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Everybody is talking about HV20, no one even mentions HC7.

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The HC7 is not bad... in fact it's good. The HV-20 really shines in the image quality department; but the Sony also has a great lens and similar features, and might be better in low light. Some people don't like the touchscreen (I'm one of them), but that's minor.

I owned a Sony HVR-A1U which is a semi-pro camera that uses Sony's CMOS chip, and found it has great color and sharpness but mediocre low-light capability. If the HC7's produces similar video, it is a quite good camera indeed. I don't know enough to have a stronger opinion, though. I bought the HV-20.

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I think the picture quality is a bit better in the Hv20 especially in low light, but the HC7 is nothing to sneeze at either. It's a top quality cam as well. They do slightly different things though. Canon tends to shoot an accurate account of what's in front of it while Sony tends to give a more visual look if you will. Sony has polled the populations on what they think is good and the general consensus is increased color saturation, which in itself leads to a bit more noise. Just turn up the color dial on your tv and you'll see first hand that an increase in color gain will lead to increased noise. Actually that's a bit of a play on words because the noise is already there, just more so amplified because of the gain increase.

So again, what it all comes down to in the end is what exactly you are looking for as an end result.

I suspect the purist will be drawn to the canon because of it's accuracy, while the novice will be more drawn to the HC7 because of it's increased dramatics and style.
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Just so very true, bigbarney. Anyone who shoots Canon's pro cameras will marvel at how the HV-20 can match a $5000 DSLR's color rendition. It is a much better idea to add contrast and saturation in post, if you edit your own video. Once you dial up saturation, the damage is done.

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I suspect the purist will be drawn to the canon because of it's accuracy, while the novice will be more drawn to the HC7 because of it's increased dramatics and style.


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Thank you gentlemen.

I have decided to go with HC7.

I like dramatics.

I've been coping with digital video since the days of Adobe Premiere 1.0 (non-Pro).

i guess I am still a novice.

Besides I have SPK-HCB since days of my HC3 which is long gone. I know I'll be able to fit HC7 in there.

It is extremely important to me.

HV20 underwater enclosures are starting around $1K. Sure one can go much deeper with them.

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Besides I have SPK-HCB since days of my HC3 which is long gone. I know I'll be able to fit HC7 in there.

It is extremely important to me.

HV20 underwater enclosures are starting around $1K. Sure one can go much deeper with them.

Thanks again.

You know that your SPK-HCB would have fitted an HV20 just fine, and it now costs only $100 or less. Check out this thread:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=91813
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You know that your SPK-HCB would have fitted an HV20 just fine, and it now costs only $100 or less. Check out this thread:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=91813


No, I did not know this.

So many forums, so little time.

It could influence my decision I guess.

Thanks for posting a link.

Overall I did not feel comfortable with HV20 when I played with it at BB.

I felt like I was missing something in design

But we'll see.

Not the end of the world, if PQ is "really" much better I'll sell HC7 and get myself HV20.

Or will it be HV30?

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Doubt PQ will be a deal breaker with the HC7 versus the HV-20, Sony's track record with consumer HDV is good, unlike JVC who are first-to-market (again) but seemingly cannot source out good CCDs.

Just for reference, Sony built the CMOS sensor for Nikon's flagship camera, the D2x. Canon developed their own CMOS sensors for their Pro DLSRs. Each company has mastered CMOS to the degree it can be used in professional DLSRs, where image quality is paramount. That's why either the HV-20 or the HC7 present good options if PQ is important.

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Doubt PQ will be a deal breaker with the HC7 versus the HV-20, Sony's track record with consumer HDV is good, unlike JVC who are first-to-market (again) but seemingly cannot source out good CCDs.

Just for reference, Sony built the CMOS sensor for Nikon's flagship camera, the D2x. Canon developed their own CMOS sensors for their Pro DLSRs. Each company has mastered CMOS to the degree it can be used in professional DLSRs, where image quality is paramount. That's why either the HV-20 or the HC7 present good options if PQ is important.

Thanks imagic that what I wanted to hear

I do realize that Canon produces more life-like PQ.

I also do realize that it might be better in the low light environments.

I owned several Canons, several Panasonics and several Sonys.

I am not a big fan of Sony as a company but I have to admit their cams always gave me better feelings than others.

Including my poor TRV30 sinked on the coast of Aruba (:

(if any of you are interested in the details, I've used Ewa-Marine "cheap" $350 enclosure which guaranteed to hold 30 feet. I knew it could hold 40. Locals assured us we would go no deeper than 40. And we went 50. and Ewa-Marina leaked. I hate Aruba ever since).

My dear wife still reminds me about that camera. It was her favorite.

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I am trying to decide between the HC7 and HV20. They both have good features that the other doesn't. Anyone use both yet and can compare?

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There isn't really anything I regret about my HC7.
The PQ is great. Low light pretty good (always flip to goofy night shot.. I like it)

Touch screen is intuitive.

The biggest issue (which isn't an issue of the camera function) is .m2t files.
It's not that tough once you find a system that works for you regarding converting and burning.
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I am trying to decide between the HC7 and HV20. They both have good features that the other doesn't. Anyone use both yet and can compare?

I've used the HC7. To me, the image quality is much better on the HV20 although features are severely lacking. Coupled with the fact that I can buy HV-20 for CAD$ 400 cheaper than the HC7, the decision is a no brainer to me.

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Anyone know if the HC7 still suffers from rolling shutter effect that affected Sony's CMOS sensors? I can't see it at all on the HV-20. My first Sony CMOS camera, the pricey HVR-A1U showed significant distortion for walking, action, aerial, etc due to the rolling shutter effect.

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I've used the HC7. To me, the image quality is much better on the HV20 although features are severely lacking. Coupled with the fact that I can buy HV-20 for CAD$ 400 cheaper than the HC7, the decision is a no brainer to me.


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I've used the HC7. To me, the image quality is much better on the HV20 although features are severely lacking. Coupled with the fact that I can buy HV-20 for CAD$ 400 cheaper than the HC7, the decision is a no brainer to me.

David, what's your display?

Prices here in the US are $1065 for HC7 and $1020 for HV20 (cheapest on Pricegrabber) so the difference is minimal.

I just can't get along with Canon.

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my display is Sony 46" CRT RPTV, 1080i, ISF calibrated annualy every January.

Thanks for the response David.

I wonder what my Samsung 67" DLP 1080p will do to my video..

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