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I'd like to start off by saying I've been following a few threads on here for awhile and been doing some research and narrowed my choices down to these three screens. I'm looking to buy a new LCD TV for when I move into my new house in the next month or so. I want to buy a 32" or 37" set and It will mostly be used for watching HD-DVD Movies, Xbox 360 and PC Input through HDMI. My laptop has an HDMI output so that's how I will be hooking it up. I'm looking for the tv with lowest input lag as that is a big factor to me for gaming, as well as using the screen as a monitor for my laptop. What set do you think has the best overall color reproduction, as well as black levels, etc and so on. Any input would be appreciated. I'm in no hurry to buy one at the moment, so I'm just trying to do all my research before I pull the trigger on one of these LCD's

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650 or LZ800
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the Toshiba 530U is like one or two levels down from the A650. why not consider the XF550, or the XV540? they are much better than the RV530.
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Samsung 650 in the 40" size. Realize the 32" panel becomes a weenie 26" with SD. How about a Sony S4100 at 40" - 1080P provides the clarity and HT immersion for close viewing and still light and portable.

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The 650 comes in 32" - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16889102228

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What are the price points for those two panels. Im trying to keep it in the 1200 or less ball park.
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I'd like to start off by saying I've been following a few threads on here for awhile and been doing some research and narrowed my choices down to these three screens. I'm looking to buy a new LCD TV for when I move into my new house in the next month or so. I want to buy a 32" or 37" set and It will mostly be used for watching HD-DVD Movies, Xbox 360 and PC Input through HDMI. My laptop has an HDMI output so that's how I will be hooking it up. I'm looking for the tv with lowest input lag as that is a big factor to me for gaming, as well as using the screen as a monitor for my laptop. What set do you think has the best overall color reproduction, as well as black levels, etc and so on. Any input would be appreciated. I'm in no hurry to buy one at the moment, so I'm just trying to do all my research before I pull the trigger on one of these LCD's

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If price is a concern then the Samsung A550 or the A540 with "clear panel".If you want to go with a 120Hz then the A650 or the VX530 Tosh is not bad. I would stay away from the S4100 Sony because motion (blur) and scenes with dense foliage were unbearable.

The 720P Plasmas from panny are nice but i have heard the new 1080P (80 and 85 series) have "accurate" color reproduction problems along with green phosphor trails.

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If you want 120Hz you have to get 40"+ on the Samsung or Toshiba
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The 650 comes in 32" - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16889102228

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What are the price points for those two panels. Im trying to keep it in the 1200 or less ball park.

the XF550 is probably out of your range then. i believe the MSRP of the 42XV540 is 1499. if you talk to a sales person, you could probably talk them down close to your budget. the 42XV540 uses a different panel than the 46/52XV540 and XF550's (which are Samsung panels), but there are many happy customers of the 42" model too (most likely an LG panel). i can't comment on the 42" model personally, though, but you may want to keep it on your list, and you can check it out for yourself in-store. the XV540 is a 120hz btw (probably one of the cheapest 120hz TV's available). it may not have the best overall PQ (not saying its bad by any means), but if you want to go up to a 40"+ with 120hz, thats probably your only option considering your price range.
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Alright, thanks for the input. I'm really looking to just get a 32" though, maybe a 40" max, cause I'm gonna be putting it in a small room, so I can't really go all out.
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The LZ800 and A650 are your two top contenders. Personally, I would go with the LZ800. Although the A650's aren't bad at all.

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The LZ800 and A650 are your two top contenders. Personally, I would go with the LZ800. Although the A650's aren't bad at all.

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Thats what i was thinking. Can you give me some more details on why though?
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Depending on how far you want to stretch your budget, you could shoot for the Toshiba 40xf550. It will fit in the space of a 37". I think the online cost for it now is around $1600ish.

