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Hi Everyone,
This is my first foray into home automation. I have a 3 bedroom apartment that I want sorted out. Total size is approximately 170 sqm. I'm living in Indonesia but since the systems are those that all of you are probably familiar with, I felt that it is appropriate to ask for your advice in terms of what is appropriate.

I got a vendor here to quote for a set up that would allow me to control the lighting, air-conditioning and media/sound system from say an ipad (reason being is that I would like to hook up 3 properties in different countries to the same system so that I can monitor and control each one remotely if need be). However, I think that what I'm getting may be a little expensive. Here are the specs for the system quoted based on the Crestron system:

Lighting and control system:

1.Dimmer module:

DIN-1 DIM 4-din rail dimmer, 1 feed, 4 channels, 5 units, each at USD 848, total USD 4240

DIN-4DIMFLV4-din rail 0-10V Fluorescent Dimmer, 1 unit, USD820

2.Living Room, Dining Room

PTL 4 Prodigy In-Wall Touchpanel, 1 Unit, USD 1100

BB-4 Pre-construction black box, 1 Unit, USD 141

3.Master Bedroom and Bathroom

C2NI-CB-T Cameo Keypad, International Version, Textured, 2 Units, each at USD 488, Total USD 976

WEJ5911k Crestron Keypad Cameo Inbowdus 1 Gang 2 Units, USD2 , Total USD4

CB16-BTN-T Single small engravable button Caps, 24 Units, USD16 each, Total 384

4.Bedroom 1 & 2

C2NI-CB-T Cameo Keypad, International Version, Textured, 2 Units, each at USD 488, Total USD 976

WEJ5911k Creastron Keypad Cameo Inbowdus 1 Gang 2 Units, USD2 , Total USD4

CB16-BTN-T Single small engravable button Caps, 24 Units, USD16 each, Total 384

Subtotal is USD 9029, Programming Implementation USD 1524, total cost is USD 10553.

Smart System Quotation-Power and Cresnet Distribution

PMC3I Prodigy Media Controller, International version, includes PMC3I and PW-2407WU, 1 unit, USD 1175

2.Accessories

Dlink Switch LAN 16 Port, 1 unit, USD 145

URT-120 Router, 1 Unit, USD 165

3.Programming

Crestron programming for Ipad, 1 unit, USD 500

Crestron Programming for Iphone/Ipod application download from Iphone App Store, 1 Unit, USD350

Subtotal is USD2335, Programming Implementation USD 251, Total cost is USD 2586

Multi-room Audio System

1.Audio Distribution System

PAMPI-4X100 Prodigy Multi-Zone Amplifier, International Version , 1 Unit, USD 1514

2.Ipod Docking (for master bedroom and living room)

P-IDOCV Prodigy Interface for Apple Ipod, 1 Unit, USD 690
3.Audio Speaker

Living room, dining room and pantry

BS-DS100F Bose Freespace Ceiling Speaker, 3 Units, each USD 348, Total USD 1044

Master Bedroom and Bathroom

BS-DS100F Bose Freespace Ceiling Speaker, 2 Units, each USD 348, Total USD 696

Bedroom 1

BS-DS100F Bose Freespace Ceiling Speaker, 1 Unit, USD 348

Bedroom 2

BS-DS100F Bose Freespace Ceiling Speaker, 1 Unit, USD 348

Subtotal USD 4640, Programming and Implementation USD 588, Total is USD 5228.

So the total cost for such an implementation would be in the region of USD 18367. I don't even see how the airconditioning can be centrally controlled with such a system so I have to ask them again.

I had a previous quote that was in the region of USD 32,481. That included motorized curtain rails, an additional PAC2M module for USD 1390 and a mini theatre setup.

The mini theatre for the living room that was quoted was a in my opinion was rubbish, I was quoted USD 5615 for a Bose lifestyle 48IV Black Dual AP with an add on BS-SL2 wireless surround link for USD315, plus implementation fee of USD674 which would have set me back USD 6870.

Now, having seen this, do you think I'm being overcharged for the stuff up there? I know there is professional courtesy not to dis the prices of other installers but in this case I want to know if what I'll be getting will be worth it and whether the charges are in fact reasonable. I hate to get taken for a ride and that's why I'm posting here so that you guys can chime in. Thanks!
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I don't know much on the topic, but comparing your quote with the one I got from a Crestron dealer in Europe (for the items that are the same) seems like you are charged a bit too high for hardware, but the price for Programming and Implementation seems very good!

Does the price include any VAT or Sales Tax, or you don't have such taxes there?
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You can't mix Prodigy and non-Prodigy Crestron without using the PMC3-XP controller....which is discontinued and incredibly rare/valuable as a "crossover" processor.
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You can't mix Prodigy and non-Prodigy Crestron without using the PMC3-XP controller....which is discontinued and incredibly rare/valuable as a "crossover" processor.

I have a hunch that is not the case for the Prodigy controller, international version.

I don't think it's the case for the US, either, FWIW.

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I have a hunch that is not the case for the Prodigy controller, international version.

I don't think it's the case for the US, either, FWIW.

It is 100% true, at least as far as North America is concerned. The PMC3 is locked down to using Prodigy only. You need the XP to use other stuff. Crestron realized this was a bad idea very quickly and pulled it.
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OP is in Indonesia. I don't think Prodigy is going 'distribution only' outside of N. America.

I think expansion from Prodigy is pretty easy, regardless; Crestron buys your PMC3, and you buy a new MC3.

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OP is in Indonesia. I don't think Prodigy is going 'distribution only' outside of N. America.

I think expansion from Prodigy is pretty easy, regardless; Crestron buys your PMC3, and you buy a new MC3.

It doesn't matter how you're buying it.

PMC3-XP allows you to use full line and Prodigy.

PMC3 allows you to use Prodigy only.

MC3 allows you to use full line only.

With the latter two, no crossing over is possible.
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Thanks for all the comments. I've been looking around at a lot of other solutions as well.

I checked out the control 4 system. Somehow I find their system very restrictive, as in these are the things you can do and that is about it. I liked how they integrated their media server into the rest of home automation seamlessly though.

The other one I checked out was the home automation system offered by legrand. Legrand specializes in switches and systems integrators can actually help to write software to run the switches/server in the home. I'm inclined towards the legrand system because 1) they are specialists in switches and 2) their system allows for easy reprogramming by the user rather than having to call on a technician to recode the software for the crestron and control 4 systems. 3) having it pesudo "open source" means I can mix and match any kind of component I want in the future if there are upgrades to be had-I'm not locked into any 1 proprietary system.

Price wise, everyone is within the 18-25k usd bracket.

At least this is my opinion. What do you guys think?
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Are the PMC3-XP and MC3 essentially the same processor?
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