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Well, that's what I had. and yes I have a Sammy LN52A650.

It could be because you have the backlight at 0 that makes it look horrible in his eyes. That's the only thing pops up in my mind??? Unless hes one of the masses and hates D6500k picture and prefers it more blue.

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It could be because you have the backlight at 0 that makes it look horrible in his eyes. That's the only thing pops up in my mind??? Unless hes one of the masses and hates D6500k picture and prefers it more blue.
NO, NO, NO. I love D6500k it's just if it goes any higher than 0 backlight the bleed through is REALLY distracting. I'm trying to get it fixed, the first tech I had said it was "normal"..Thanks tech big help...Here's pictures of the screen tell me what you think.
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NO, NO, NO. I love D6500k it's just if it goes any higher than 0 backlight the bleed through is REALLY distracting. I'm trying to get it fixed, the first tech I had said it was "normal"..Thanks tech big help...Here's pictures of the screen tell me what you think.
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Oh so your forcing yourself to use backlight at 0 because of that... Sadly I don't know what happened but my mom touched my TV somehow and it made the flashlights much much worse as bad as yours or worse and I use a backlight of 3 with contrast at 96, brightness at 48 with gamma set to -2 (negative).

I don't know what to do now... I love this TV but I don't want to deal with it and get a crappier TV in the process. I do have an extended warranty from PC Richards (Samsung warranty been up of course) and it runs out in November of this year.

I'm thinking I should wait till then so if they can't fix the flashlights to just give me a comparable 2010 TV compared to a 2009 TV if I do it now lol.

One thing I havent tried yet is bias lighting and it might improve my blacks and hide the flashlights somewhat since with the lights on in my room (not bright) the blacks look slightly better.

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Oh thank you! Someone understands. I know what you mean, at the moment I don't actually know if my screen is having a bleed through problems or if that's just how the screen is supposed to look like. I've tried numerous ambient lighting differences to know prevail. I think I'll just call up Samsung again and demand for a new screen this time. I mean hell, what can I loose? Could you actually show me a picture of your TV? I'd like to compare the differences.
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What setting are folks using? I'm using component cables, but the pic still looks pretty bad. I'm in movie mode, should I be using game more or something?
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What setting are folks using? I'm using component cables, but the pic still looks pretty bad. I'm in movie mode, should I be using game more or something?

Sorry but there isn't really much you can do with the wii since its SD, therefore the TV has to stretch the image to fit it on the screen. Your best option to improve over all image quality is to set the tv to 4:3 mode to avoid the image being stretched.

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Oh thank you! Someone understands. I know what you mean, at the moment I don't actually know if my screen is having a bleed through problems or if that's just how the screen is supposed to look like. I've tried numerous ambient lighting differences to know prevail. I think I'll just call up Samsung again and demand for a new screen this time. I mean hell, what can I loose? Could you actually show me a picture of your TV? I'd like to compare the differences.

Im sorry but its bleed through, because I only notice bleed through in the upper left corner if I set the backlight to 7.

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Sorry but there isn't really much you can do with the wii since its SD, therefore the TV has to stretch the image to fit it on the screen. Your best option to improve over all image quality is to set the tv to 4:3 mode to avoid the image being stretched.

This is not really correct. The Wii will output a 16:9 480i SD image allowing you to leave your TV in 16:9 mode. If you are just using the composite cables, then you could stand to upgrade to the component cables for a 480p image. You'll need to go into the Wii and set the options for progressive scan and widescreen mode. This is how I have my Wii hooked up and I need to use E.Mode=Game to reduce the lag (ie. which leaves me with no control over picture settings). I know most people slam game mode, but I think it looks alright. Sure, I'd like the B650 option to adjust picture settings in game mode, but I was a year too early on my TV purchase.