If you don't need 120hz and still want the same size TV, you could shoot for the Toshiba 40rf350u, which is basically the same TV minus the newer technology. I believe you can still get it for $1000+ on several sites. (I just bought one but it arrived damaged)

The Samsung 4061 can be had for the same price as well.
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ive done a lot of research myself and came to the conclusion of getting the 46xv540 (tosh)
go with a tosh xf or xv models, you can tinker with alot more settings and they are both 120hz, im a gamer myself and it has more inputs and is really up to date with features

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Thats what i was thinking. Can you give me some more details on why though?

I have an individual that I am working with that is going to install a pair of 32LZ800's with a Sanus dual ceiling mount. He should be very impressed to say the least.

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Thats what i was thinking. Can you give me some more details on why though?

First the 32/37Lz800 and 37Lz85 use IPS Alpha panels, very possibly generations ahead of the next best panel from S-lcd. you gotta see it to believe it...insane black levels, forget viewing angles 190 degrees i say, contrast ratios, refresh rates are totaly blur free...its PERFECT PERIOD. i own the 37Lz800 before was the 32Lx700.
NB: Toshiba 37 and 42's use a sharp panel not LG. All 40, 46 and 52" Tosh panels are S-lcd (samsung & sony). No difference between a XV530U and RV530U other than 120Hz. XF550 just has better processing but is identical to last years RF350U with addition to 120Hz and latest clear panel from S-lcd.
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NB: Toshiba 37 and 42's use a sharp panel not LG. All 40, 46 and 52" Tosh panels are S-lcd (samsung & sony). No difference between a XV530U and RV530U other than 120Hz. XF550 just has better processing but is identical to last years RF350U with addition to 120Hz and latest clear panel from S-lcd.

the pixel pattern of the 42XV540 looks totally different than a typical Sharp panel. also, does Sharp even make a 120hz 10-bit panel? and doesn't toshiba have a joint venture with LG as well?
the XV540 is a 10-bit panel and is 120hz. the RV530 is an 8-bit panel and is 60hz. the XV540 l(even the 42") looks much better than the RV530 from what i saw.

and how do you know the only difference between the XF550 and RF350U is processing? so far, the reviews of the XF550 have been very positive, whereas the RF350 got slightly above average reviews. one review in particular comments on how much better the blacks are. and most rank the XF550 right up there with the best of them.
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the pixel pattern of the 42XV540 looks totally different than a typical Sharp panel. also, does Sharp even make a 120hz 10-bit panel? and doesn't toshiba have a joint venture with LG as well?
the XV540 is a 10-bit panel and is 120hz. the RV530 is an 8-bit panel and is 60hz. the XV540 l(even the 42") looks much better than the RV530 from what i saw.

and how do you know the only difference between the XF550 and RF350U is processing? so far, the reviews of the XF550 have been very positive, whereas the RF350 got slightly above average reviews. one review in particular comments on how much better the blacks are. and most rank the XF550 right up there with the best of them.

the processing is what accounts for the improved PQ you have stated. you are saying the same thing just in greater detail. xf550 and rf350u are the same tv with the former having 4g vs. 3g processing, 120hz, plus wider NTSC colur gamut (108% vs 92%)

to the OP i would go with the 650. the 530 is 8 bit. for the price difference (if any) it's worth having at least a 10 bit panel.
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Is the panasonic panel 8-bit or 10-bit?
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the processing is what accounts for the improved PQ you have stated. you are saying the same thing just in greater detail. xf550 and rf350u are the same tv with the former having 4g vs. 3g processing, 120hz, plus wider NTSC colur gamut (108% vs 92%)

to the OP i would go with the 650. the 530 is 8 bit. for the price difference (if any) it's worth having at least a 10 bit panel.

true. just the way JAMTUFF worded it, it made it sound like there aren't any significant differences between the RF350 and XF550.
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So other then the panel, the processor, and the rf350u is last years mid model and the fx550 is this years top end model (until the fall anyway) they are the same TV. LOL

Other then both useing the super narrow bezel design I don't think much would be the same.
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From what I read, the Sammy A650 is just the A550 with better speakers basically and more AV inputs. I've seen the A550 and I wasn't impressed. It had good colors but poor motion.

