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Question Best Switches/Outlets for use with Google Home (Google Assistant)

I am on the market for the most reliable way to use Google Home/Assistant to control lighting (and some other things) in my home. I have looked into Philips Hue and while the idea is really great, I worry about the durability of the individual bulbs. My home has quite a few multi bulb fixtures and swapping them all for $15 white wifi bulbs pus the cost of the hub may not be the greatest investment if they are not durable. I also figured that leaving the manual switches in place may cause problems with what control Google Home would have over them if the old switch was left in the off position.


So, I looked more to swapping out the switches and outlets themselves. In this research I have come across some scary stories about Wemo not having the best Wifi Stability. Does this seem to be a recurring problem? Reading that sent me in the TP-Link direction, where I have seen less sob stories about them, and the cost is better than Wemo's. I also see that Lutron is now supporting Google Home, maybe that is a route to look down too???


I would need to swap out 7-8 light switches, dimmers not required but would be nice, and some plugs as well. Anyone have any thoughts on these products? This will be a long process of upgrading all my equipment but I would like to get started and stick with the same brand throughout if possible. Any suggestions are welcome... Thanks!
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I am on the market for the most reliable way to use Google Home/Assistant to control lighting (and some other things) in my home. I have looked into Philips Hue and while the idea is really great, I worry about the durability of the individual bulbs. My home has quite a few multi bulb fixtures and swapping them all for $15 white wifi bulbs pus the cost of the hub may not be the greatest investment if they are not durable. I also figured that leaving the manual switches in place may cause problems with what control Google Home would have over them if the old switch was left in the off position.


So, I looked more to swapping out the switches and outlets themselves. In this research I have come across some scary stories about Wemo not having the best Wifi Stability. Does this seem to be a recurring problem? Reading that sent me in the TP-Link direction, where I have seen less sob stories about them, and the cost is better than Wemo's. I also see that Lutron is now supporting Google Home, maybe that is a route to look down too???


I would need to swap out 7-8 light switches, dimmers not required but would be nice, and some plugs as well. Anyone have any thoughts on these products? This will be a long process of upgrading all my equipment but I would like to get started and stick with the same brand throughout if possible. Any suggestions are welcome... Thanks!
Lutron is a good product. They do not have Caseta electrical outlets. You will need to purchase the Lutron hub.

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Has anyone used these brands personally and could comment on the stability of the Wemo Brand vs. the TP-Link brand? After some further checking, it looks like Wemo supports IFTTT where TP-Link currently does not. I could see myself dabbling in IFTTT in the near future, but the while the Wemo supports it, the wifi stability horror stories worry me. Are these devices a product that could be updated to support IFTTT in the future?
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I would not go with Wemo...they don't support integration to many systems.
I would not go with any lighting device or hub that is cloud based due to latency, reliability and security reasons.
Not much mention of TP-Link devices.

Go with Lutron Caseta or RadioRa2
Or Insteon
Or Z-Wave.

Much better integration capability.

If you are interested in "dabbling" then look at a "Master Controller" which is the first decision as a DIY'r that wants to integrate across many things (lighting being one thing).
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I would not go with Wemo...they don't support integration to many systems.
I would not go with any lighting device or hub that is cloud based due to latency, reliability and security reasons.
Not much mention of TP-Link devices.

Go with Lutron Caseta or RadioRa2
Or Insteon
Or Z-Wave.

Much better integration capability.

If you are interested in "dabbling" then look at a "Master Controller" which is the first decision as a DIY'r that wants to integrate across many things (lighting being one thing).



hmmm... seems that lutron is the only one of those listed that is currently supported on google assistant...
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Caseta is, imo, the best of the consumer-level systems. If you aren't in a rush, there are frequent sales on the starter kits which include a couple of dimmers, remotes and the hub at Home Depot. I don't know how big your overall project is, but I believe Caseta has a 50 device limit, so that may factor into your thinking - though for a much larger system than that you'll likely want to go with a more pro-level system.
Caseta doesn't offer receptacles, however, so you'd need a different system for that.
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We have 2 Wemo switches and they work great with the GH we have. No complaints.
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We have a wink hub and a ton of mismatched products bought over the years and appart from my tcp lights witch needed their own hub and that now offline forever. Everything work fine.

