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post #31 of 3905 Old 03-26-2008, 02:56 AM
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Ok, after using the THX optimizer on the T2 Blu-ray, which was only useful for setting the color aspect of the set. Using the blue-filter built into the set, it seems that the color is at its best when it is set to 50. Seems what I had read about the contrast and brightness feature on the blu-ray was right, it doesn't work properly on the blu-ray and is useless.

So, here are my new settings.

Mode: Standard

Backlight: 8
Contrast: 73
Brightness: 46
sharpness: 0
color: 50
tint: G50/r50

Detailed settings

Black adjust: off (this seems to cause black crush)
Dynamic Contrast: low
Gamma: -1
Color Space:Native (I didn't mess with this.)
White balance: (I didn't mess with this.)
Flesh Tone: 0
Edge enhancement: off

Picture Options

Color tone: Cool1
Size:16:9
Digital NR: off
HDMI Black level: Normal (greyed out)
Amp 120hz: Low
Set up
Energy Saving : Auto


See if you like these a little better, Wolfsburg.
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I love to see some picture from this sweet tv in action



Ehh? Im not the best at taking pictures of the screen... better than nothing aye..
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Leftover I tried your second settings. I'll try the new settings as soon as I get home. Do you use these settings for tv as well as bluray? Ill post results. Thanks in advance!

Anyone have any ps3 settings? I really dont like how the Entertainment, Game mode really looks. alot of the whites are almost blooming it looks like to me. What does the entertainment mode turn on or off that makes it the "Game" mode?
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Well here it goes. I just got my LN52A650. I used the settings that leftoverchinnese has posted, and they look o.k but not as good as i had expected. Had the Tv reset once in the first 20 min but nothing since. I have my ps3 hooked up to my new set and just set it to 1080p from 1080i, Had a 60xbr1 that took a crap on me, When I started my ps3 up things looked kind of blurry and very very bright. Words in the xmb looked the worst. I have the tv set up on Entertainment mode, Game. And that seems just way to bright, you can not adjust any of the settings under Entertainment mode. Does anyone else have a ps3 hooked up and what settings are you using? Maybe its just all the time i spent with the xbr1 rear projection, now going to a LCD will take some getting used to. I dont know. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated

On the PS3, try turning RGB to Limited (not full range) and Superwhite to off.
Also in the menu that lets you choose RGB or Yb.... turn that to Auto. Not sure it this will help, but give it a try.

Edit: also, if your tv settings seem too bright, try adjusting the backlight down. Don't turn the brightness up too high (past 50) or you will start to get a haze on the screen.

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The only source that I have for my TV right now is my PS3, so that may have something to do with it. I am still waiting on my room mate to get the cable guy out here so that I can hook an HD-DVR to the thing.

So, we shall see. Let me check out what the display settings are for my PS3, that may make a difference.

Also, what settings do you have your camera set to in order to take such great pics of the TV in action? I have always struggled with that with this little point and shoot that I have.
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I just tried your settings Leftover, it seems way too bright IMO, makes the colors seem washed out. I think your contrast is too low and backlight is too high.
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Is anybody here using Avia,GetGray's calibration DVD home theater, or video essentials to tweek these sets with? I would be interested to see the recommended settings from those.
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I just tried your settings Leftover, it seems way too bright IMO, makes the colors seem washed out. I think your contrast is too low and backlight is too high.

Agreed. The picture has an overall "too white" or "too bright" feel to it...for me anyway. I know we all have different tastes and see colors and images a bit differently.

One question - what setting(s) do I need to tinker with in order to get a "black" screen when there is no picture being output to the set, but the set is on? Right now with my settings, you can tell the tv is on because the screen is not real black...if that makes sense. It's not clouding or anything, I think I just need to adjust one of the settings...is it backlight? Contrast?

Thanks!

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This thread seems to be ignored for the most part. Should the questions be combined with the current owner's thread? Just seems like evry little activity here and a lot of owners commenting in other thread.

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One question - what setting(s) do I need to tinker with in order to get a "black" screen when there is no picture being output to the set, but the set is on? Right now with my settings, you can tell the tv is on because the screen is not real black...if that makes sense. It's not clouding or anything, I think I just need to adjust one of the settings...is it backlight? Contrast?

Thanks!

Chris

You neeed to adjust the brightness setting to adjust the black levels

I got the following setting from doing a quick calibration with the avia disc. Missing my blu-ray player at the moment so these are just done with my Xbox 360.

Mode Standard

Backlight: 3
Contrast: 95
Brightness: 27
Sharpness: 24 (Although this doesn't seem to do much on this TV)
Color: 49 (Used all three color filters to achieve this setting)
Tint (G/R): G49/R51 (Used all three color filters to achieve this setting)


Detailed Settings

Black Adjust: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Gamma: 0
Color Space: Native
Flesh Tone: 0
Edge Enhancement: Off


Picture Options

Color Tone: Normal
Digital NR: Off
Blue Only Mode: Off

These are only preliminary settings until I have everything hooked up properly again. When I get my Blu-ray player back from repair I will do a more in depth calibration.
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Ok, I think I nailed down what the sports settings are. There seems to be a very slight difference between these settings and sports, but it is EXTREMELY subtle. In fact, I think you would be hard pressed to know the difference if there were two TV's side by side with these settings and sports, so this will be my starting point.