The Sony 32XBR6 and the Panny 32LZ800 are tops in the 32" LCD category. Personally, I went with the LZ800 (just got it this week). Between the two, it's a really close race. It really came down to the Panny being $100-150 cheaper than the XBR6 and had better colors.
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hmm,aduno man i personaly thought xbr6 had the richer colors
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First the 32/37Lz800 and 37Lz85 use IPS Alpha panels, very possibly generations ahead of the next best panel from S-lcd... ...insane black levels, forget viewing angles 190 degrees i say, contrast ratios, refresh rates are totaly blur free...its PERFECT PERIOD. i own the 37Lz800 before was the 32Lx700.

IPS panels are not characteristically known for superior black levels. Excellent colour reproduction (the best of any LCD panel type), yes and fantastic viewing angles. Unless Panny has sourced some new IPS tech, I don't see how the black levels could beat an SPVA or MPVA from Sony or Samsung (though it may be close). If the LZ800 has great blacks, this is most likely attributed to the glossy screen. The LZ85, without the glossy screen is reputed to not have especially good black levels (though they may be quite adequate)

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From what I read, the Sammy A650 is just the A550 with better speakers basically and more AV inputs. I've seen the A550 and I wasn't impressed.

That is my understanding as well. Plus the 32LNa650 has that fantastic ToC... (sarcasm). As with the Sonys the 40" and above a650s have different panels than the a550 series and are completely different animals.

Thank you everyone for taking the time to contribute valuable information. I am looking for a 32" or 37" LCD for a HTPC setup in my room. Does anyone have any insight into which of these might be best for PC use? I'm leaning toward the Pannys because of the IPS panels, but am not sold yet. Does the LZ800 add anything over the LZ85 for PC use? If you are using these with a PC, can you please specify at what resolution and if using a digital (HDMI) or analog (VGA) connection? THANKS!

EDIT: I would go and get an LN40a650 right now, but for the application, its just a little to big, a little to much $$ and it is possible that they may have slightly more lag than the Panny's (though not certain). The 120hz is nice though... Ah, decisions decisions!
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IPS panels are not characteristically known for superior black levels. Excellent colour reproduction (the best of any LCD panel type), yes and fantastic viewing angles. Unless Panny has sourced some new IPS tech, I don't see how the black levels could beat an SPVA or MPVA from Sony or Samsung (though it may be close). If the LZ800 has great blacks, this is most likely attributed to the glossy screen. The LZ85, without the glossy screen is reputed to not have especially good black levels (though they may be quite adequate)



That is my understanding as well. Plus the 32LNa650 has that fantastic ToC... (sarcasm). As with the Sonys the 40" and above a650s have different panels than the a550 series and are completely different animals.

Thank you everyone for taking the time to contribute valuable information. I am looking for a 32" or 37" LCD for a HTPC setup in my room. Does anyone have any insight into which of these might be best for PC use? I'm leaning toward the Pannys because of the IPS panels, but am not sold yet. Does the LZ800 add anything over the LZ85 for PC use? If you are using these with a PC, can you please specify at what resolution and if using a digital (HDMI) or analog (VGA) connection? THANKS!

EDIT: I would go and get an LN40a650 right now, but for the application, its just a little to big, a little to much $$ and it is possible that they may have slightly more lag than the Panny's (though not certain). The 120hz is nice though... Ah, decisions decisions!