I have Lutron switches and dimmers (no caseta hub thanks to wink) Leviton switch, outlet and dimmers, Liftmaster Garage door, Zwave alarm system, Canary, schlage deadbolts and more.

I fell slowly into automation over the last 4 years and find it great now. Google just made my life even easier I dont even have to get my phone out.

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We have a wink hub and a ton of mismatched products bought over the years and appart from my tcp lights witch needed their own hub and that now offline forever. Everything work fine.

I have Lutron switches and dimmers (no caseta hub thanks to wink) Leviton switch, outlet and dimmers, Liftmaster Garage door, Zwave alarm system, Canary, schlage deadbolts and more.

I fell slowly into automation over the last 4 years and find it great now. Google just made my life even easier I dont even have to get my phone out.

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Thanks for the reply. So I assume you are happy with the cooperation between wink and Lutron? I see Wink also works with Philips Hue? I am sort of interested in the rope light that they offer, to create bias lighting behind a wall mounted LED TV. Would you personally lean towards Wink over the integrated Philips or Lutron Hubs? I guess wink allows me to use Lutron and Philips gear in different areas if desired...? Is it the Wink Hub you have or have you upgraded to the Wink Hub 2? Is there sufficient need to go ahead and get the 2 over the original?


I went and looked at some Lutron options today at BB. Don't like the prices there but do have a few questions.


The small remote that comes with what looks like EVERY in-wall switch, does it only control the switch that comes with it? I don't plan on using these "remotes" as the switch location, phone and GH can control them, correct? Seems that replacing all the switches in my desired rooms, may get confusing with all of these remotes laying around. I assume they can just be put away and out of mind. Though it seems like I may be paying for something I wont use then?


It seems that the Lutron switches are dimmers as well.I FINALLY got all the right color (5000-6500k) LEDs in my house as I wanted. Now how will a dimmer affect these? Will the dimmer simply just not work, or will it damage my non-dimmable bulbs I just purchased?


Also, I ASSUME two Lutron switches could be installed in an existing dual wall box? I realize I would need to get a compatible 3rd party wall plate, but that should be easy enough...


And here is the important one... Does GH and the mobile app have control over the lights in any room regardless of what has been done to the switch. Say one of my kids runs by and turns a Lutron switch off, can I still control it from the app or GH?


Sorry for all of the questions and thanks for any help you can offer...

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On another note... those of you that use Philips Hue in your setups. With communicating directly to the bulb(s) what do you do with your old standard light switches. Do you bypass them and just put on blank plates? Does turning off the old switch not leave the bulb(s) in a state that cannot be controlled by the Hub?


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Thanks for the reply. So I assume you are happy with the cooperation between wink and Lutron? I see Wink also works with Philips Hue? I am sort of interested in the rope light that they offer, to create bias lighting behind a wall mounted LED TV. Would you personally lean towards Wink over the integrated Philips or Lutron Hubs? I guess wink allows me to use Lutron and Philips gear in different areas if desired...? Is it the Wink Hub you have or have you upgraded to the Wink Hub 2? Is there sufficient need to go ahead and get the 2 over the original?


I went and looked at some Lutron options today at BB. Don't like the prices there but do have a few questions.


The small remote that comes with what looks like EVERY in-wall switch, does it only control the switch that comes with it? I don't plan on using these "remotes" as the switch location, phone and GH can control them, correct? Seems that replacing all the switches in my desired rooms, may get confusing with all of these remotes laying around. I assume they can just be put away and out of mind. Though it seems like I may be paying for something I wont use then?


