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post #631 of 2871 Old 06-11-2008, 06:55 PM
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Yes I bought mine for $2099 at Fry's on 5/30. It's a 46W4100, and I love it!
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I'm still having second thoughts over purchasing it, due to all the flaws cnet talked about:

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  • Black level fluctuates in dark areas
  • less accurate color decoding
  • below-average viewing angle
  • cumbersome menu system
  • ...its picture quality falls short of the top tier

480i 2:3 pull-down, 24 fps N

Poor
1080i video resolution Pass Good
1080i film resolution Fail Poor "


All of this was mentioned in the review
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I'm still having second thoughts over purchasing it, due to all the flaws cnet talked about:

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  • Black level fluctuates in dark areas
  • less accurate color decoding
  • below-average viewing angle
  • cumbersome menu system
  • ...its picture quality falls short of the top tier

480i 2:3 pull-down, 24 fps N

Poor
1080i video resolution Pass Good
1080i film resolution Fail Poor "


All of this was mentioned in the review
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the user reviews are more valuable than the -discussed reliability- cnet reviews.I personally trust more what actual owners say than a review which we dont know if it is reliable or not
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The footprint of the pedestal for the 52W4100 is 20 1/2" wide and 14" deep
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the user reviews are more valuable than the -discussed reliability- cnet reviews.I personally trust more what actual owners say than a review which we dont know if it is reliable or not

I totally agree - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have had mine for 2 weeks now - not one complaint. I might not be as picky as others, but for as much as I have stared at it...not one issue.
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the user reviews are more valuable than the -discussed reliability- cnet reviews.I personally trust more what actual owners say than a review which we dont know if it is reliable or not

I don't really trust anyone's reviews accept my own. cnet can certainly be influenced by companies which could effect their reviews. Owners on the other hand have invested their money in the set which can easily effect their opinion. Everyone wants to feel like they've made a good decision and will sometimes overlook flaws. On top of that, especially in regards to internet forums, what credibility does any anonymous poster possess that lends value to their words. We have no idea of the background or experience a poster may have. In the end, it's fun to read reviews in magazine's, pro websites, and forums, but they mean very little until I can put my eyes on the set in question. I'm sure this is true of a lot of folks here.
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yeah I agree with you magazines,reviews on the net are just something sometimes interesting but not so much to affect a buy
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I don't really trust anyone's reviews accept my own. cnet can certainly be influenced by companies which could effect their reviews. Owners on the other hand have invested their money in the set which can easily effect their opinion. Everyone wants to feel like they've made a good decision and will sometimes overlook flaws. On top of that, especially in regards to internet forums, what credibility does any anonymous poster possess that lends value to their words. We have no idea of the background or experience a poster may have. In the end, it's fun to read reviews in magazine's, pro websites, and forums, but they mean very little until I can put my eyes on the set in question. I'm sure this is true of a lot of folks here.

So why are you here if you are going to discount everything others say? I think that once you have several people saying the same thing then there is probably some strong validity to their observations. On the other hand even one observation by someone else can raise a hope or a red flag for me.
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The manual speaks nothing of a "learning" remote control. I assume it is not learning then?
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I'm still having second thoughts over purchasing it, due to all the flaws cnet talked about:

"
  • Black level fluctuates in dark areas
  • less accurate color decoding
  • below-average viewing angle
  • cumbersome menu system
  • ...its picture quality falls short of the top tier

480i 2:3 pull-down, 24 fps N

Poor
1080i video resolution Pass Good
1080i film resolution Fail Poor "


All of this was mentioned in the review

Personally, I am stunned at how much credibility some of you guys give to CNet. I thought it was common knowledge that CNet's reviews are "questionable" at best.

Their ratings are more affected by the depth of their advertiser's pockets than by the quality of the actual hardware they review.

I'd have to agree with Jazzbass. I trust only my own review. I do however read these forums to educate myself. Knowing what to look for when reviewing a TV set is pretty important to me. Like that I'll know if the sales rep. is telling me bs or not.

Reading this forum has also educated me a lot about the sales tactics of the shops. It's amazing how some shops try to push certain sets/brands by feeding them with better quality video, or by placing them in a darker corner to make them look brighter.

...my 0.02
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So why are you here if you are going to discount everything others say? I think that once you have several people saying the same thing then there is probably some strong validity to their observations. On the other hand even one observation by someone else can raise a hope or a red flag for me.

I'm here for the very reason I listed in my post that you quoted: it's fun. I do find it useful to hear about defects and such, but when PQ becomes the subject, that means very little. That's too subjective whereas flaws and other issues are a little more concrete.
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Anyone with a W know how to enable 'pc' mode for 1080p HDMI inputs from a PC?

