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spiwrx confirmed that the RA2 KPs and dimmers fit into the Lutron Glass Faceplates, LFGR-1, LFGR-2, and LFGR-3. He found this image:

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Forgive me if this is obvious, I'm brand new to all of this. The keypad in the image has flat buttons which is different from the typical RRA2 keypads I've seen. Is this a new style? Is it the new keypad you're referring to?

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Forgive me if this is obvious, I'm brand new to all of this. The keypad in the image has flat buttons which is different from the typical RRA2 keypads I've seen. Is this a new style? Is it the new keypad you're referring to?



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That's a 4 button pico in the picture.
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That's a 4 button pico in the picture.
Thanks. I should have known since I have one of those 4 button connected bulb remotes which is fairly similar in styling.

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Forgive me if this is obvious, I'm brand new to all of this. The keypad in the image has flat buttons which is different from the typical RRA2 keypads I've seen. Is this a new style? Is it the new keypad you're referring to?

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That style is from the more exclusive HomeWorks QS line of lighting control, which include several designs. RadioRA 2 keypads only come in the Designer seeTouch with insert style, and the newly released Grafik T.

HomeWorks QS keypad brochure: http://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocum...een%20view.pdf

Current RadioRA 2 brochure (10/2015): http://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocum...y/367-1663.pdf

Lutron Glass Faceplates wallplates are only made for select QS KPs and dimmers (but one of them has the same Decora opening for RA2 - Designer seeTouch with insert).

I strongly considered installing HomeWorks originally, but I wanted to DIY, and the wife didn't want to spend the money, 2 good reasons. That looks like a Palladiom KP above, with the glass wallplate.

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That style is from the more exclusive HomeWorks QS line of lighting control, which include several designs. RadioRA 2 keypads only come in the Designer seeTouch with insert style, and the newly released Grafik T.

HomeWorks QS keypad brochure: http://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocum...een%20view.pdf

Current RadioRA 2 brochure (10/2015): http://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocum...y/367-1663.pdf

Lutron Glass Faceplates wallplates are only made for select QS KPs and dimmers (but one of them has the same Decora opening for RA2 - Designer seeTouch with insert).

I strongly considered installing HomeWorks originally, but I wanted to DIY, and the wife didn't want to spend the money, 2 good reasons. That looks like a Palladiom KP above, with the glass wallplate.
Thanks. I take it the lack of Palladiom keypads for RR2 is purely marketing and not technical. It's a shame. Exactly how much more does Homeworks cost over Radio RA2, do you happen to know?

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I think it's at least 2x the cost, but hard to compare apples to apples since it has a different model - more centralized dimming with panels and low voltage to keypads in rooms...

Biggest issue is that it is 100% NOT DIY, so you have to pay installer markup/list price...
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My wild guess for QS, compared to RA2, could be way off the mark. I suggest you ask a local QS dealer for a quote for each.

I spoke with a colleague today about his new Caseta install. He was unhappy with it because one of his dimmers wasn't behaving correctly. He actually said he regretted installing it, because of this. I explained that there is a good chance it"s an RF issue (too far from the hub?), or maybe just a bad dimmer. He bought all the hardware and had a random electrician install it. So, he's unhappy because of an issue that would be easily solved with a dealer install. He wants it to 'just work' when, for a little extra effort, it would be perfect. Pro would have said that dimmer is too far, or would just try a different dimmer. There is a lot to be said for pro installs, by someone familiar with the tech.

I've been installing RA2 piecemeal in my house over the last 6 years, and still learn a lot every time I add hardware. If you really dig into the documentation, there are subtle details that you'll find that can make a difference, details that a pro already knows well.

If one is going to DIY RA2, read as much as you can, learn the details that a pro is already familiar with. And, find a good distributor that offers incredible support (thanks again, spiwrx!).