It seems that the Lutron switches are dimmers as well.I FINALLY got all the right color (5000-6500k) LEDs in my house as I wanted. Now how will a dimmer affect these? Will the dimmer simply just not work, or will it damage my non-dimmable bulbs I just purchased?


Also, I ASSUME two Lutron switches could be installed in an existing dual wall box? I realize I would need to get a compatible 3rd party wall plate, but that should be easy enough...


And here is the important one... Does GH and the mobile app have control over the lights in any room regardless of what has been done to the switch. Say one of my kids runs by and turns a Lutron switch off, can I still control it from the app or GH?


Sorry for all of the questions and thanks for any help you can offer...

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On another note... those of you that use Philips Hue in your setups. With communicating directly to the bulb(s) what do you do with your old standard light switches. Do you bypass them and just put on blank plates? Does turning off the old switch not leave the bulb(s) in a state that cannot be controlled by the Hub?


I am quite busy tonight but should find some time tomorrow to answer. It'll a looonnnggg Answer and if you do get connected bulbs take the swtiches out. Or be prepared to curse a lot.
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Thanks for the reply. So I assume you are happy with the cooperation between wink and Lutron?Yes I am!! I see Wink also works with Philips Hue? Yes it does and much much more! I am sort of interested in the rope light that they offer, to create bias lighting behind a wall mounted LED TV. Would you personally lean towards Wink over the integrated Philips or Lutron Hubs? Sadly some brands need their hubs to integrate into wink Philips is one of them so where my now unsupported TCPlights TCP decide to pull the plug on their connected world and left us.. I guess wink allows me to use Lutron and Philips gear in different areas if desired...? Yes you can mix and match just about anything and thats great but some things work better than others Is it the Wink Hub you have or have you upgraded to the Wink Hub 2? I have the Original but will probably end up buying the new one eventually. Is there sufficient need to go ahead and get the 2 over the original? That depends on budget mostly b


I went and looked at some Lutron options today at BB. Don't like the prices there but do have a few questions. BB is to expensive on connected thing try Home depot or online.


The small remote that comes with what looks like EVERY in-wall switch, does it only control the switch that comes with it? I don't plan on using these "remotes" as the switch location, phone and GH can control them, correct? Seems that replacing all the switches in my desired rooms, may get confusing with all of these remotes laying around. I assume they can just be put away and out of mind. Though it seems like I may be paying for something I wont use then?
You can actually program the remotes to control specific modules and act as wall switch as much as I love the app or GH sometimes you a wall plate is all you need I.e: in the middle of the night.

It seems that the Lutron switches are dimmers as well.I FINALLY got all the right color (5000-6500k) LEDs in my house as I wanted. Now how will a dimmer affect these? Will the dimmer simply just not work, or will it damage my non-dimmable bulbs I just purchased?

They have regular wall switches and dimmers also plug-able modules. Are you sure your led are non dimmable ? it seems weird most are now. If not the go for regular switches
Also, I ASSUME two Lutron switches could be installed in an existing dual wall box? I realize I would need to get a compatible 3rd party wall plate, but that should be easy enough...dont know that but they are quite big, every connected switch or outlet is bigger than the regular ones also they need a 3 wire (line neutral ground)


And here is the important one... Does GH and the mobile app have control over the lights in any room regardless of what has been done to the switch. Say one of my kids runs by and turns a Lutron switch off, can I still control it from the app or GH? Yep as long as there still electricity in that switch. beware of tree ways.


Sorry for all of the questions and thanks for any help you can offer...
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On another note... those of you that use Philips Hue in your setups. With communicating directly to the bulb(s) what do you do with your old standard light switches. Do you bypass them and just put on blank plates? Does turning off the old switch not leave the bulb(s) in a state that cannot be controlled by the Hub?I should bypass them. Every now and again someone comes home and close the lights by the regular switch. I turn it on again and most of the time they are still online. Every connected bulb I own have some sort of safety feature like they have to lose electricity 5 times to reset.