Here is my interpretation of the sports entertainment settings


Ok, wish me luck guys... I'll let you know what I change and keep you updated. I rather like my old settings with the brightness at 47, so I may return to those.

I have to say your settings looks awesome.let us know if you do some more changes.
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My Korean friend helped me to translate the setting from the review
TV Movie 1080/24p
Back light 5 5 3
Contrast 92 92 92
Brightness 45 44 44
Sharpness 17 17 17
Color 50 53 50
Tint 60/40 55/45 51/49
BlackAdj off off off
DynContr off off off
gamma 0 -1 -1
ColorSpace Auto A A
Whitebalance N/A B B
FleshTone -5 -6 0
EdgeEnh off off off
ColorTone cool warm2 warm2
ScreenSize JustScan
DigitalNoise off off off
FilmMode auto auto auto
AutoMotionP low low low/off

Table B
Roffset Goffset Boffset Rgain Ggain Bgain
25 27 26 23 28 24
Table A
Red Green blue Yellow Cyan Magnenta
Red 50 42 0 48 36 41
Green 0 50 12 52 50 11
Blue 5 0 5 0 50 60
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I just tried your settings Leftover, it seems way too bright IMO, makes the colors seem washed out. I think your contrast is too low and backlight is too high.

Sorry you didn't care for the settings. My goal was to get a less bright recreation of the sports settings with minimal black crush and I feel I have achieved that. I'll do some more testing, but I'm certain my settings will probably remain too bright for some peoples likings.

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I have to say your settings looks awesome.let us know if you do some more changes.

I'll be happy to let you know if and when I come up with something else. Which one of the settings that I posted did you end up going with?
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Have any of you been able to change to the warm settings? It seems to always be greyed out for me.
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My Korean friend helped me to translate the setting from the review
TV Movie 1080/24p
Back light 5 5 3
Contrast 92 92 92
Brightness 45 44 44
Sharpness 17 17 17
Color 50 53 50
Tint 60/40 55/45 51/49
BlackAdj off off off
DynContr off off off
gamma 0 -1 -1
ColorSpace Auto A A
Whitebalance N/A B B
FleshTone -5 -6 0
EdgeEnh off off off
ColorTone cool warm2 warm2
ScreenSize JustScan
DigitalNoise off off off
FilmMode auto auto auto
AutoMotionP low low low/off

Table B
Roffset Goffset Boffset Rgain Ggain Bgain
25 27 26 23 28 24
Table A
Red Green blue Yellow Cyan Magnenta
Red 50 42 0 48 36 41
Green 0 50 12 52 50 11
Blue 5 0 5 0 50 60

guys, please give the credit to the reviewer, his name is Mr. Jong shik Lee. I was the one who mentioned the review and a link , but didnt post his specific calibration settings, because i didnt get his permission to do so.
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My Korean friend helped me to translate the setting from the review
TV Movie 1080/24p
Back light 5 5 3
Contrast 92 92 92
Brightness 45 44 44
Sharpness 17 17 17
Color 50 53 50
Tint 60/40 55/45 51/49
BlackAdj off off off
DynContr off off off
gamma 0 -1 -1
ColorSpace Auto A A
Whitebalance N/A B B
FleshTone -5 -6 0
EdgeEnh off off off
ColorTone cool warm2 warm2
ScreenSize JustScan
DigitalNoise off off off
FilmMode auto auto auto
AutoMotionP low low low/off

Table B
Roffset Goffset Boffset Rgain Ggain Bgain
25 27 26 23 28 24
Table A
Red Green blue Yellow Cyan Magnenta
Red 50 42 0 48 36 41
Green 0 50 12 52 50 11
Blue 5 0 5 0 50 60



Are you certain this isn't supposed to be 50? Seems like a massive adjustment there. I tried the settings and they look alright. I'll have to run them through some little tests later to see what I think of them. I don't really have the time right now. It looks like it has a bit of a green push to it.
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Wow, thanks mikesj! And to your friend for translating and of course the original reviewer of the set. I am very happy with those settings so far.
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My settings (for now), Basically the same as they were on my 71.

Mode Standard:

Backlight 5
contrast 85
brightness 49
sharpness 25 (i dont think sharpness has much, if any impact on lcd HDTV's)
color 50
Tint (G/R) G50/R50

Detailed settings:

Black adjust low
Dynamic contrast low
Gamma -1
Color space Native (which is actually Wide color space)
White balance untouched
Flesh tone 0
Edge Enhancement On
xvYCC greyed out

Picture options:

Color tone normal
Size Just Scan
Digital NR off
DNle greyed out
HDMI Black level greyed out
Film mode off
Blue mode off
Auto Motion Plus off (or whatever)

Energy saving off
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My settings (for now), Basically the same as they were on my 71.

