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post #91 of 3520 Old 06-08-2008, 09:48 PM
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Z Owners (i.e. Soap\\TodboT),

A couple of questions if you've had the chance:
  1. Have either of you hooked up a Xbox 360 or PS3? How does gaming look? Any suspceptible blurring?
  2. How does the 24p look with movings? I'm curious how well the 120hz 5:5 pulldown (de-judder) is working.

Thanks!

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We have both already posted pics in this thread.. I guess you missed it??

yea i seen the picture already post! but i wanted to see more picture with more color! like in movie picture!

the picture on here now was more show casing the black! now i want to see the color, see if that 10bit panel and extra features are worth returning my w4100!
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Ok I finally looked up the answer to my own question. Sony made available the dimensions for the 40"Z pedestal, but still nothing on the 46"Z.

For the 40" Z, the pedestal footprint is 16.125" W x 11" D

The 46"Z pedestal is 17.75" wide and the depth in the center is just over 12" and 9.5" on the sides. The front edge is straight and the back edge (behind the TV) is curved.

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Try it without game mode first. Then go into game mode. I've never had to use game mode with my XBR because there isn't any lag with it.

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I finally got around to playing some Rock Band. I played Wave of Mutilation on expert for my tests. I experimented with the preset calibrations for a CRT/LCD TV and game mode on/off. I first thought that CRT calibration with game mode off had bad timings. However, after a couple of tries, it didn't seem so bad. Maybe it was just me getting used to it. Setting the calibration to LCD TV made the biggest difference. It seemed easier to hit high frequency notes. Turning on game mode helped a little bit, but didn't make a huge difference. The game is definitely playable using the LCD calibration with game mode on or off.

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Can those with this set please check for "sparkles" (white dots that flicker every so often) about six inches down from the top bezel when watching anything from an HDMI input? It's most noticeable if you happen to be watching the credits of a movie or something with lots of black, but it can happen anytime. Please don't just quickly say "no, this $2800 set doesn't have this problem." Please, spend some time and watch up close (within a couple feet) and let us know if you notice this issue.

Thank you.

After reading this I did notice a couple of "sparkles" while Rock Band was loading. I just did a little bit of testing. The easiest way for me to reproduce this was to use the PS3 and scroll horizontally through the XMB one icon at a time. I have not yet tried different cables or resolutions. I'll try to do this when I have some free time.
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Yep thats how I noticed it on the w. What did they do to these TVs?
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I have another question for the Z owners.

According to Sony's dimensions cutsheet, with the pedestal attached to the 40" model, there appears to be 5" of space between the bottom of the pedestal and the bottom of the actual picture...is that right? Or is more like 2"? I'm looking to find out how much space is between the bottom of the pedestal the bottom of the screen.

Does anyone know if there is a manufacturer of adjustable height pedestals?
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After reading this I did notice a couple of "sparkles" while Rock Band was loading. I just did a little bit of testing. The easiest way for me to reproduce this was to use the PS3 and scroll horizontally through the XMB one icon at a time. I have not yet tried different cables or resolutions. I'll try to do this when I have some free time.

Was motionflow on or off?

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After reading this I did notice a couple of "sparkles" while Rock Band was loading. I just did a little bit of testing. The easiest way for me to reproduce this was to use the PS3 and scroll horizontally through the XMB one icon at a time. I have not yet tried different cables or resolutions. I'll try to do this when I have some free time.

I do not have this issue on my display with motionflow on or off. What kind of cables do you have?
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ok I brightened up the pic a bit in photoshop and now I can make out the bezel, but wow, the blacks still look impressive and this was in the dark! sony has truly delivered with the Z.

just for comparison here's a pic of my 650 at its best in the dark with cinema settings.


how is that second image of the 650 when your cameras date says 11/4 of 2004!!!
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how is that second image of the 650 when your cameras date says 11/4 of 2004!!!

There weren't Wall*E trailers in 2004 either. Perhaps he hasn't bothered to set the calendar on his camera.
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We have both already posted pics in this thread.. I guess you missed it??

so since you have a 46 Z4100 how does it stack up PQ and black level wise against the Samsung 650??

Also do you think im better off with the 46 inch because im worried about the fan issues with teh 40 inchers like noises and what not??
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so since you have a 46 Z4100 how does it stack up PQ and black level wise against the Samsung 650??

Also do you think im better off with the 46 inch because im worried about the fan issues with teh 40 inchers like noises and what not??

