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Anyone Familiar with the RTI System and its Reliability? and How does it compare to control 4
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I have used RTI for years and it is bullet proof...not one complaint about but plus it is very easy toprogram...stromnh recommendation here!

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RTI is very good. Programming environment is easy to learn and the products are solid performers and visually appealing IMO.

I have no first hand knowledge of Control4 but based on their number of dealers i would assume it is just as reliable as RTI.

So assuming they are both completely reliable if installed properly.. there are some major differences. Both are control systems but RTI leans more towards universal remote and C4 leans towards home automation. RTI has recently made their 2way products available and Control4 has had this capability for some time.

If your needs are basic control of 'dumb' one way devices like blu-ray players and TV's i would say go with RTI. If you want lighting control and feedback from sources like the ipod i would say go with Control4.
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if the new crestron stuff proves to be reliable, i think that would be an excellent way to go about the system as well. cost should be roughly the same, and hopefully you can program it yourself. some of the nicer rti stuff needs to be programmed from a dealer, so that may drive the cost up a bit.

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RTI is all dealer only and as far as i know C4 software is also. I think C4 software has a price tag on it but dont quote me. The new crestron stuff will most likely be dealer only also. I know what the press says/looks like but i have already found enough BS in the marketing to know not to trust any of it.

Dont let the software make your decision for you. You can learn to program any of them and you can find someone to give you software with the installation.
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The best way is to hire a local professional and make friends with him, whether or not he shows you how the software works I guess would depend on how good a friend you end up being.

There are a lot of smart people out there, I know a few who have figured this stuff out on their own, but despite how easy it may sound, there is still quite a learning curve for any of these products, they are definitely not just plug and play. From a custom installer’s perspective, I have to plan out each job accordingly before I start, this includes what templates I can copy from other previous projects I have already built, and these templates have taken hundreds of hours to build over the years. You as an end useer, who has never done this before do not have the luxury of having pre worked out bugs and a bag of tricks up your sleeve, so if you don’t have an installer on your side that you can at least call and say something like hey do I need a null modem for this device, you are going to get very discouraged right out of the gate if you decide to do this yourself.
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RTI is a great product, I wish they had more two-way drivers for the XP-8 and ZRP-6 processors.
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Like any professional system, it's only as good as it works, and it only works as good as it's installed and programmed.
Regardless who you buy the components from, you're in for a good investment, and it only makes sense to have it programmed correctly. If you program this stuff yourself without having years of experience, you mine as well just have gotten a Harmony Remote for under half the cost, because it will probably work just as good and better.
I'm not trying to be discouraging from attempting the programming yourself (or steer you to Harmony), most anyone can get one of these RTI remotes programmed to work. However, it's simply a matter of making it work simply. The remote has a brain and it needs a good teacher.
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Like any professional system, it's only as good as it works, and it only works as good as it's installed and programmed.
Regardless who you buy the components from, you're in for a good investment, and it only makes sense to have it programmed correctly. If you program this stuff yourself without having years of experience, you mine as well just have gotten a Harmony Remote for under half the cost, because it will probably work just as good and better.
I'm not trying to be discouraging from attempting the programming yourself (or steer you to Harmony), most anyone can get one of these RTI remotes programmed to work. However, it's simply a matter of making it work simply. The remote has a brain and it needs a good teacher.

Agreed but -- as someone who programmed my RTI T3 and T4 by myself -- I woudl add that the benefit of doing it yourself is that you end up with a paradigm that works the way you work...

The program is very simple (i.e. drag and drop) but detailed work...provided you are a detail oriented, patient and thinking individual (i.e. setup your macros separately, your common buttons on the same position on all pages) this is easy, enjoyable and time consuming (but not overlky so)...

The other thing to note is that it may be a good idea to purchase an IR learner which I did as the database did not have all the codes that I needed (not to mention the trial and error)...

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Like any professional system, it's only as good as it works, and it only works as good as it's installed and programmed.
Regardless who you buy the components from, you're in for a good investment, and it only makes sense to have it programmed correctly. If you program this stuff yourself without having years of experience, you mine as well just have gotten a Harmony Remote for under half the cost, because it will probably work just as good and better.
I'm not trying to be discouraging from attempting the programming yourself (or steer you to Harmony), most anyone can get one of these RTI remotes programmed to work. However, it's simply a matter of making it work simply. The remote has a brain and it needs a good teacher.

I agree with a lot of what you have to say, except that a harmony will never be an RTI.

If you have a TV a receiver, bluray along with some sat / cable box you can do ok with a harmony, beyond that forget it.

RTI can do almost anything that Crestron can in the control department, and at a much lower price point. RTI is designed to be extremely end user friendly. However, even though a lot of you could master the basics of the software pretty easily, it's the deeper functions that will leave you seriously scratching your head.