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Thanks for all the information! Hugely helpful. Looks like I am leaning towards a Wink Hub 2. It seems to broaden my compatible components.


Now, for those that have used them, is there added benefit to using Lutron switches over say a GE z-wave switch that I can get locally? I mean the Lutron switches are more attractive for sure, but at the end of the day they are just a light switch and I need to replace quite a few. money could be saved going with GE... Thoughts?

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Sadly some brands need their hubs to integrate into wink Philips is one of them ...

Am I reading this one wrong? Even with Wink, to use Philips lighting I will still need to add the Philips Hue Bridge as well?

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Now, for those that have used them, is there added benefit to using Lutron switches over say a GE z-wave switch that I can get locally? I mean the Lutron switches are more attractive for sure, but at the end of the day they are just a light switch and I need to replace quite a few. money could be saved going with GE... Thoughts?

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Thanks for all the information! Hugely helpful. Looks like I am leaning towards a Wink Hub 2. It seems to broaden my compatible components.


Now, for those that have used them, is there added benefit to using Lutron switches over say a GE z-wave switch that I can get locally? I mean the Lutron switches are more attractive for sure, but at the end of the day they are just a light switch and I need to replace quite a few. money could be saved going with GE... Thoughts?

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Am I reading this one wrong? Even with Wink, to use Philips lighting I will still need to add the Philips Hue Bridge as well?

Well the Lutron have been around for a while and are reliable. I cant speak for the GE I havent used them there not available locally here. I have used Leviton switch dimers outlets and modules with great success tho.

As for phillips, Yeah you need their own device as well....

I really like the fact that wink removed the need for cloud services for local control of the light trough the app.
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On another note... those of you that use Philips Hue in your setups. With communicating directly to the bulb(s) what do you do with your old standard light switches. Do you bypass them and just put on blank plates? Does turning off the old switch not leave the bulb(s) in a state that cannot be controlled by the Hub?
For my Philips Hue lights, I bought switches for the rooms that needed them. I mounted them directly above the built in light switch. The switch can come off to be used like a remote but I've always just left them on the wall. If you turn the physical wall switch off there is no power to the lights so you will need to leave it on for it to work. In my situation this has never been a problem. I didn't have switches for the first month or so of having the Hue lights and managed to get by with my phone and Google Home, but sometimes there's nothing like having a physical switch you can tap on your way in or out of a room. I use the switch about half the time, and Google Home/Siri the other half. I didn't like being without a physical switch.
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For my Philips Hue lights, I bought switches for the rooms that needed them. I mounted them directly above the built in light switch. The switch can come off to be used like a remote but I've always just left them on the wall. If you turn the physical wall switch off there is no power to the lights so you will need to leave it on for it to work. In my situation this has never been a problem. I didn't have switches for the first month or so of having the Hue lights and managed to get by with my phone and Google Home, but sometimes there's nothing like having a physical switch you can tap on your way in or out of a room. I use the switch about half the time, and Google Home/Siri the other half. I didn't like being without a physical switch.
Same here! Also added two wink relays in the house. Basically a phone app on the wall plus 2 real switches, you can program however you like, Such as Night mode Movie mode etc.
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Same here! Also added two wink relays in the house. Basically a phone app on the wall plus 2 real switches, you can program however you like, Such as Night mode Movie mode etc.
I haven't heard of Wink before. That looks useful! And the price seems reasonable too. I might have to pick up a couple.
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Lutron Caseta owner here as well as Philips Hue.


I like Wemo only if you're adding maybe one or two in-walls. The problem with Wemo and others like TP-Link is that they use 2.4Ghz connections which is congested.