I can't compare against the 650 as I didn't look at them much. That whole Red TOC was a deal breaker for me. As for size that is only a question you can answer. If the Z would have come in a 52 and fit in my cabinet I would have purchased that instead. Are you saying there is a fan in the 40inch Z series? I wasn't aware of fan's in either unit, although I never really considered the smaller 40inch.
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I finally got around to playing some Rock Band. I played Wave of Mutilation on expert for my tests. I experimented with the preset calibrations for a CRT/LCD TV and game mode on/off. I first thought that CRT calibration with game mode off had bad timings. However, after a couple of tries, it didn't seem so bad. Maybe it was just me getting used to it. Setting the calibration to LCD TV made the biggest difference. It seemed easier to hit high frequency notes. Turning on game mode helped a little bit, but didn't make a huge difference. The game is definitely playable using the LCD calibration with game mode on or off.

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have you tried rockband with cinemotion/ motionflow on? is there noticeable stutter?
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There's no 52inch Z right? Only 40 and 46?
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There's no 52inch Z right? Only 40 and 46?

Right
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yea i seen the picture already post! but i wanted to see more picture with more color! like in movie picture!

the picture on here now was more show casing the black! now i want to see the color, see if that 10bit panel and extra features are worth returning my w4100!

do you agree with CNET's review of the W4100 becasue if that got a bad review i wouldnt expect the Z to get any better tho i hear the v4100 is a really good buy for its features and price especially over the 550 sammy
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Soap im not saying theres a fan i know on the 40 XBR4 there is so i wouldnt doubt a fan to be in this one unless its to slim for it...i want the Z have been waiting for god awful months but now people are talkin about this sparkle thing!!! i dunno wut to do i think im just about to get the 40a650/ or 750
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what is this sparkle thing? is this a motionflow artifact?
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There's no 52inch Z right? Only 40 and 46?

Unfortunately.

I'd be all over a 52Z. Now I'm stuck between sacrificing some features/performance by going with the 52W or waiting till fall and paying top dollar for the 52XBR6.

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Are you saying there is a fan in the 40inch Z series? I wasn't aware of fan's in either unit, although I never really considered the smaller 40inch.

It's probably an assumption based on last year's XBR series. There was an (audible, for many) fan in the 40inch XBR4. In the 46" version the fan on my set was completely inaudible from even 5 inches away from the back of the set (or even 1 inch in front of the set). In the 52" there was said to be no fan at all, but rather a heat sink.

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what is this sparkle thing? is this a motionflow artifact?

Typically, the sparklies artifact is caused by marginal hdmi connectivity.
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Yeah, as much as I love the 650, had the Z come in a 52" I may have waited on it. The W doesn't interest me in the least, just not good enough. I wish I understood Sony's thinking on this. I think the XBR6 is going to be over-priced for what you get in typical Sony fashion, though a nice set.
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Uhh, I understand Sony's thinking quite well. It's called "getting the consumer to pay for a higher priced product".
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Uhh, I understand Sony's thinking quite well. It's called "getting the consumer to pay for a higher priced product".

That's what I think, as well.
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exactly, the xbr6 is will have the exact same specs as teh Z, but it is a $500 premium over the Z just for a few cosmetic changes and some useless photo viewer. they don't make a 52" Z because they think they can tempt people into paying for the 52"xbr6
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exactly, the xbr6 is will have the exact same specs as teh Z, but it is a $500 premium over the Z just for a few cosmetic changes and some useless photo viewer. they don't make a 52" Z because they think they can tempt people into paying for the 52"xbr6

Or because having too many variations of the same size t.v. is simply too expensive from a production and inventory standpoint. By this rationale, sony should have no 46" Z either. Or any Z for that matter.

I'm thinking that they decided that there are fewer buyers of 52" sets, so they can have fewer different offerings at that size and still meet minimum production for it to be viable. sony opted to have the 52" in the XBR6 configuration because that way they have one at that size in their "premium" line up.
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so whats up with this *sparkle* thing...should i not purchase the Z because if this
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exactly, the xbr6 is will have the exact same specs as teh Z, but it is a $500 premium over the Z just for a few cosmetic changes and some useless photo viewer. they don't make a 52" Z because they think they can tempt people into paying for the 52"xbr6

The Z has PhotoHD also...check the specs on sonystyle.
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so whats up with this *sparkle* thing...should i not purchase the Z because if this

Buy it, don't buy it.... If you don't, you'll wonder "what if", and if you do a few things could happen. 1.) Defect free tv. 2.) Sparkles, if not a hassle exchange/return and go with something else. 3.) You yourself will find something you don't like and that will become the "issue" du jour.

Never hurts to roll the dice...
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