I was in the same situation for 2 weeks and I just went ahead with the 37LZ85 because I couldnt find a retailer that had a LZ800 in stock. I wish I had seen one of them before making the decision and I hope I wont be losing out a lot. I typically watch very very little TV and will use it for a PS3, blue ray and Linux
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im looking between the samnsung ln46a530 or toshiba 46XF550U.
the samsung is 60Hz but 30,000:1 dynamic contrast...
toshiba is 120Hz but10,000:1 ratio.
also the refresh rate is different... 5ms for samsung and 8ms for tosh.
please advise as to which would be the better buy.......
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I was in the same situation for 2 weeks and I just went ahead with the 37LZ85 because I couldnt find a retailer that had a LZ800 in stock. I wish I had seen one of them before making the decision and I hope I wont be losing out a lot. I typically watch very very little TV and will use it for a PS3, blue ray and Linux

Yeah, sounds like we want something for similar applications. You mentioned in another thread that you would have liked the 120Hz - well the LZ800 does not have 120Hz - so maybe that will help with the cognitive dissonance of your purchase . It has Panny's motion smoothing technology (whatever that does) - I supposed it might be similar to "Amped" for the Sammys or Sony's Cinnemotion (hard to keep track of all this marketing jargon)? No Panny LCDs are 120 Hz this year - At least not in North America.

I look forward to finding out how you like the 37LZ85 for PC use!
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Looking at the specs, proffessional reviews and picture quality tells me the processor in the XF550U is upgraded from the RF350U-. The panel is also upgraded to the latest s-lcd panel which has the glare (I own the 52XF550U). The 42XV540 is not a S-IPS panel thus not LG made but Sharp (read through behind the back cover you will see the panel model type). Yes sharp makes 120hz panels and has plenty 120hz panels on many of their models.

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IPS panels werent known to have good black levels in the past is true. BUT have you seen a IPS-Pro panel by IPS Alpha? This issue is non existent S-PVA panels have very good black levels but not better than the clear IPS-pro panel but might possibly match the non clear panel. try comparing any late model sony including the Z series to a 37LZ85 alone forget the Lz800......please take that chalenge then get back to me. I also own the 37Lz800 IPS-Alpha panel is just the ultimate panel.

the panny lz800 has 120hz processing its called Motion Picture Pro.
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Yeah, sounds like we want something for similar applications. You mentioned in another thread that you would have liked the 120Hz - well the LZ800 does not have 120Hz - so maybe that will help with the cognitive dissonance of your purchase . It has Panny's motion smoothing technology (whatever that does) - I supposed it might be similar to "Amped" for the Sammys or Sony's Cinnemotion (hard to keep track of all this marketing jargon)? No Panny LCDs are 120 Hz this year - At least not in North America.

I look forward to finding out how you like the 37LZ85 for PC use!

Thanks, will hook up a ps3 and let you know. Right now, its on a truck on its way from Reno to the bay area Hope CEVA (Amazon's white glove company) delivers it in 1 piece in the next few days!

Its nice to see people using TVs for PC use .... I thought that was uncommon and I almost bought a Dell 27"
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The LZ800 does NOT have better blacks than a a650 or xbr6 or Toshiba VA panel. The guy saying that a few posts up must sell them or something.
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the panny lz800 has 120hz processing its called Motion Picture Pro.

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...00000000005702

Hmm. Definitely confusing. Panasonic's online US store does say it has Motion Picture Pro (which is apparently some sort of refresh rate enhancement. I've seen references that say this is equivalent to 100 Hz or 120 Hz refresh rate -but no official source confirms this for the LZ800)

Also, others in this forum have stated that like Sony, the Panasonic's initially claimed they were going to have 120hz for this year - but then like the 32 and 37" Sony XBR6, dropped it from the specs as they were released.

What I was referring to above was Motion Focus as being analogous to Samsung's "Amped" feature (which I believe is sort of on-the-fly backlight adjustment to enhance regions of certain frames to make them appear to have more "resolution")

So does the LZ800 have increased refresh rate (either 100Hz or 120Hz) and if so it is equivalent to the 120Hz features on, say, the LN40a650? or KDLZ4100? If it does, this might tip the scales in favor of the the extra $150 for the LZ800 over the LZ85

Boy. I wish people (especially the bloody manufacturers!!) would get their specs straight!
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