I have been installing RTI longer than 99 percent of the installers out there and I am still learning things about the software, and that is it is constantly being updated because of suggestions by installers in the field. This is one of the coolest things about RTI, in that it is a product that was essentially developed by installers. This is why it is easy to use and has ergonomics & features that if you truly understood them would make you drool to have it in your home, because frankly, besides the fact that it is an expandable system, we can make it to be or do or mimic anything you want.

If you want the first screen to be a picture of your dog and his nose is a button and his eyes are a button and he blinks when you press it we can do that. We have full two way communication now on touch panels and some of the remotes.

We can control anything that can be controlled via IR, Serial 232, Rs485, or IP, or contact closure. We can trigger events to happen based upon a contact closure, or a voltage change, or an optical signal, or what time of day it is, or motion.

Besides the audio video aspects we can control
Lighting
Blinds and drapes
Spas and pools
Sprinklers
Security and related
Garage doors & gates
HVAC
And pretty much everything else you can think of

So yes you could probably program some basic stuff and be happy that you have learned how to put a channel macro on the ESPN2 HD icon, but beyond that you would be lost and frustrated without some kind of training.

It is also true that control system programmers are like artists, there are always shades of grey when dealing with art, some of it just plain sucks. So it is important to truly check out the company you hire, ask them to show you some of their work before you buy.

You also want someone who will build the system around your family's needs rather than some ideology. You are the ones who have to live with this stuff so it should be designed specifically for you in mind not the installer. RTI like Crestron is great in this area of flexibility, you are not stuck with any assembly line model, and all conceivable options are fair game.

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>destropaul</strong> <a href="/forum/post/17963659"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Like any professional system, it's only as good as it works, and it only works as good as it's installed and programmed.<br>
Regardless who you buy the components from, you're in for a good investment, and it only makes sense to have it programmed correctly. If you program this stuff yourself without having years of experience, you mine as well just have gotten a Harmony Remote for under half the cost, because it will probably work just as good and better.<br>
I'm not trying to be discouraging from attempting the programming yourself (or steer you to Harmony), most anyone can get one of these RTI remotes programmed to work. However, it's simply a matter of making it work simply. The remote has a brain and it needs a good teacher.</div>
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I agree with a lot of what you have to say, except that a harmony will never be an RTI.<br><br>
If you have a TV a receiver, bluray along with some sat / cable box you can do ok with a harmony, beyond that forget it.<br><br>
RTI can do almost anything that Crestron can in the control department, and at a much lower price point. RTI is designed to be extremely end user friendly. However, even though a lot of you could master the basics of the software pretty easily, it's the deeper functions that will leave you seriously scratching your head.<br><br>
I have been installing RTI longer than 99 percent of the installers out there and I am still learning things about the software, and that is it is constantly being updated because of suggestions by installers in the field. This is one of the coolest things about RTI, in that it is a product that was essentially developed by installers. This is why it is easy to use and has ergonomics &amp; features that if you truly understood them would make you drool to have it in your home, because frankly, besides the fact that it is an expandable system, we can make it to be or do or mimic anything you want.<br><br>
If you want the first screen to be a picture of your dog and his nose is a button and his eyes are a button and he blinks when you press it we can do that. We have full two way communication now on touch panels and some of the remotes.<br><br>
We can control anything that can be controlled via IR, Serial 232, Rs485, or IP, or contact closure. We can trigger events to happen based upon a contact closure, or a voltage change, or an optical signal, or what time of day it is, or motion.<br><br>
Besides the audio video aspects we can control<br>
Lighting<br>
Blinds and drapes<br>
Spas and pools<br>
Sprinklers<br>
Security and related<br>
Garage doors &amp; gates<br>
HVAC<br>
And pretty much everything else you can think of<br><br>
So yes you could probably program some basic stuff and be happy that you have learned how to put a channel macro on the ESPN2 HD icon, but beyond that you would be lost and frustrated without some kind of training.<br><br>
It is also true that control system programmers are like artists, there are always shades of grey when dealing with art, some of it just plain sucks. So it is important to truly check out the company you hire, ask them to show you some of their work before you buy.<br><br>
You also want someone who will build the system around your family's needs rather than some ideology. You are the ones who have to live with this stuff so it should be designed specifically for you in mind not the installer. RTI like Crestron is great in this area of flexibility, you are not stuck with any assembly line model, and all conceivable options are fair game.<br><br>
David Gray<br>
Sound and Theater
When selecting a professionally programmed control system company, it is always more productive to research each company individually to see if the features, installation cost, maintenance, or change costs, applications, interfaces, product line, support, and warranty meet your needs. Here is the reality, every control system company is unique in some ways, and these differences can serve as advantages or disadvantages to a prospective client.

