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post #391 of 1433 Old 07-11-2008, 09:19 PM
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I'm not sure if I wanted to go into the SM since it voids the warranty. Right now I'm sticking with zerog6's adjusting from the UM. Also, it was also said that the differences are not that noticeable. Can someone please confirm?

And thanks in advance for the pics

Confirmed, the differences between using the SM and UM are pretty much negligible. I just did it in the SM because i'm OCD, lol
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EVil4Blue 1st
zerog6 2nd (1st settings)
cNet 3rd
zerog6 4th (final settings)





Just to note, for these last two sets, the original 1st 3 pics came out with too much black crush by the camera. Like you could see the outer outline of the guys ear in all of them originally, but not his cheek. Even without that, zero6 latest settings still have absolutely the best shadow detail of them all.



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Alright, I think I'm finally done. I've tried for quite a while, but it's not going to get any better than what I've done now from my experience.

The grayscale was already as good as it can get, so that was pretty much unchanged. The same goes for the contrast ratio.

I was able to get better color accuracy in the end. Previously I had good dE values for the colors, but the x/y values were further off than what I wanted. I found that by raising the general color setting even more and then compensating by lowering the intensity of each color in the color space menu, I was able to get better accuracy in the x/y values. Which in turn gave me even better dE values. Green though is still a color that's simply under saturated, there's nothing you can do about it. None the less, it's still pretty close to being where it needs to be. And if you look at the file, you can see that every other color if pretty much perfect.

I'm very happy with everything now. So I think this was my last calibration for a while. Special thanks to ra004e for letting me borrow his eye-one sensor so I can do the calibrations and post the results, it's very much appreciated.

For those who want the white balance settings for the user menu. They really haven't changed much at all from my previous Warm-1 settings. So you'll be fine using the previous White Balance settings I posted combined with the rest of these settings I have now. I'll post them together below so you won't have to keep searching for them.

The ColorHFCR file is attached

Here they are:

FW:1007

Movie Mode: Warm-1

Contrast Ratio: 3,110:1

White Balance
If adjusting through User Menu
Offset
R: 28
G: 25
B: 21
Gain
R: 25
G: 25
B: 29

If adjusting through Service Menu - "WB Movie" Settings
R_Gain = 52
B_Gain = -89
R_Offset = 0
B_Offset = 8
Gamma = M2

(SM-WB Movie/User Menu) Picture Settings
Backlight = 3
Contrast = 100
Brightness = 43
Color = 50
Sharpness = 10
Tint = 50/50
Gamma = 0 , If you already adjusted Gamma through the Service Menu (Expert Settings)
Gamma = -1, If adjusting Gamma through User Menu only

Color Space
Red
R = 30
G = 0
B = 1
Green
R = 26
G = 46
B = 0
Blue
R = 9
G = 0
B = 41
Cyan
R = 30
G = 47
B = 56
Magenta
R = 38
G = 0
B = 58
Yellow
R = 60
G = 48
B = 0

is this just for movie mode?

edit...already answered above sorry...

new question

which one is better doing it through the user menu or service menu??? is it worth messing up my warranty??

i kept amp on medium...i found it to be the happy medium with high making me dizzy
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is this just for movie mode?

edit...already answered above sorry...

new question

which one is better doing it through the user menu or service menu??? is it worth messing up my warranty??

i kept amp on medium...i found it to be the happy medium with high making me dizzy

Thats also answered above, lol

In short, no its not really worth it.
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where is the contrast ratio option i can't find that on the menu
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the color looks fantastic with zerog's settings i did put dynamic contrast on medium but i still can't find the contrast ratio option

this tv made me skip going out on a saturday night...saves me some money
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where is the contrast ratio option i can't find that on the menu

Well, that would be "contrast" on the same screen as your picture settings, right below the backlight setting.

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Well, that would be "contrast" on the same screen as your picture settings, right below the backlight setting.

not that one...the one in zerog's settings where it has 3 numbers right by the fw and movie warm 1 settings

it goes like this contrast ratio 3,110,some other number i can't find that one on my menu
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not that one...the one in zerog's settings where it has 3 numbers right by the fw and movie warm 1 settings

it goes like this contrast ratio 3,110,some other number i can't find that one on my menu

That's with a program he used on his Computer.
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The contrast ratio isn't a setting, It's just a measurement you get from doing a calibration that tells you the ratio difference between black and white
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I did the 1008.2 firware update, and applied the latest zerog6 settings, and I'm pretty happy. I also set the Energy Saver on Auto and have not see much detriment from it, but I also have no idea if it is actually saving any energy either so

I haven't felt the need to tweak it yet, and I'll probably be patient for when BR player prices drop a bit and try to get one and a colorimeter at the same time and just go nuts.
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i'm pretty happy with zerog's settings can a professional calibration get much better? i mean the colors really pop out in zerog's settings

and do you guys put on film mode...i find that it makes my movies blurry and i prefer it off
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i'm pretty happy with zerog's settings can a professional calibration get much better? i mean the colors really pop out in zerog's settings

and do you guys put on film mode...i find that it makes my movies blurry and i prefer it off

I see no blur with Film Mode on.