Lutron uses Clear Connect which is low power and has even further reach. The Bridge is just there to handle Wifi traversing and integrations (scene storage etc). You could

install your Lutron Caseta system and then disconnect the bridge from Internet access and all of your lights will work including scheduling. There's power in a bridge which is

why the largest vendors use them.


My Philips Hue system is great but I grow weary of leaving the light switch on all of the time. Philips has a dimmer but it is ugly by modern standards. I love that the Caseta system
works with my Echo and Google Home regardless of whether the lights are off or on.

Lutron works with EVERYTHING. HomeKit, SmartThings, Wink, Nest, Hunter fans, and more.

If you plan on doing multiple in-wall switches you're going to learn to LOVE the benefits of the Pico remotes (no wired connections needed, 10 year battery life)
and how you can have multiple picos controlling one switch (great for replacing 3-way/4-way switches)

Also even if your wallbox has neutrals it's GREAT that you don't have to worry about them with Caseta. Almost all competitors require a Neutral to provide constant power. Lutron engineers
are incredible in handling power. I've got Caseta and Maestro motion sensing dimmer in my bath and not a Neutral hooked up.

Lutron Caseta is so good most of us are on Lutron's forums begging them for more hardware (Caseta fan controller, Fireplace, Occupancy Sensor etc)


Keep in mind though Lutron's babies are Homeworks QS and Radio RA and they won't knife those babies for Caseta so it'll likely be purposely limited in some ways.
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Thanks everyone for all of the replies. I am LEANING towards a Wink Hub, but I still have worries. The site claims that the Wink Hub works with Phillips, Lutron, GE, Leviton and others. But it appears it doesn't work DIRECTLY with Phillips as the Phillips Bridge is still required? Is it that way with the others like Lutron? And if all these others need their own Bridges/Hubs, why then am I buying the Wink Hub? Keep in mind that I ultimately want to control as much of this as I can with voice through GH. I mean if I have a Wink Hub, Lutron (or maybe GE depending on price) switches throughout, the possibility of Phillips Hue for TV bias lighting (rope). Does this require me to have Wink/Lutron/Phillips hubs present. I realize that would allow GH to control all of those, but about phone apps, do I need to manage all three or does the Wink Hub work will all of the other to do away with the need for the individual Lutron and Phillips apps? This is why a community like this is so important to newcomers and I thank you all for that. One could go completely wrong when jumping into this for the first time...
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Thanks everyone for all of the replies. I am LEANING towards a Wink Hub, but I still have worries. The site claims that the Wink Hub works with Phillips, Lutron, GE, Leviton and others. But it appears it doesn't work DIRECTLY with Phillips as the Phillips Bridge is still required? Is it that way with the others like Lutron? And if all these others need their own Bridges/Hubs, why then am I buying the Wink Hub? Keep in mind that I ultimately want to control as much of this as I can with voice through GH. I mean if I have a Wink Hub, Lutron (or maybe GE depending on price) switches throughout, the possibility of Phillips Hue for TV bias lighting (rope). Does this require me to have Wink/Lutron/Phillips hubs present. I realize that would allow GH to control all of those, but about phone apps, do I need to manage all three or does the Wink Hub work will all of the other to do away with the need for the individual Lutron and Phillips apps? This is why a community like this is so important to newcomers and I thank you all for that. One could go completely wrong when jumping into this for the first time...
Rest easy, Only a handful of brands need their own hubs. Usually because they have either a communication standard of their own or have to go through a cloud service.

Wink works directly with most standards z-wave zigbee etc. Some apps for some device will give you more options than the wink app. Like Canary will show you videos in app where Wink won't. But most the time wink is all you need. And you can also create scene or robots to link multiple devices. And that means that GH will have access through wink to some devices it couldn't on its own.
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Rest easy, Only a handful of brands need their own hubs. Usually because they have either a communication standard of their own or have to go through a cloud service.

