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post #1 of 29 Old 12-15-2008, 09:28 AM - Thread Starter
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Not really sure where to start with this so I thought I would ask here for some advice.

For my business I want to set up a simple cheap security camera system, this is what I am looking at.

1) Two out door camera's. It can get down to -30F around here so that is a factor. Work good in low light night time enviroment. Don't need pan/tilt, but could. Wireless IP would be a plus, but can hard wire.

2) Monitor and record on basic PC to hard drive.

3) Motion detection to record. Prefer that software detects motion in the video feed, not some IR type detection.

4) get e-mail notification of motion at certain times of day.

5) view camera's from any PC with in network. My home PC is on a VPN so it doesn't have to be over the internet.

Any help I can get or other places to look would be great.
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I think business security and cheap don't often go together.

In any case, I like the Axis 214 with their outdoor heated dome. A network camera with PTZ and very good low light performance.

Not cheap though.

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Have a look at Super Circuits. They have just about anything you might need.

http://www.supercircuits.com/
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thanks for the link, I will take a look.

I know that cheap and business don't really go together. But you have to also look at it from the aspect of it doesn't make sence to spend $4000-5000 to save what might only be $500 a year.......
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For my business I want to set up a simple cheap security camera system, this is what I am looking at.

If you're not averse to obtaining a cheap Mac--either a mini or an older tower--there's good software called Security Spy that will do all this for you.

I've been happy with Sony and Axis IP cameras, but a less expensive option might be to get analog cameras and a network video server. Depends on how many video channels you want and at what quality.

I don't think you'll find really good day and night performance in an IP camera for cheap.

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Are there any savings on your insurance if you have beefed up security such as a camera?

The Axis with heated dome would run around $2000 as I recall.

Regards, Frederick C. Wilt
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I have been researching outdoor cameras for a while now. The one at the top of my list is the 3 megapixel Mobotix. This is a German made camera that is rated for outdoor use with lens and all. Many other solutions require buying a seperate enclosure which must be heated to keep it from fogging, etc. But Mobotix only uses 2.5 watts and doesn't need any of that. It gets its power over Ethernet so you have a nice one cable solution.

Best of all, the standard 3 megapixel one retails online for $870! For best low-light performance though, they have a dual camera unit but that is I think $1,300.

The other cool thing is that you get full camera management software for free. And it records directly to a NAS or a PC. It also supports overlays (with transparency) so you can for example, have the temp, clock or any other info (say, from a URL) superimposed on the image. It has a lot of unique features like this.

The down side is that it supports only two compression formats: M-JPEG and a format they call MxPEG. The latter is able to compress the video more but not nearly as much as say, AVC. They claim that it produces sharper stills and having dug into it, their claims may have some merit.

Anyway, I have not found better value and quality in IP outdoor cameras than this.

Here is the company web site: http://www.mobotix.com/eng_US/

And a place that sells them for pretty low prices: http://www.a1securitycameras.com/out...l-cameras.html

The only thing is that it is rated to -22F, not -30. I suspect that is close enough though.

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I'll agree with amirm here, we use the mobotix cameras at work for commercial CCTV installations. They are really quite good and offer good value for money.
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I have to concurr also. On my cellular apps mobotix tend to have a very crisp picture. I was pleasantly surprised to see just how clear. They have some dual lense fish eye type of cameras along with panaramic ones also. They have definitely stood out against so of the competitors however slightly more expensive.

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If you don't clear how to set a cctv seystem. Suggest you buy a kits. you can search professional security webiste. I had ever bought a camema from ZMODO.I hope it can help you.
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Dont go cheap or you might as well save your money. My friend has a dozen cheap cameras installed all around his bar and the one time he gets robbed.. none of the video is good enough to catch the crooks face or his license plate.. even though he pulled right in front of the camera and backed out slowly enough that a good camera would have got him.

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Stamp gives very good advice. My builder was telling me about a large car dealership he recently finished. A company installed bunch of cameras there. Apparently an ex-employee had come over and vandalized a ton of cars. They were so happy to have a video of it. But when they looked at the actual images, none was usable to recognize anyone.