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I did the 1008.2 firware update, and applied the latest zerog6 settings, and I'm pretty happy. I also set the Energy Saver on Auto and have not see much detriment from it, but I also have no idea if it is actually saving any energy either so

I haven't felt the need to tweak it yet, and I'll probably be patient for when BR player prices drop a bit and try to get one and a colorimeter at the same time and just go nuts.

Yeah, I don't know how much energy it actually saves. Right now I put the backlight at either 5 or 6 during the day and 3 at night. It would be nice if the backlight could do that automatically with the Energy Saver Auto mode, which is what it is supposed to do. Hopefully it is working correctly now with the new update.

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What hdmi black level are you guys using? zerog6 what did you use for your final settings?
I am using at&t uverse.
Help
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I see no blur with Film Mode on.

the only thing film mode does is change the aspect ratio correct? what exactly does it do?
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the only thing film mode does is change the aspect ratio correct? what exactly does it do?

We are still trying to figure out all the things that film mode does, but since it is used with interlaced signals, the guess is that it has to do with deinterlacing and pulldown/pullup. Basically, if it does its job correctly, you wont have "jaggies", because the picture is being de-interlaced correctly. It had issues with the 71 series, so people just left it off, but it seems to work good with the 750.

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Movie Mode: Warm-1

White Balance
If adjusting through User Menu
Offset
R: 28
G: 25
B: 21
Gain
R: 25
G: 25
B: 29

(SM-WB Movie/User Menu) Picture Settings
Backlight = 3
Contrast = 100
Brightness = 43
Color = 50
Sharpness = 10
Tint = 50/50
Gamma = -1, If adjusting Gamma through User Menu only

Color Space
Red
R = 30
G = 0
B = 1
Green
R = 26
G = 46
B = 0
Blue
R = 9
G = 0
B = 41
Cyan
R = 30
G = 47
B = 56
Magenta
R = 38
G = 0
B = 58
Yellow
R = 60
G = 48
B = 0

Yup, I'm sold on these for my A650, exactly as is. (Thanks for the heads up, cr0t3x).
I'm also using HDMI Black Level: Low, and DNR: Auto.
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2. Yes, I use the same Movie settings for all my content. The thing is, I only have 2 source, Blu-Ray, and Directv HD. And pretty much all the channels I watch are in HD also. I don't have a game system hooked up to the TV so I can't comment on that.

Looks beautiful with OTA TV and PS3 games also.
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What hdmi black level are you guys using? zerog6 what did you use for your final settings?
I am using at&t uverse.
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depends on the range ur device is putting out...

for example... i have my 360 set to expanded and my ps3 set to normal RGB... so i have my tv set to normal for both of those...

if i had my ps3 set ot limited or my 360 set to standard i would have my tv set to low...

if u you have the wrong setting set, you will have black crush or poor black levels...

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I have followed this thread for a while now... I have tried ZEROG6's settings on page 11 with impressive results. I had a professional ISF calibration done yesterday, and I couldn't be happier with the results. The picture is absolutely fantastic. First the equipment that was used and the preparation that had to be done.

Equipment used : Photo Research PR-655 Spectroradiometer, Accupel HDG-4000 signal generator, and DVE Bluray.

Preparation : The room had to be as dark as possible ... this is to get the proper light output measurements ... plus it is recommended for critical viewing. Black tarps were put on all windows, since the calibration was done during the day.

Results : I believe it is very important to note that the ISF calibrator did NO adjustments in the service menu .. it is NOT required on the LN52A750. I have had this calibrator do other sets of mine in the past, and he has had to go into the service menu very very extensively, but it is NOT required on the LN52A750. As you will see he used warm-2 ... warm-2 was closer to D65, and a better starting point than warm-1 when setting grey scale. EVERTHING starts from having a linear as possible D6500 grey scale. Changing backlight from 3 to 5 doesn't affect grey scale at all.... don't use anything higher or lower than that range. I use 3 at night and 5 during the day.