Keep in mind there are lots of local RA2 dealers around. Find a good one. The one who also installs HomeWorks QS is probably better than the one who doesn't. He'll cost more, but may be worth it to you. You might get a deal by using one who doesn't install HW QS.
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My wild guess for QS, compared to RA2, could be way off the mark. I suggest you ask a local QS dealer for a quote for each.

I spoke with a colleague today about his new Caseta install. He was unhappy with it because one of his dimmers wasn't behaving correctly. He actually said he regretted installing it, because of this. I explained that there is a good chance it"s an RF issue (too far from the hub?), or maybe just a bad dimmer. He bought all the hardware and had a random electrician install it. So, he's unhappy because of an issue that would be easily solved with a dealer install. He wants it to 'just work' when, for a little extra effort, it would be perfect. Pro would have said that dimmer is too far, or would just try a different dimmer. There is a lot to be said for pro installs, by someone familiar with the tech.

I've been installing RA2 piecemeal in my house over the last 6 years, and still learn a lot every time I add hardware. If you really dig into the documentation, there are subtle details that you'll find that can make a difference, details that a pro already knows well.

If one is going to DIY RA2, read as much as you can, learn the details that a pro is already familiar with. And, find a good distributor that offers incredible support (thanks again, spiwrx!).

Keep in mind there are lots of local RA2 dealers around. Find a good one. The one who also installs HomeWorks QS is probably better than the one who doesn't. He'll cost more, but may be worth it to you. You might get a deal by using one who doesn't install HW QS.
I was also bummed to find the palladium was HW, maybe if enough of us complain...

HW vs. RA2 in terms of pricing is hard to say because piece by piece it can be close, but the initial processor and ancillary equipment is huge. The real downside is lack of user programming. Double is a fair guess but you realistically looking at near 10k to do a small home, plus programming/installation by a certified installer.

As far as the Caseta problem, I would try relocating the "Bridge" (Repeater) if possible, if it is indeed a range problem. If you care to share the details(load type, total, distances, etc) I may have other suggestions. Remember this was meant for a small apartment, studio, and single room applications. It was never intended for a full single family home. That being said I just did a tri-level condo for my niece with the stuff and it worked flawlessly and I was probably at 30ft from furthest devices easy. It's very limited as well. The App. is pretty basic also. No keypads, but you can create some scenes in the App. But for the basics of automation it's there and all she really needed. The second reason is the stuff isn't selling and I need to get rid of it...

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9.3 is out for those of you unaware.

Hybrid CL should be releasing any day.

Connect Bridge looks like it's pushed to the end of Q1.

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spiwrx confirmed that the RA2 KPs and dimmers fit into the Lutron Glass Faceplates, LFGR-1, LFGR-2, and LFGR-3. He found this image:



and he provided the documentation: http://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocum...369756_ENG.pdf

He also said the new C/L Hybrid Keypad will be released very soon.

Thanks, Paul. Greatly appreciated!
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Forgive me if this is obvious, I'm brand new to all of this. The keypad in the image has flat buttons which is different from the typical RRA2 keypads I've seen. Is this a new style? Is it the new keypad you're referring to?

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That style is from the more exclusive HomeWorks QS line of lighting control, which include several designs. RadioRA 2 keypads only come in the Designer seeTouch with insert style, and the newly released Grafik T.

HomeWorks QS keypad brochure: http://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocum...een%20view.pdf

Current RadioRA 2 brochure (10/2015): http://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocum...y/367-1663.pdf

Lutron Glass Faceplates wallplates are only made for select QS KPs and dimmers (but one of them has the same Decora opening for RA2 - Designer seeTouch with insert).

I strongly considered installing HomeWorks originally, but I wanted to DIY, and the wife didn't want to spend the money, 2 good reasons. That looks like a Palladiom KP above, with the glass wallplate.
OK, I'm an idiot. That image with the glass plate is not the Palladium. It's a 4-button wireless engravable battery operated Pico, not HW QS.

4-button Pico:


http://www.cepro.com/article/new_4-b...ffective_scene

QS Palladium:

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