Mode Standard:

Backlight 5
contrast 85
brightness 49
sharpness 25 (i dont think sharpness has much, if any impact on lcd HDTV's)
color 50
Tint (G/R) G50/R50

Detailed settings:

Black adjust low
Dynamic contrast low
Gamma -1
Color space Native (which is actually Wide color space)
White balance untouched
Flesh tone 0
Edge Enhancement On (just turned this off)
xvYCC greyed out

Picture options:

Color tone normal
Size Just Scan
Digital NR off
DNle greyed out
HDMI Black level greyed out
Film mode off
Blue mode off
Auto Motion Plus off (or whatever)

Energy saving off

I just turned off edge enhancement, and it seems the blur has been reduced by doing so. Why and how i do not know.
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I just turned off edge enhancement, and it seems i the blur has been reduced by doing so. Why and how i do not know.


I am one to believe the less processes you run the picture through the better or more natural the picture is going to look.

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I hope this thread gets some life soon. We all need to figure out if we can unlock some more potential this tv may have.
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I hope this thread gets some life soon. We all need to figure out if we can unlock some more potential this tv may have.

Unfortunaetly I have 0 calibration skills. What we need is someone to start messing with a custom color space as we all seem to be working without touching those settings. Have you tried the Korean settings listed above? I haven't yet as I got my TV setup late last night and I'm at work today.

Looking forward to trying some of everyones settings.

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Unfortunaetly I have 0 calibration skills. What we need is someone to start messing with a custom color space as we all seem to be working without touching those settings. Have you tried the Korean settings listed above? I haven't yet as I got my TV setup late last night and I'm at work today.

Looking forward to trying some of everyones settings.

Mosh~~

No i havent tried the korean settings yet either. I dont know much about messing with the custom color space, even the white balance stuff i tend to leave alone since i am no good at that. But the setting it have now look very good (to me anyways). I will end up trying the korean settings, and i am sure a whole bunch more eventually.
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Are you all aware of the display calibration forum? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=139

Anyone have a calibration dvd?
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Are you all aware of the display calibration forum? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=139

Anyone have a calibration dvd?

My brother in law just got a new calibration dvd, specifically for HDMI inputs. I need to try and get him to come on over with it so he can show me how to use it and help me out with my set.
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My brother in law just got a new calibration dvd, specifically for HDMI inputs. I need to try and get him to come on over with it so he can show me how to use it and help me out with my set.

Will you post your settings once you have used the dvd? It would be great if a couple of people would post their professionally(dvd) calibrated settings here.
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Will you post your settings once you have used the dvd? It would be great if a couple of people would post their professionally(dvd) calibrated settings here.

Yeah as soon as i do it i will, not sure when that will be tho.
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Hi, I'm the guy who wrote those Korean reviews.
I'll specify things not clear in English about my settings.

The settings '1080/24p' were the final calbration.
I ISFed A650 with Accupell HDG4000 and HDG3000 signal generators and checked the final results with Digital Video Essential HD-DVD(Thoshiba A-35), and Bluray(Samsung BD-P1200, BD-P1400, PS3).
Measuring instruments were Photo Research PR650 and Monolta LS100 with ColorFacts 7 software.
You may opt for gamma 0 under brighter ambience light, or gamma -1 for darker vewing condition.
One thing to remember is, CMS and Gray scale settings vary set to set, panel to panel.
Quality diffendences are quite huge more than you'll ever imagine.
Even same TV models use different panel from everywhere, say Korean panels, Taiwanese imports, or from China, etc.
Sometimes from Japanese panel makers like Sharp.
Thant's why calibrators insist every set has to be calibrated individually.(in Korea no ISFing anyway. and I just ingratiated Korean readers with opening the settings)
So A650's default Movie mode is pretty good in watching Blurays and DVDs.

But watching Korean breadcasts are different story.

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Are you certain this isn't supposed to be 50? Seems like a massive adjustment there. I tried the settings and they look alright. I'll have to run them through some little tests later to see what I think of them. I don't really have the time right now. It looks like it has a bit of a green push to it.

Soap operas in Korean broadcasting, for example, too much red push in flesh tone.
Even though Korean broadcasting companies abide by D65, producers of outside soap opera providers doesn't.
Sometimes they follow Japanese 9300K rules and resulted too much red to compensate high color temperature.
That's why I adjusted tint and flesh tone oppsite way.

And Leftoverchinese, you've read right.
That's 5, not 50. If you see the CIE diagrams in my review, I had to move a lot due to adjustment varied in small step.

Google's translation really sucks, by the way
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Hi, I'm the guy who wrote those Korean reviews.
I'll specify things not clear in English about my settings.


Wow very cool if true.

Can you clarify a few more things. You mentioned something about a firmware upgrade from Samsung, what did it do exactly. Also how would you compare the black levels & contrast of the A650 compared to any of the recent sets you tested?
A lot of people are saying the previous Samsung 71f LCD had better looking contrast & black levels were just as good, would you agree?
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Why are some setting not available to change? Is it because I am using HDMI? Can't select some settings like Warm2 and some settings are grayed out all together. Why is this?

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