Why? People don't come during full daylight hours and stand right in front of the camera. Instead, they are there at night, when light is low. The cheap camera with a wide angle lens will produce totally unusable images in that situation. Don't be fooled by their low light settings. They use longer shutter which blurs everything. Or have useless IR LEDs which have no range, hotspot, etc.

If you want to use the video to count as real evidence, you need to either use a professional and spend good money or spend quite a bit of time at CCTV forum to learn what camera should be used in what application. It is not as simple as sticking a camera some place.

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Yeah, buying those fake cameras is probably better than trying to go cheap on the system. Why spend $300-1000 for a system that doesn't produce a usable image 80% of the time it is needed. The cameras themselves may prevent some problems because people generally act better when they think they are being recorded.

But good quality camera that will work outside in both day and night settings are pretty expensive.

One word of advice - don't use pan,tilt, zoom (PTZ) cameras unless you are going to have someone watching the cameras and controlling them 24/7. They are more expensive, and unless monitored, tend to miss a lot of the "action" because they are pointed in a different spot. Using fixed cameras (even if it takes more cameras) is generally better and may actually cost less because the cameras are less expensive.

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I did buy one of those Lorex Sam Club CCTV system. It was garbage. THe bad thing is that all the cables they use are thier own. It it is not your standard CCTV Coax Cable. So when I ripped it out I had to rip the cable out too. What a nightmare!
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I beg to differ, Lorex has some great products and I know this because I have many myself. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. For starters their LW2702 is a great wireless system that comes with 2 indoor/outdoor high resolution cameras with remote access capabilities. It has a 6 pin din connection which is exclusive to Lorex but the company also sells many different products that run off a BNC standard connection which is not Lorex exclusive. You can check out their products for yourself on the web just look for Lorex Technology in your google search engine.
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The big problem with Lorex is their crapulent forum spam.
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I second that, these systems perform very well for the price.
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Check out Monoprice. I just installed one of their 4 channel DVR systems & am blown away by the quality & features. You definitely need to be a bit of a hobbyist to get it configured and running - but it's an amazing product once you do.

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A1 Security Cameras has years of experience in video surveillance systems and security camera to a wide range of clients ranging from security cameras Military.A1 provides only the highest level of CCTV video surveillance equipment and product quality we wear can be found in electronics stores and many online sites.
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Check out Monoprice. I just installed one of their 4 channel DVR systems & am blown away by the quality & features. You definitely need to be a bit of a hobbyist to get it configured and running - but it's an amazing product once you do.

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There are lots of company, which deals in cameras installation security cameras. They deal with all brands of cameras and help you. I think they can suggest you, what exactly your requirement is.
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Not really sure where to start with this so I thought I would ask here for some advice.

For my business I want to set up a simple cheap security camera system, this is what I am looking at.

1) Two out door camera's. It can get down to -30F around here so that is a factor. Work good in low light night time enviroment. Don't need pan/tilt, but could. Wireless IP would be a plus, but can hard wire.

2) Monitor and record on basic PC to hard drive.

3) Motion detection to record. Prefer that software detects motion in the video feed, not some IR type detection.

4) get e-mail notification of motion at certain times of day.

5) view camera's from any PC with in network. My home PC is on a VPN so it doesn't have to be over the internet.

Any help I can get or other places to look would be great.

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Monitoring your own wireless cameras is not for everyone, but if you choose to do it, the Foscam FI8918W offers the best combination of features for the job. from my experience
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if you are looking for a cheap camera system then I would recommend you to go for foscam. i am not telling that they can give you high quality but they are good for your purpose with all the features you have asked for.
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You will find lots of more modern and even more advanced electronic security systems employed for surveillance and monitoring however only WDR cameras stick out to be the best as well as most practical means to fix poorly lighted or perhaps washed out videos and images.
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I'm not sure this is exactly what you are looking for, but it is cheap, and works really well. It's Android phone based.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.burtek.cloudcamera&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsIm5ldC5idXJ0ZWsuY2xvdWRjYW1lcmEiXQ..
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Go for good security system .
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