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This is not really correct. The Wii will output a 16:9 480i SD image allowing you to leave your TV in 16:9 mode. If you are just using the composite cables, then you could stand to upgrade to the component cables for a 480p image. You'll need to go into the Wii and set the options for progressive scan and widescreen mode. This is how I have my Wii hooked up and I need to use E.Mode=Game to reduce the lag (ie. which leaves me with no control over picture settings). I know most people slam game mode, but I think it looks alright. Sure, I'd like the B650 option to adjust picture settings in game mode, but I was a year too early on my TV purchase.

You are missing my point. The Wii can only output 640 x 480p that only 307200 pixels. The A650 native 1920 x 1080p thats 2073600 which is 6.75 times more pixels than 480p. Setting the Wii to wide-screen is no different then setting the Tv to 16:9 mode on 4:3 material. The final result is the source material is going to be stretched to fit the screen which will reduce image quality. The Wii is 480p is 480p no matter, its like trying to get a DVD movie at 480p to compare to a 1080p blu-ray movie.

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Even putting the TV in 4:3 mode is stretching the 480p content. The idea is setting the Wii to 16:9 will make those pixels non-square (anamorphic), so that you'll get the correct aspect ratio. Since the Wii is 480p limited, it's never going to look spectacular. I understand that in 16:9 mode, more of the TV is showing the same number of pixels, therefore a slight drop in picture quality. But, by that same token, people with an anamorphic DVD should set their player to 4:3 letterbox, so the TV doesn't show those pixels any larger than it has to.

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Use your component cables and set the TV to P.Mode=16:9, E.Mode=Game, and set the Wii to Widescreen and Progressive.

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I have a 46a650 tv in my living room. I also have a 32" 550 series in the bed room. I know that this is the 650 cal. thread, but I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions to my problem w/the 550-clipping of video signal when attempting to calibrate the picture. If the tv clips the signal at the 234 pt. when adjusting the contrast, how do properly set the contrast? There is a large range of room left to adjust the contrast out and I don't know how or when it is at its optimum setting.

Thanks for any assistance.
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Hey guys, quick question. I have an LN52A650 with firmware 2008.9 (was shipped out like that) I've been hearing that the 2007.0 firmware has better picture quality and the AMP is more fluid, etc. Is this true? Would you guys recommend that I downgrade to 2007.0?

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Hey guys, quick question. I have an LN52A650 with firmware 2008.9 (was shipped out like that) I've been hearing that the 2007.0 firmware has better picture quality and the AMP is more fluid, etc. Is this true? Would you guys recommend that I downgrade to 2007.0?

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Is a downgrade even possible? methinks not..
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Is a downgrade even possible? methinks not..

From what I've heard it is. I just don't know if I should do a downgrade.
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I just bought a new slim PS3.

What is the best setting for a PS3 (gaming and movie) right now ?

I'm unable to find Kaki calibration settings on page 46.

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Even putting the TV in 4:3 mode is stretching the 480p content. The idea is setting the Wii to 16:9 will make those pixels non-square (anamorphic), so that you'll get the correct aspect ratio. Since the Wii is 480p limited, it's never going to look spectacular. I understand that in 16:9 mode, more of the TV is showing the same number of pixels, therefore a slight drop in picture quality. But, by that same token, people with an anamorphic DVD should set their player to 4:3 letterbox, so the TV doesn't show those pixels any larger than it has to.

smjbh5,
Use your component cables and set the TV to P.Mode=16:9, E.Mode=Game, and set the Wii to Widescreen and Progressive.

thanks, i'll try that.
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I just bought a new slim PS3.

What is the best setting for a PS3 (gaming and movie) right now ?

I'm unable to find Kaki calibration settings on page 46.

Thank you

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Hello. I have been calibrating my TV and ran into a small problem. I am following the tutorial "Greyscale for Dummies" that is online and explains how to calibrate your tv using the HCFR program and the i1 sensor. The problem is that it states to set your "Brightness" at the 10 IRE to .0065% of your "Y" value at 100 IRE. This will allow you to get your Gamma to 2.2 at the 10 IRE. I presume that this is a good thing for the darkness of screen images in this range. My issue is that this method will greatly reduce your contrast ratio. If you use the flashing bars in the AVSHD disc to set your brightness/contrast, then the results for the brightness reading is drastically different than with the .0065% method. Is this a problem? I can't adjust out my contrast anymore using AVSHD flashing bars because it is at its' highest reading now without becoming pink. Do I need to be concerned with the contrast ratio if my gamma is set properly at the 10 IRE?