Wink works directly with most standards z-wave zigbee etc. Some apps for some device will give you more options than the wink app. Like Canary will show you videos in app where Wink won't. But most the time wink is all you need. And you can also create scene or robots to link multiple devices. And that means that GH will have access through wink to some devices it couldn't on its own.



So, it looks like if I stick with brands that utilize the z-wave or zigbee protocol I should be able to work directly with Wink, then. I know GE brand switches, etc. run on z-wave. Do we know what Lutron uses? I assume since it seems to be working for everyone, one of the ones supported by Wink?


To get rid of the need for a Phillips Bridge, anyone know of a good replacement to the Hue Rope light?
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So, it looks like if I stick with brands that utilize the z-wave or zigbee protocol I should be able to work directly with Wink, then. I know GE brand switches, etc. run on z-wave. Do we know what Lutron uses? I assume since it seems to be working for everyone, one of the ones supported by Wink?


To get rid of the need for a Phillips Bridge, anyone know of a good replacement to the Hue Rope light?
Lutron uses its own proprietary standard - ClearConnect. Same standard as it uses for Radio Ra2 and the wireless part of its HomeWorks line.
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I have Smartthings with Zwave switches, dimmers, door sensors, a lock etc. and they work natively with Google Home, and you can do routines (macro) through IFTTT integration.

I recommend going the open standard route (Zwave/Zigbee) because you can expand your system over time. Personally, I think Smartthings is a better option than Wink due to the size of the community, Smartthings being owned by Samsung and other factors which make it more likely that it will survive longer into the future.
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I have 28 Wemo switches and plugs. There is an app called "AutomationManager For IoT" that allows you to control the Wemo devices directly using an Android device acting as a hub/server. You only have to use the cloud for updating firmware. They work great with GH, but I think that still goes through the cloud.

You can find more info here..."sites.google.com/site/mppsuite/faq/wemomanager"

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Hi,

I've been playing with home automation since the X10 was popular.

I use the Alexa, the Wink, Chamberline Garage Door opener, Harmony Hub, Nest Thermostat and smoke detectors and various types of light switches and plugs. Whether you you use Google or Alexa is a personal choice. They both function similarly. They allow for vocal integration to the automation system. The Wink or Smartthings are nothing more then hubs that interact with the usage of a smart phone to control the various devices such as light switches if a vocal hub is not introduced. No one can predict the future longevity of any device such as a hub (wink vs Smartthings). I personally do not like to control devices via a smart phone, as I find it too cumbersome. Once I added the Alexa the whole system ran as smooth as silk.

As for switches and bulbs. If possible strive to replace a switch. If economics is an issue, sometimes a wifi bulb is cheaper then a switch. The downside to a bulb is that someone can come along and turn off the switch and if left off long enough can cause the hub to drop the device thereby needing the device to be reset within the hub. My overall collection of switches are the Lutron Caseta and a couple of Levitons. The Lutrons are a two wire based switch that does not require neutral connection. The vast majority of my lighting works great with these but certain light fixtures do not. Some LED fixtures require a neutral connection and in the situations that I have experienced, without the neutral connection the light has an oscillating or strobing effect; so the Leviton fixed this.

In my dealings with the help desk with Wink, they are excellent and knowledgeable. I choose the Wink as I found it to meet all of my needs. In many cases many devices will offer a hub but this is only necessary if one does not have a primary hub such a Wink or Smartthings.

You may desire a form of automation that is not out right controllable. The IFTTT is great in these situations, such as my garage door opener. The door opener works great with a smart phone but is not as straight forward with Alexa. When I initiated the IFTTT option, it now works via voice commands.

In a nutshell, this is more of a personal choice issue. If I can give you a word of advice, that would be to check out what it is you want to automate. Go onto You Tube and see what others have done and make a list. If you have a spouse, talk it over with them and see what they would like as well. In my case my wife wanted to control the stereo system via voice command hence the Harmony Hub. Next see who can source the equipment needed. Is the suppliers local? (In my case Best Buy, Home Depot and Lowes offer the basic need for home automation.) Is there a difference in cost from one to the other? Always check the packaging to assure that the product you are buying is compatible with the system you have chosen.