In my opinion, it is a better approach to research each control system, and compare the considerations I mentioned above. Asking people what is better or worse is not going to give you real information. You are going to have people with biased opinions because they own, sell or know someone who has a particular system. So research each system individually. This means asking "What are some of the unique features of control system XYZ?". What are the {insert point above} of XYZ?". "Can XYZ do this, or that?".

Does that mean you can't compare one to another? Certainly. And don't be afraid to ask "How does XYZ do {this} vs. control system ABC?". But get some of the serious facts before you poll the general AV audience because you are going to get a lot of conflicting opinions.

Now, it is as it always has been, my policy to never bad-mouth, or negatively comment on control companies as I feel they are all very good as long as they have been in business for awhile. But to get back to topic, if anyone is interested in understanding what the RTI product line offers whether you are dealer or potential customer, I would be happy to discuss.

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>destropaul</strong> <a href="/forum/post/17963659"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Like any professional system, it's only as good as it works, and it only works as good as it's installed and programmed.<br>
Regardless who you buy the components from, you're in for a good investment, and it only makes sense to have it programmed correctly. If you program this stuff yourself without having years of experience, you mine as well just have gotten a Harmony Remote for under half the cost, because it will probably work just as good and better.<br>
I'm not trying to be discouraging from attempting the programming yourself (or steer you to Harmony), most anyone can get one of these RTI remotes programmed to work. However, it's simply a matter of making it work simply. The remote has a brain and it needs a good teacher.</div>
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I agree with a lot of what you have to say, except that a harmony will never be an RTI.<br><br>
If you have a TV a receiver, bluray along with some sat / cable box you can do ok with a harmony, beyond that forget it.<br><br>
RTI can do almost anything that Crestron can in the control department, and at a much lower price point. RTI is designed to be extremely end user friendly. However, even though a lot of you could master the basics of the software pretty easily, it's the deeper functions that will leave you seriously scratching your head.<br><br>
I have been installing RTI longer than 99 percent of the installers out there and I am still learning things about the software, and that is it is constantly being updated because of suggestions by installers in the field. This is one of the coolest things about RTI, in that it is a product that was essentially developed by installers. This is why it is easy to use and has ergonomics &amp; features that if you truly understood them would make you drool to have it in your home, because frankly, besides the fact that it is an expandable system, we can make it to be or do or mimic anything you want.<br><br>
If you want the first screen to be a picture of your dog and his nose is a button and his eyes are a button and he blinks when you press it we can do that. We have full two way communication now on touch panels and some of the remotes.<br><br>
We can control anything that can be controlled via IR, Serial 232, Rs485, or IP, or contact closure. We can trigger events to happen based upon a contact closure, or a voltage change, or an optical signal, or what time of day it is, or motion.<br><br>
Besides the audio video aspects we can control<br>
Lighting<br>
Blinds and drapes<br>
Spas and pools<br>
Sprinklers<br>
Security and related<br>
Garage doors &amp; gates<br>
HVAC<br>
And pretty much everything else you can think of<br><br>
So yes you could probably program some basic stuff and be happy that you have learned how to put a channel macro on the ESPN2 HD icon, but beyond that you would be lost and frustrated without some kind of training.<br><br>
It is also true that control system programmers are like artists, there are always shades of grey when dealing with art, some of it just plain sucks. So it is important to truly check out the company you hire, ask them to show you some of their work before you buy.<br><br>
You also want someone who will build the system around your family's needs rather than some ideology. You are the ones who have to live with this stuff so it should be designed specifically for you in mind not the installer. RTI like Crestron is great in this area of flexibility, you are not stuck with any assembly line model, and all conceivable options are fair game.<br><br>
David Gray<br>
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When selecting a professionally programmed control system company, it is always more productive to research each company individually to see if the features, installation cost, maintenance, or change costs, applications, interfaces, product line, support, and warranty meet your needs. Here is the reality, every control system company is unique in some ways, and these differences can serve as advantages or disadvantages to a prospective client.

In my opinion, it is a better approach to research each control system, and compare the considerations I mentioned above. Asking people what is better or worse is not going to give you real information. You are going to have people with biased opinions because they own, sell or know someone who has a particular system. So research each system individually. This means asking "What are some of the unique features of control system XYZ?". What are the {insert point above} of XYZ?". "Can XYZ do this, or that?".

Does that mean you can't compare one to another? Certainly. And don't be afraid to ask "How does XYZ do {this} vs. control system ABC?". But get some of the serious facts before you poll the general AV audience because you are going to get a lot of conflicting opinions.

Now, it is as it always has been, my policy to never bad-mouth, or negatively comment on control companies as I feel they are all very good as long as they have been in business for awhile. But to get back to topic, if anyone is interested in understanding what the RTI product line offers whether you are dealer or potential customer, I would be happy to discuss.

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