Thanks for any help.
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I have looked everyone on here and i cant find picture settings for playing games on the PS3, mainly Sports games, for the LN52A650. Can someone please show me in the right direction or even tell me what page they are on? I've searched and searched and nothing. I've read Bill's are the best but when i click on his setting its brings up a PDF file and its just the BD35 Blu ray player, No PS3 settings. Also, i went to page 123 and i couldnt figure out which one of those settings to use. There were to many and i didnt see one just for PS3.
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I have looked everyone on here and i cant find picture settings for playing games on the PS3, mainly Sports games, for the LN52A650. Can someone please show me in the right direction or even tell me what page they are on? I've searched and searched and nothing. I've read Bill's are the best but when i click on his setting its brings up a PDF file and its just the BD35 Blu ray player, No PS3 settings. Also, i went to page 123 and i couldnt figure out which one of those settings to use. There were to many and i didnt see one just for PS3.

Read more carefully! The guy that originally wrote it was foreign so it's not as clear as it could be, but do a search for "PS3" on page 123 and you'll find it pretty quickly.
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Read more carefully! The guy that originally wrote it was foreign so it's not as clear as it could be, but do a search for "PS3" on page 123 and you'll find it pretty quickly.

I tried Kaki's, Bill's, and others but they are all dark to me. Bill's looks amazing, but again, the picture just seems to dark. I want something that will POP. My viewing room has medium light during the day and moderate light at night, but even at night when i turn all the lights out it still seems to dark. I messed with the brightness, backlight, etc, but couldnt get it right. I'm not good at adjusting the picture anyway. Anyone have any settings for a brighter picture or any suggestions?
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I tried Kaki's, Bill's, and others but they are all dark to me. Bill's looks amazing, but again, the picture just seems to dark. I want something that will POP. My viewing room has medium light during the day and moderate light at night, but even at night when i turn all the lights out it still seems to dark. I messed with the brightness, backlight, etc, but couldnt get it right. I'm not good at adjusting the picture anyway. Anyone have any settings for a brighter picture or any suggestions?

be sure that energy saving is set to off
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How should the setting be on my HDMI xbox 360. I us GAME MODE when playing
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How should the setting be on my HDMI xbox 360. I us GAME MODE when playing

For this TV it has been shown to be best viewed under YCbCr709 HDMI colorspace setting under the 360 settings. Also (don't matter since YCC disables TV black level) put the reference level at standard instead of expanded. Of course put the resolution at 1080p not the other optimal setting crap.

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I would love to know how to set white balance. I have just the dve hd calibration disc. how and can i use just the disc to set white balance? i am new to this stuff so please go easy on me. my feelings hurt real easy. lol
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From what I've heard it is. I just don't know if I should do a downgrade.

I downgraded mine 46 Inch A650 to the 2007.0 from the factory 2008.9; works great and I would say the picture is better; never use AMP though so I would not know about that.
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I was on SAMSUNG web site and saw that 2007.0 version is up for download. How can I download my 2008.9 in case 2007 dose not work.
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KakiColor_A650_PS3_HDMI_CIE2000_REC709_YCC_ver100406_Revision1

(Samsung A650 is still going strong)

*HDTV REC709 Standard
*Max White @ 48.852ftl = 167.367cd/m2 (This value is measured with "Backlight @ 0", with "Energy Saving @ High", with "Contrast @ 100", with "Brightness @ 47", with "White Balance setting")
-The Max White value above is near the max recommended 50ftl = 172cd/m2 luminance for white
-For pitch black room is 30ftl~35ftl = 103cd/m2~120cd/m2
*ANSI Contrast Ratio >2000:1
*Gamma Tracking -> 2.23
*White Balance -> D65
*For All Usage
*Hi-Definition Reference Disc -> Passed

