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post #91 of 103 Old 01-02-2011, 10:29 AM
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You mean you have a software clock. We don't call that RTC . NTP can be used to keep the RTC accurate but is not a good replacement for it as there may not be a hardwired network connection nearby. GPS is very unlikely to exist because control systems typically are not moving so their location never changes . And at any rate, it is unlikely you can get a good GPS lock in a wiring closet. Adding hardware just to get an essential feature into the box is even less workable.

It is your solution so you can kludge it up if you like . Just know that clocks are very important part of the system as a lot of power management and transparent automation occurs based on them. Beside the clock, you need to have software support on top of it so that it is an accurate astronomical clock. I should be able to tell it my LAT and LON and have it know when sunset and sunrise are.

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CQC is VERY open but takes too much integration work for most people and doesn't have the fit and finish of Control4 because they lack their own hardware offering for a complete solution the average consumer wants.

This is being changed. Fundamental work is going on right now to allow us to provide a configuration utility that will let you configure C4 level scenarios and it will just generate the entire system for you. And, since it's just generating a CQC system, it's not like C4 where it's limited to just what C4 can do. You can then take that and move it forward if you want with all of the customization capabilities that CQC provides.

Or, you can stick with it as is and any time you want to make changes, just update the configuration and have it spit out the system again with the changes, whichever you prefer. But the nice the about scenario #1 is that it will provide a scheme that individuals can do themselves (or that integrators can do for very reasonable cost), while leaving a system in place that is very open to customization via upsell by integrators. So it gets the user a taste for a reasonable cost, but offers wide open customization opportunities for the integrator as well.

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Sounds interesting Dean.

You going out to CES this week? We need to get together again and catch up.
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I've added a trickle charged RTCC IC (no batteries to change ever) and the POE (Sparkfun variation) to the list. Also added I2C expansion to the mix.


Yet unnamed product description.

32MX695F512L (80MHz, 512k, 128k)
10/100 Ethernet
Two DE9 RS232/422/485 serial ports can be split for up to four RS232 ports
(CD pins are capture inputs and can be used for IR in via TSOPxxxx)
(DTR & DSR are TTL level compatible)
Socket for ZigBee (XBee S2 or S2P)
Three relays
Three IR blaster jacks
(can be internally jumpered to control external small signal relays)
Four GPIO
I2C expansion connector (internal & RJ6)
SPI RTCC (DS139x) with supercap & trickle charger
SPI SD card slot
8 position DIP switch (address (4), serial mode(4))
JTAG & PICKit3 headers
9V-37V power connector, Power over Ethernet (Sparkfun variation)

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Sounds interesting Dean.

You going out to CES this week? We need to get together again and catch up.
No, I won't be there. But we probably will be interested, once this is done, in exploring third party sales again. So we'll get up with you once we have something real to demonstrate on this front.

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I've added a trickle charged RTCC IC (no batteries to change ever) and the POE (Sparkfun variation) to the list. Also added I2C expansion to the mix.


Yet unnamed product description.

32MX695F512L (80MHz, 512k, 128k)
10/100 Ethernet
Two DE9 RS232/422/485 serial ports can be split for up to four RS232 ports
(CD pins are capture inputs and can be used for IR in via TSOPxxxx)
(DTR & DSR are TTL level compatible)
Socket for ZigBee (XBee S2 or S2P)
Three relays
Three IR blaster jacks
(can be internally jumpered to control external small signal relays)
Four GPIO
I2C expansion connector (internal & RJ6)
SPI RTCC (DS139x) with supercap & trickle charger
SPI SD card slot
8 position DIP switch (address (4), serial mode(4))
JTAG & PICKit3 headers
9V-37V power connector, Power over Ethernet (Sparkfun variation)

What about Wifi? How about USB for later integration?
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What about Wifi? How about USB for later integration?

WiFi not on the device but it's cheaper, easier and more flexible to add externally to the Ethernet port. An ASUS WL-330G is one such device.

Thanks for the reminder. I had USB OTG (OTG is a semi host mode, mostly for Flash drives) in the spec list. Problem with USB is driver support for many items, fortunately many USB HA devices have a RS232 equivalent.

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So I was looking at doing a Control4 home automation but the Security System with Thermostats I have are 2gig (Z-Wave), so far most dont think it is possible but do you think that I could use the bridge that someone mentioned prior to make them work together?

Bridge: ZCS101, first search on google
2gig Security: 2gig.com

Let me know your thoughts, thanks ahead of time for your help.
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Ok, 75% is off the mark but my point remains valid. The HA business is currently dominated by devices and information that's not easily available to the general pubic.
I'm a quick study and I'm always willing to learn. Forums like this one; make round table discussions possible for anyone anywhere and I do read all the replies and valuable suggestions by the members. By combining as many resources as I can gather I'm putting forward the first bit o' hardware as a starting point (everybody has to start somewhere).

By opening up the hardware & software the device could be programmed emulate any of the countless I/O bridges out there.

HomeSeer announced the HomeTroller Mini Controller for ~$300 which is basically their software on a ShivaPlug running Linux. It's got the power and brains but lacks the I/O. I'm not building the brains* but I am putting together one piece of the brawn, much like a malleable brick of Lego.

*The brains of the system is software based, I can't see any reason technically why HomeSeer and similar control software can't be ported to existing NAS or even the cloud.


HomeTroller Mini Controller

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It is very hard to get that information as they don't usually document.
I think this pretty much captures the issue.
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The peripherals often have much better documentation than the controllers. Also easy enough to use port sniffers to figure out the protocol. I'm building one piece of the puzzle at a time, starting with what IMHO is an integral part of any HA / HVAC system, the I/O controller. You've got to start somewhere.

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The schematic is coming along swimmingly. The 18F97J60 is well suited for the task. I'll layout the PCB to allow a second minimized no PS to be stacked for 6 relay extender via I2C

I've also got a smaller cheap & cheerful device I call a Moth

The Moth 24F08KA101

XBee S2P (ZigBee)
RS232 port (could also be RS485/422/232 if anyone sees a need for that sort of communication)
Single IR blaster (PWM)
Relay
Two switch inputs OR opto isolated inputs (tell me before I start the layout)

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The schematic is coming along swimmingly. The 18F97J60 is well suited for the task. I'll layout the PCB to allow a second minimized no PS to be stacked for 6 relay extender via I2C

I've also got a smaller cheap & cheerful device I call a Moth

The Moth 24F08KA101

XBee S2P (ZigBee)
RS232 port (could also be RS485/422/232 if anyone sees a need for that sort of communication)
Single IR blaster (PWM)
Relay
Two switch inputs OR opto isolated inputs (tell me before I start the layout)

I added something you might be interested in. It was fun. My house has 2 furnaces and 2 water heaters. I cobbled together a system that provides a log of their duty cycles in an excel spreadsheet. I'm going to add indoor/outdoor temperature sensors next so I can plot those along side the furnace usage. To what end? I don't know. It was just fun to do. It goes like this:

24vac furnace control -> rectifier -> Insteon EZIO2x4 -> HCA software -> vbs script -> xls log file

Fortunately my water heaters were installed where they need power vents and those are controlled by a 24vac circuit on a gas pressure switch at the burner.

Fun stuff for a "cobbler".
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