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post #1351 of 1364 Old 02-20-2015, 07:33 AM
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It's nice to hit a button on a Pico / tabletop keypad / iPhone Widget and turn the fan on, without getting up. It's nice to hit one button on a keypad / iPhone Widget and turn everything off in the room. It also looks nice on the wall, as Swancoat mentioned. I guess I am just too lazy... :-)
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I have my "All Off" scenes set to include turning off the fans. I likewise have bedside keypads in the master bedroom configured to toggle them on/off (to one of the speeds).

I do not yet have my family room fan installed but can definitely see where being able to control it from multiple locations (large open space adjacent to kitchen) will come in handy.

I'd use them for bathroom fans but there's no 'simple' way to have a timer associated with them, like on the non-RA Lutron countdown fan timers. THOSE are great for bathrooms. They use the from side switch (dimmer adjustment on RA2 lights) to adjust the timer duration. I'd LOVE to have that kind of functionality with RA integration.

I plan on moving one of the fan controllers to a different spot as the wall only has a two gang box (and no room for more). I'll use the keypad for the fan speed & light, along with another dimmer for the ceiling recessed cans. Right now the fan light isn't switched (just the chain). I could move that dimmer somewhere else but I feel it'd be more useful to have a hybrid dimmer/keypad there instead (as there's no hybrid/fan device). I suspect they'd sell a lot of them if they made a fan/light combo unit.
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Thank you to those who replied about the ceiling fans. I will likely incorporate the frequently used ceiling fans into the RadioRa2 retrofit.

What about walk-in closets? I like the idea of occupancy sensors in walk-in closets, and automating closet lighting with RadioRa2 seems easy enough. However, I can achieve the objective for a lot lower cost using products from Lutron's Maestro line.

What is lost by relegating walk-in closet lighting to a non-RadioRa2 solution? Are there worthwhile benefits to having walk-in closet lighting on the whole house system?
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What is lost by relegating walk-in closet lighting to a non-RadioRa2 solution? Are there worthwhile benefits to having walk-in closet lighting on the whole house system?
I don't think it's worth it. I use the Maestro occupancy sensor/switches for bathrooms, closet, laundry room, etc.
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Thank you to those who replied about the ceiling fans. I will likely incorporate the frequently used ceiling fans into the RadioRa2 retrofit.

What about walk-in closets? I like the idea of occupancy sensors in walk-in closets, and automating closet lighting with RadioRa2 seems easy enough. However, I can achieve the objective for a lot lower cost using products from Lutron's Maestro line.

What is lost by relegating walk-in closet lighting to a non-RadioRa2 solution? Are there worthwhile benefits to having walk-in closet lighting on the whole house system?
Given the overall cost, the addition of a dimmer and a motion sensor is pretty trivial. I find it helpful to have the ability to set a scheduled event to turn it and other lights off on a regular basis. With the motion sensor that's not 'necessary' since it can be programmed to turn it off on it's own. That and separating the sensor from the wall switch allows for being able to fine tune exactly where the motion will trigger it. In our master closet that would not have been convenient as there are two doors into it and the line of sight to both wall switch positions are blocked by cabinetry. A sensor on the ceiling is the only place that works.
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The only main RR2 advantage with RR2 in closets I is the ability to integrate the lights with an alarm system. You might want your closet lights to turn on if there's a burglar or the low lights if there's a fire. I don't currently have my system integrated to a panel.

I suppose I could see an "endgame" use as well of turning the lights on for a house showing with one button, but that's probably of trivial value.
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Is it worth the expense to incorporate the ceiling fans into the RadioRa system? Do users find that they need remote control of their ceiling fans?

Or is it reasonable to save a little money and not incorporate the ceiling fans into the RadioRa2 system?
You have to look at how you use your fans now. If you use your fans a lot but rarely change speed, just use the RR2 Switch (you can change speed on the unit/chain directly). If you use them often and frequently change speed, definitely recommend the Speed control. I have the RR2 speed controls but mostly leave them on the same speed. I have a "catch-all" timeclock setting which shuts everything down at 2am, for us this works perfect because by then the fan is usually unnecessary. You may want something like that and set multiple times to gradually reduce speed, or exclude the fan. (~~~be sure the Fan Speed control is compatible with your fan, it works with most common fans but some of them now have proprietary controls and/or DC motors that may not be compatible~~~)

Sometimes my customers get bit by the bug and want to control everything, but the nice thing with RR2 is you can always add it later...

