One of the nicer places to be 'stuck'.
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