This is something that is fun to do and the possibilities can be almost endless. As for me, my next stage is to have an automated main water shut off in the case of a major water leak.

If you have any other questions just ask and good luck.
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So, it looks like if I stick with brands that utilize the z-wave or zigbee protocol I should be able to work directly with Wink, then. I know GE brand switches, etc. run on z-wave. Do we know what Lutron uses? I assume since it seems to be working for everyone, one of the ones supported by Wink?


To get rid of the need for a Phillips Bridge, anyone know of a good replacement to the Hue Rope light?
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I have Smartthings with Zwave switches, dimmers, door sensors, a lock etc. and they work natively with Google Home, and you can do routines (macro) through IFTTT integration.

I recommend going the open standard route (Zwave/Zigbee) because you can expand your system over time. Personally, I think Smartthings is a better option than Wink due to the size of the community, Smartthings being owned by Samsung and other factors which make it more likely that it will survive longer into the future.
Yeah go with an open standard if you can.

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Hi,

I've been playing with home automation since the X10 was popular.

I use the Alexa, the Wink, Chamberline Garage Door opener, Harmony Hub, Nest Thermostat and smoke detectors and various types of light switches and plugs. Whether you you use Google or Alexa is a personal choice. They both function similarly. They allow for vocal integration to the automation system. The Wink or Smartthings are nothing more then hubs that interact with the usage of a smart phone to control the various devices such as light switches if a vocal hub is not introduced. No one can predict the future longevity of any device such as a hub (wink vs Smartthings). I personally do not like to control devices via a smart phone, as I find it too cumbersome. Once I added the Alexa the whole system ran as smooth as silk.

As for switches and bulbs. If possible strive to replace a switch. If economics is an issue, sometimes a wifi bulb is cheaper then a switch. The downside to a bulb is that someone can come along and turn off the switch and if left off long enough can cause the hub to drop the device thereby needing the device to be reset within the hub. My overall collection of switches are the Lutron Caseta and a couple of Levitons. The Lutrons are a two wire based switch that does not require neutral connection. The vast majority of my lighting works great with these but certain light fixtures do not. Some LED fixtures require a neutral connection and in the situations that I have experienced, without the neutral connection the light has an oscillating or strobing effect; so the Leviton fixed this.

In my dealings with the help desk with Wink, they are excellent and knowledgeable. I choose the Wink as I found it to meet all of my needs. In many cases many devices will offer a hub but this is only necessary if one does not have a primary hub such a Wink or Smartthings.

You may desire a form of automation that is not out right controllable. The IFTTT is great in these situations, such as my garage door opener. The door opener works great with a smart phone but is not as straight forward with Alexa. When I initiated the IFTTT option, it now works via voice commands.

In a nutshell, this is more of a personal choice issue. If I can give you a word of advice, that would be to check out what it is you want to automate. Go onto You Tube and see what others have done and make a list. If you have a spouse, talk it over with them and see what they would like as well. In my case my wife wanted to control the stereo system via voice command hence the Harmony Hub. Next see who can source the equipment needed. Is the suppliers local? (In my case Best Buy, Home Depot and Lowes offer the basic need for home automation.) Is there a difference in cost from one to the other? Always check the packaging to assure that the product you are buying is compatible with the system you have chosen.

This is something that is fun to do and the possibilities can be almost endless. As for me, my next stage is to have an automated main water shut off in the case of a major water leak.

If you have any other questions just ask and good luck.
That's pretty much all you need to know right there nicely resumed.

On a side note very similar system here also looking a the main shut off valve for the house what are you looking at? and how do you like the Harmony hub integration as a whole?

Sorry Op not trying to Hijack your thread but it's great to have Fellow AVS'er input here.
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