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Can anyone explain to what my options are with recording with the UX7. Im completely new at this camcorder stuff and it seems to me that AVCHD recording it not something I should get into right now until some software is released to actually work with it, if I am wrong could someone correct me.

Once I make a recording I would like to be able to transfer it to a standard dvd so I can give copies to some friends. I would assume that I can record without having to use the HD feature (?) and then just copy from the mini dvd to my computer and then to standard dvd?

Any help would be greatly appreciated
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2 bad things about the current AVCHD standard

1. currently there is no NLE software that supports it.
2. either they are softer than the HDV counterpart or blockier / choppier than the HDV counterpart to. It's a reminiscence of 1st gen budget HDV camcorders.

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Something to also keep in mind is that it seems like AVCHD devices aren't created equal. Japanese sites such as here are saying that Panasonic camcorders use the "high profile" AVCHD standard while Sony camcorders use the lower quality "main profile" AVCHD standard.
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Forget all the nay sayers. You can just do a disk copy to DVD to make backups. They work just fine. You can do this with HD also and it plays great in the Sony PS3 or Blu Ray DVD player. The quality is terrific. It seems like tape people are jealous because they have to deal with copying tapes in real time.
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sure, we tape-heads are jealous for AVC lower-than-HDV picture quality. We're also jealous because HDV can't stop us from editing the footage, whereas with AVC it's automatically refrain us from wasting our time editing since there is no NLE support anyway.

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I have seen this comment twice now...do you really have to wait for the tape HDV's to copy to your computer in real time??!!!

If I record a 60min HDV and I go to copy to my computer I have to wait 60min?!
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I have seen this comment twice now...do you really have to wait for the tape HDV's to copy to your computer in real time??!!!

If I record a 60min HDV and I go to copy to my computer I have to wait 60min?!

Yes, the tape is played back in realtime and is output via firewire to your computer.
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I have seen this comment twice now...

That's becuase it was written by the same person on two threads! lol

In all seriousness, DVD-based camcorders offer a certain amount of convenience over their HDV-based coutnerparts. My gripe about the UX7 is 1) I don't think the picture quality is on par with other camcorders I've seen and 2) the AVCHD support issue.
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sure, we tape-heads are jealous for AVC lower-than-HDV picture quality. We're also jealous because HDV can't stop us from editing the footage, whereas with AVC it's automatically refrain us from wasting our time editing since there is no NLE support anyway.

Ulead has limited edit support for Avchd.

Pinnacle studio 11 is coming out on May 25 with FULL avchd edit support. (in fact, they are taking preorders now)
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nice to know! Maybe in two years time AVCHD will be at the level of HDV today. Then I will switch to AVCHD. The current state of AVCHD at this moment is no better than HDV 2 years ago.

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nice to know! Maybe in two years time AVCHD will be at the level of HDV today. Then I will switch to AVCHD. The current state of AVCHD at this moment is no better than HDV 2 years ago.

Maybe it will... but then maybe it will be all but gone... the piont is that editors ARE beginning to emerge.
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I personally don't think the AVCHD format will go anywhere. Better CPU and encoding system will make this format better in the future. The only thing that may change is the delivery media. AVCHD DVD may change into AVCHD BD in the future.

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I personally don't think the AVCHD format will go anywhere. Better CPU and encoding system will make this format better in the future. The only thing that may change is the delivery media. AVCHD DVD may change into AVCHD BD in the future.

At present, I agree. I'm not yet sold on AVCHD yet either. BUT, for the moment it IS moving forward. More cams are jumping on the AVCHD bandwagon, and the NLE producers and software writers are joining in as well. The present bit rate is not written in stone. They CAN increase it, and if they do, it will begin to give mpeg2 a REAL run for it's money.

The future will tell.
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At present, I agree. I'm not yet sold on AVCHD yet either. BUT, for the moment it IS moving forward. More cams are jumping on the AVCHD bandwagon, and the NLE producers and software writers are joining in as well. The present bit rate is not written in stone. They CAN increase it, and if they do, it will begin to give mpeg2 a REAL run for it's money.

The future will tell.


my bad, that's what I meant in "not going anywhere". I meant that AVCHD will not disappear, it'll stay and it'll be stronger due to more powerful CPU and better encoding processes in the future.

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Actually, the last I heard. panasonic was looking to go pro with avchd. They're looking at running avchd at 100mbps 4:2:2 colorspace for pro uses. Don't know how far they've gotten with this, but if they make it happen, it will clearly put mpeg2 to shame.

One of the bigger problems with AVCHD is that it's almost all GOP based. Panasonic has suggested in sort of unspoken words that they've figured a way around this.
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One of the bigger problems with AVCHD is that it's almost all GOP based. Panasonic has suggested in sort of unspoken words that they've figured a way around this.


What does GOP mean?

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sure, we tape-heads are jealous for AVC lower-than-HDV picture quality. We're also jealous because HDV can't stop us from editing the footage, whereas with AVC it's automatically refrain us from wasting our time editing since there is no NLE support anyway.

LOL.

Even with NLE support, why sacrifice quality?

I recall a post on the forum ( I believe it was HTPC forum), proclaiming "Video does not need editing".

Well my videos DO need editing.

Eventually Sony Vegas will support AVCHD.

But why bother?

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What does GOP mean?


Good Old Party...no, the wrong answer

Group Of Pictures, part of the MPEGx standard.

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