Just to get rid of all signal processing and such...

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Can someone answer these following questions:
1.)Is it a good idea to purchase this HDTV even after CNET gave it a 7.3?
2.)What is a great website to purchase this TV as well as others(great prices especially)?
3.)If you have a local Fry's Electronics in your area answer this question as well...do they in fact sell kdl-46W4100s for $2100?


This is truly the best site to discuss HDTV's. It's active and informative =D.


The cheapest I've been able to find the 46W4100 for is $1836.99 I want to order it right away, but the wife wants to wait until the end of the month (she's paying for it though)
if you want to find the lowest prices check some comparason sites like Pricegrabber or similar sites.
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The manual speaks nothing of a "learning" remote control. I assume it is not learning then?

Correct - I haven't seen a way in the manual or on the remote to program it.
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If you have your paper rebate check from the governement Sears will give you a gift cards plus an extra 10 percent. Not a bad deal. Its on the Sears web site. I wish they would get the Z4100 so I could compare to the w4100.
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Hi everyone! First post here so go easy. I purchased a 40w4100 today at Brandsmart in Atlanta for $1200!!

I like many others here was torn between the sammy a 650 and the w4100. Each set has its pros and cons but it came down to price today. I honestly think the sammy is a little better color wise, but the sony has better processing that shows thru in certain situations. So it came down to the $300+ difference in price that sealed the deal.

So far I love it. It is a little thicker than my last panel so it sticks off the wall a little further, but thats ok. Setup was a breeze... the new menu is easy to navigate and the remote is nice and simple, not fussy and gimmicky like the a650. Picture is solid so far but I haven't really gotten test it out yet. I will report back once I get a couple of days to view it.

So does anyone have the settings dialed in yet?

Thanks in advance
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pyke404,

I'd recommend you swift through this thread and brush up on the sparkle issues. I'm willing to bet $10 your set has sparkles. It's up to you whether or not this is a deal breaker for you. Definitely check it out within 5 days as thats the return policy at Brandsmart (at least down here in South Florida).
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time to plug my thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1039231

for me the sparkles is a non issue since I don't go looking for them and they really don't bother me. I also use a high quality HDMI cable which minimizes them. Haven't seen a single sparkle in two days of watching tv, movies and gaming.
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diabolyte,

The monoprice cables are gold plated. Do you really think Philips uses different cables? I highly doubt it.
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pyke404,

I'd recommend you swift through this thread and brush up on the sparkle issues. I'm willing to bet $10 your set has sparkles. It's up to you whether or not this is a deal breaker for you. Definitely check it out within 5 days as thats the return policy at Brandsmart (at least down here in South Florida).

Just let him enjoy the television...
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Soap,

Nah.. my advice is sage in this regard. Brandsmart has very crappy return policies. If you don't have a Brandsmart (which I doubt TX does) you wouldn't understand.
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Thanks for the advice guys, but I think I will be fine with "sparkles" that have yet to appear. In my view the "sparkles" are less distracting than the red trim on the ToC.
I have been lurking and researching the past couple of months on AVS and was aware of the potential flaws of both the A650 and the W4100 when I went to check them out in person today. I wasn't really ready to buy today, but when they quoted another customer $1200($400 off their sticker) on an Internet match neither of us couldn't get our wallets out fast enough! I'm not a fan of Brandsmart either, btw.
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Thanks for the advice guys, but I think I will be fine with "sparkles" that have yet to appear. In my view the "sparkles" are less distracting than the red trim on the ToC.

HAHA I couldn't agree more, that ToC red trim made me not even consider it.
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time to plug my thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1039231

for me the sparkles is a non issue since I don't go looking for them and they really don't bother me. I also use a high quality HDMI cable which minimizes them. Haven't seen a single sparkle in two days of watching tv, movies and gaming.

great comparison on the w4100 & a650. Also I agree with you on the sparkle issue 100%. I know I have sparkles, but I don't notice them when watching tv or playing games.
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That red trim isn't even noticeable on my wall... it just looks like a solid black frame.
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That red trim isn't even noticeable on my wall... it just looks like a solid black frame.

If you can't notice the red trim on your tv, I don't know how you could complain about anything else as your eyesight isn't 20/20...
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no sparks on my set, so i guess thats a good thing
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none on mine also. saw a few here and there initally but after settling in it has never returned since.
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Finally looked closely while browsing through the PS3 XMB and saw the sparkles. They're actually pretty tiny though and you have to really pay attention to not blink.
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