Settings :

FW:1008.2

Movie Mode: Warm-2

Contrast Ratio: n/a

White Balance
User Menu
Offset
R: 24
G: 26
B: 26
Gain
R: 22
G: 24
B: 27

(User Menu) Picture Settings
Backlight = 3
Contrast = 95
Brightness = 43
Color = 48
Sharpness = 20
Tint = 50/50
Gamma = 0, (3 can be used if material calls for it. Don't set to 2-bottom end of IRE scale comes out of black incorrectly.)
Color Space = auto
Black Adjust = off
Dynamic Contrast = off
Flesh Tone = 0
Edge Enhancement = off
xvYCC = off
****Power Saving Feature = Low***
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Yeah, I don't know how much energy it actually saves. Right now I put the backlight at either 5 or 6 during the day and 3 at night. It would be nice if the backlight could do that automatically with the Energy Saver Auto mode, which is what it is supposed to do. Hopefully it is working correctly now with the new update.

With the 1008.2 firmware and zerog6's latest settings on my LN46A750, Energy Saver Auto mode causes power usage to fluctuate from 66 watts to 114 watts.

Turning energy saver mode off left the power usage from 112 to 114 watts all the time.
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I have followed this thread for a while now... I have tried ZEROG6's settings on page 11 with impressive results. I had a professional ISF calibration done yesterday, and I couldn't be happier with the results. The picture is absolutely fantastic. First the equipment that was used and the preparation that had to be done.

Equipment used : Photo Research PR-655 Spectroradiometer, Accupel HDG-4000 signal generator, and DVE Bluray.

Preparation : The room had to be as dark as possible ... this is to get the proper light output measurements ... plus it is recommended for critical viewing. Black tarps were put on all windows, since the calibration was done during the day.

Results : I believe it is very important to note that the ISF calibrator did NO adjustments in the service menu .. it is NOT required on the LN52A750. I have had this calibrator do other sets of mine in the past, and he has had to go into the service menu very very extensively, but it is NOT required on the LN52A750. As you will see he used warm-2 ... warm-2 was closer to D65, and a better starting point than warm-1 when setting grey scale. EVERTHING starts from having a linear as possible D6500 grey scale. Changing backlight from 3 to 5 doesn't affect grey scale at all.... don't use anything higher or lower than that range. I use 3 at night and 5 during the day.

Settings :

FW:1008.2

Movie Mode: Warm-2

Contrast Ratio: n/a

White Balance
User Menu
Offset
R: 24
G: 26
B: 26
Gain
R: 22
G: 24
B: 27

(User Menu) Picture Settings
Backlight = 3
Contrast = 95
Brightness = 43
Color = 48
Sharpness = 20
Tint = 50/50
Gamma = 0, (3 can be used if material calls for it. Don't set to 2-bottom end of IRE scale comes out of black incorrectly.)
Color Space = auto
Black Adjust = off
Dynamic Contrast = off
Flesh Tone = 0
Edge Enhancement = off
xvYCC = off
****Power Saving Feature = Low***

...hmm those settings aren't that far off from the default settings by Samsung.
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yeah .. the setting aren't that far off from default ... However, grey scale is pretty off OTB.. it is too cool from 100IRE to 50IRE, then it gets too warm, then from 40IRE to 20IRE to is cool again. Hence the adjustments in the White Balance section.
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...hmm those settings aren't that far off from the default settings by Samsung.

Which is a testiment to how good the TV is. The most important thing to me in a calibration, is getting as close as possible to SMPTE-C/SMPTE-HD standards as possible.... NOT WHAT LOOKS GOOD TO ME. When you calibrate to SMPTE, you are getting the source (film, TV, etc.) as the director, colorist, or editor intended. The reason is simple..... they all adhere to the SMPTE standard during post production... I know that on my HDTV, if the tonality of the film is very cool ... it is because the director intended for it to look cool.
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what do you guys think of these calibration settings:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/t...-viewing-tests

he said he got the contrast ratio to go 4850:1..im not sure if thats right?
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what do you guys think of these calibration settings:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/t...-viewing-tests

he said he got the contrast ratio to go 4850:1..im not sure if thats right?

They are the measured with the default settings as it said in the review. zerog6 calibrated at the Movie Mode and has higher Contrast Ratio than that.

The RGB three colors graph they were supposed to meet each other in a line. But default setting are off. zerog6's calibrated setting is very accurate.

And the 6500K graph supposed to be a stable line, as you can see with the default they are off as well.

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Actually I will just post up zerog6's calibrated graphs here for people who don't wanna use the ColorHDFR

zerog6's setting results

Luminance Graph


Gamma Graph


CIE Diagram


RGB Levels


Color Temp


Near Black Scale


Near White Scale


Saturation - Luminance


Saturation - Shift

Did you make any tweaks in the service menu or just the user menu?
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Did you make any tweaks in the service menu or just the user menu?

No no, this is zerog6's setting result not mine. Just post it up for people who don't wanna use the ColorHCFR to look at zerog6's Final result.

For me I never touch the service menu, only the user menu.

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