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I don't think it's worth it. I use the Maestro occupancy sensor/switches for bathrooms, closet, laundry room, etc.
While I agree with you that maestro will work in closets, I think it makes more sense to upgrade to RR2 in the master bathroom - you can use it to setup morning/evening scenes, mood lighting, etc.
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While I agree with you that maestro will work in closets, I think it makes more sense to upgrade to RR2 in the master bathroom - you can use it to setup morning/evening scenes, mood lighting, etc.
Was thinking more like powder rooms as my master bath has RR2 also...sorry for the confusion. Also, my kids/guest bathroom has a night light to go along with RR2 lighting for path assistance.
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Was thinking more like powder rooms as my master bath has RR2 also...sorry for the confusion. Also, my kids/guest bathroom has a night light to go along with RR2 lighting for path assistance.
As I mentioned, the RA2 sensors can control different sets of lights for the occupancy & vacancy setting. I use it specifically in the powder room to control turning on the vanity light, but then also going back and turning off BOTH the vanity light AND the ceiling recessed lights. In another bath I also use it to turn the exhaust fan off, which is on a RA2 switch (regular switch, not a fan control as it's just a bath fan/light combo). You're not going to get this flexibility with sensors built into the switches (that and you don't get stuck with the switch line of sight).

For nightlights I've had tremendously good success with some "Mr. Beams MB532" battery operated ones. They take 3 C-cell batteries and last quite a long time (almost two years now). I used 3M command strip tapes for them to find the ideal placement.
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While I agree with you that maestro will work in closets, I think it makes more sense to upgrade to RR2 in the master bathroom - you can use it to setup morning/evening scenes, mood lighting, etc.
I've yet to 'get into' scenes. I grasp the concept, but we really don't use the spaces in ways that have lent themselves to dedicated scenes on buttons. The dilemma is trying to gauge the right balance between direct control of various devices vs dedicating buttons to specific light levels and combinations. For a space like a theater, sure, it makes a lot of sense to have a button for a specific 'movie' mode, especially if it ties into triggering a retractable screen or other features. But for day-to-day, scenes don't make a lot of sense to me. At least not tied specifically to tiny little buttons on a wall switch. With a touchscreen and good graphics, yeah.

I am, however, interested in being able to experiment with using them as scenes on a tablet remote. Haven't fiddled much with it yet but iRule is my likely candidate for some of this.
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Some of my nightlights predate RR2 as I had small kids and haven't felt the need to change. Just as an FYI, I have one of these full nightlights on the stairs and a half nightlight in the kids/guest bathroom. They continue to work well but RR2 would be nice too when the kids leave lights on in the bathroom.

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Some of my nightlights predate RR2 as I had small kids and haven't felt the need to change. Just as an FYI, I have one of these full nightlights on the stairs and a half nightlight in the kids/guest bathroom. They continue to work well but RR2 would be nice too when the kids leave lights on in the bathroom.

http://www.legrand.us/electrical-out...x#.VPCZSC4-1Sk
The Legrand lights are good, and they have a lot of options, the LED tends to be on the Blue side though. Leviton also makes some and we prefer them and they do have a warmer light.
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/Secti...minisite=10251

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To be clear, I'm cross-posting this on Lutron's forums, but I thought I'd get different information here:

How different are RRD-6NA vs 6CL vs 10ND vs HxD-6ND? I know the HxD6ND obviously is a HomeWorks product, but I use it for comparison.

As an example, the link below says that the RRD-10ND, RRD-6CL, HxD-6ND LQRJ-WPM-6P should work, but no 6NA is listed. Is this deliberate, and why would a 6NA not work when a 6CL would? Would Lutron simply not have tested this unit or would they have tested it and found it to fail?

I have six of these BR30 that work well with a 6NA I've heard some say that the performance of the 6NA with dimming is just a bit better than for the 6CL, while I've heard others say the 10ND would be better.

6NA aside, when all the items show up in the LED tool, would someone always go for the lowest cost item that's on the list (provided you use the appropriate loading).

I would like to know the fundamentals of what's going on here. Thanks for any thoughts!

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