Note: Everything above is the result of the below calibration setting

Input:
Source = HDMI3
Edit Name = Blu-Ray

Movie Mode:
Backlight = 0 (Don't Touch)
Contrast = 100 (Don't Touch)
Brightness = 47 (Don't Touch)
Sharpness = 2 (Don't Touch)
Color = 50 (Don't Touch)
Tint = G53/R47 (Don't Touch)

DETAILED SETTINGS

[For Static] KakiColor Faith Mode - Static
-Black Adjust = Off (Don't Touch)
-Dynamic Contrast = Off (Don't Touch)
-Gamma = "0" (Don't Touch)
-Energy Saving = Off (Don't Touch)
-Backlight = User Preference (Don't Touch)

[For Static Pop] KakiColor Enhanced Mode - Static
-Black Adjust = Off (Don't Touch)
-Dynamic Contrast = Off (Don't Touch)
-Gamma = "-3" (Don't Touch)
-Energy Saving = Off (Don't Touch)
-Backlight = 5 (Don't Touch)
(Note: Tweaked for brighter backlight usage at the same ratio as calibrated static, so it will look similar to the original setting except brighter.)
(PS: This is pretty much for the people who hate Dynamic but want more POP.)

[For Dynamic Pop] KakiColor Enhanced Mode - Dynamic
-Black Adjust = Low (Don't Touch)
-Dynamic Contrast = High (Don't Touch)
-Gamma = "+2" (Don't Touch)
-Energy Saving = Auto (Don't Touch)
-Backlight = User Preference (Don't Touch)

Color Space = Custom (Don't Touch)
Red
R = 50
G = 0
B =0
Green
R = 21
G = 58
B = 0
Blue
R = 11
G = 0
B = 58
Yellow
R = 52
G = 55
B = 0
Cyan
R = 20
G = 53
B = 50
Magenta
R = 47
G = 0
B = 59

Flesh Tone = 0 (Don't Touch)
Edge Enhancement = On (Don't Touch)
xvYCC = Off (Don't Touch)

WHITE BALANCE (Don't Touch)
R-Offset = 25
G-Offset = 25
B-Offset = 28
R-Gain = 21
G-Gain = 25
B-Gain = 20

PICTURE OPTIONS
Color Tone = Warm1 (Don't Touch)
Aspect Ratio = Just Scan (Don't Touch)
Digital N/R = Auto (Don't Touch - For cleaning Sharpness and Edge Enhacement "noise & aritifact")
HDMI Black Level = Low (Don't Touch)
AutoMotionPlus/Movie Plus = High (Optional)

Energy Saving = High (Don't Touch)
Entertainment modes = Off (Don't Touch)

+PS3 RGB Range to "Limited (16~235)" (Don't Touch)
+PS3 Super-White to "On" (Don't Touch - Allows BtB and WtW)
+BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) "YCC" (Don't Touch)

A650 Speaker Tweak:
100Hz : +5
300Hz : -3
1KHz : -2
3KHz : 2
10KHz : 3

KakiC●l○r® Calibration w/ Calman

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Current Setup:

*LG 55" LH95/LHX

-Semi-Gloss Coating

-Direct Backlit SlimLED w/ Local Dimming

-3360 LEDs w/ 240 Zones

*LG 42" LM7600

-Gloss Coating

-Edge-lit LED w/ Local Dimming

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new settings from Kaki for the PS3? awesome!.. backlight at 0 and energy save on high seems a bit strange though, wont it be very dim and dark?
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new settings from Kaki for the PS3? awesome!.. backlight at 0 and energy save on high seems a bit strange though, wont it be very dim and dark?

Contrast is at 100
and when backlight is at "0" with Energy saving at High is actually brighter than Off and Auto.

Max White value is high enough since the recommended range is from 30ftl ~ 50ftl.

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