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Cal1981's Avatar Cal1981
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Since the original XXZ4100 thread seems to be devolving into a Samsung vs. Sony party, I thought that a calibration thread might be useful. Let's hear from Z owners as they experiment with their settings.

I still haven't completely locked in my own settings but I did take out my DVE DVD yesterday and fooled around a bit with the black settings primarily so these are starting points for cable.

Input: HDMI 1 (HD DVDR)
Setting: Cinema
Backlight: 4
Picture: 85
Brightness: 48 (per the pluge pattern, 48-50 nailed the blacks)
Color: 55
Hue: R1
Temp: Warm 1
Sharpness: 10
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Red: Off
Black Corr: Off
ACE: Low (seems to lessen the auto-dim a bit but I'm not sure)
Gamma: Off
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Standard
Cinemotion: Auto 1
Motion Enhance: Standard
Power Saving: Low
Auto Sensor: Off
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Ok guys I got around to using the HD Basics blu-ray disc from Joe Kane productions. Here are the settings I'm using after running through several of the more common test patterns.

I'm using the 46Z
Room: 16'x12'
Distance: 14'

Little ambient light, very dark
Using HDMI input, full 1080p signal



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Game mode off
Setting: Custom

Picture settings:
Backlight 4
Picture 49
Brightness 54
Color 49
Hue 0
Color Temp Neutral
Sharpness Minimum
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off

Advanced Settings, everything off
Color Space standard
White balance, everything 0
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Here are some additional findings.

Using the 75% bars with grey reference test pattern, I've learned that the Z apparently has a problem with reproducing an accurate green signal. Upon matching up the blue signal properly, I noticed that the red matched ok but green you could easily see that the transitions between the steps of the pattern were too noticeable. The only way I found to correct this was to turn the hue to its maximum setting of G50, but in doing that it ruins the overall picture entirely.

I tried adjusting the RGB bias/gain in the advanced menus but this did not produce any noticeable effect in setting the green signal appropriately. I'd be very interested to hear if anyone has some suggestions of how to get the green signal to display properly according to this pattern.
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Game mode off
Setting: Custom

Picture settings:
Backlight 4
Picture 49
Brightness 54
Color 49
Hue 0
Color Temp Neutral
Sharpness Minimum
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off

Advanced Settings, everything off
Color Space standard
White balance, everything 0

Were you satisfied with the overall brightness at the 49 picture setting? Sometimes a lower setting can give a plasma-like image if the other values fall into place but 49 seems pretty dark. I'm fooling with DVE but I always find it cumbersome to use. Per my own visual perception, the grey scale looked pretty pretty good at Warm1. I know that Sony's Warm2 is supposed to the closest to D65 but it looks too warm to me.
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My environment is pretty dark so it may differ from yours some in that aspect. I determined that the outer bar on the pluge pattern was just barely faded at that setting.
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My environment is pretty dark so it may differ from yours some in that aspect. I determined that the outer bar on the pluge pattern was just barely faded at that setting.

I tried those settings out and the brightness was too low for my room. I have windows directly opposite the TV. Thanks for posting preach!

Keep them coming.... I need to have some alone time with my Z when my g/f isn't yelling at me to stop messing with the settings, then I'll post.
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I don't understand. Those outer bars are considered below black, something like 5% below black...I can't remember exactly. Is not the point of this pattern to adjust your set so that below black isn't quite readily visible?
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I'm using the calibration settings that were posted on page 22 of the official Z thread. I don't know much about calibrating or anything else as this is my first HDTV, but it does look pretty good compared to the other settings. Here is part of that post....

So I put my DVE calibration disk in the PS3 through HDMI and gave it a quick calibration. Used the Brightness/ contrast test, the color decoder with the film screen for Blue, Red, Green, and the sharpness test. I am definately an amatuer enthusiast and by no means a calibration expert but alot of this is subjective also, as long as you are on the right track with the settings.
They can vary slightly from the panels baseline calibration

This is what I got for "my" panel.

Picture mode: custom
Backlight:5
Picture: 85
Brightness: 49
Color:56
Hue : G1
Color Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: 10
Noise Red: Off
Mpeg Noise: Off

Advanced
Black Corrector: Low
Advaanced CE: Low
Gamma: Off
Clear white: Low
Color Space: Wide
Live color: Off

White Balance: Have not touched.

Visually I believe its pushing the red a bit and I have yet to be able to lower that red saturation withought affecting too much of the rest of the colors. I will keep trying, and any suggestions would greatly be appreciated.

Color space set to wide gives a much more lively color palette, which I prefer.
Color space, i believe, has the largest affect on color vibrance and there is a substantial difference between normal and wide. My calibration is on the wide setting. I am sure if you prefer the normal setting for color space, you will probably get different settings.

Your first choice when you calibrate is choosing between normal and wide on the color space and then go through the color calibration.
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WOuld be nice to see the settings that someone gets with the SpyderTV. I should have just paid to get mine calibrated when I bought it.
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Can someone post settings for the component video input? My DVD player does not have an HDMI output and cannot upscale my DVDs.

Thanks, David
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Any other suggestions on settings out there? I just ordered DVE Blu-ray, but I don't even know where to begin...
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The picture on my Z washes out if not seated directly in front of the set. Is this usual on LCD TVs? It is a great picture when sitting in front, but the picture fades when viewing from the side.
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The picture on my Z washes out if not seated directly in front of the set. Is this usual on LCD TVs? It is a great picture when sitting in front, but the picture fades when viewing from the side.

My set has very good color even at large angles. I was commenting to my wife that I was surprised that I could see such a nice picture while setting at our kitchen table. I would guess my chair at the kitchen table gives me about a 75 degree angle from the TV which is in the adjoining great room.
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The picture on my Z washes out if not seated directly in front of the set. Is this usual on LCD TVs? It is a great picture when sitting in front, but the picture fades when viewing from the side.

Mine is Ok to around 80 - 90 Degrees from center (assuming that 180 is lined up with the side of the set). It will lose a small bit of vibrancy as the angle increases but is more than just watchable.
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46" (silver!). Configured with DVE (Blu Ray).
Room Size: 13'x15', back wall opposite of TV entirely windowed. Large ambient light level variations throughout the day.

Colour and grey levels were quite close out of the box once in Custom mode. A few tweaks dialed it right in. I'm very satisfied with the picture.

Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 6
Picture: 90
Brightness: 50
Colour: 55
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 6
Noise Reduction: Low
MPEG Noise Reduction: Low
Black Corrector: Low
Advanced C.E.: Low
Gamma: Off
Clear White: Low
Color Space: Wide
Live Color: Low
White Balance: All 0
Power Saving: Low
Light Sensor: On
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My 46Z should arrive next week.

Netflix has Avia, Avia II and Digital Video Essentials NTSC. Is DVE the best of the bunch?
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My 46Z should arrive next week.

Netflix has Avia, Avia II and Digital Video Essentials NTSC. Is DVE the best of the bunch?

I've used both Avia II and DVE with my Z. I think I preferred DVE. I purchased Avia II to replace my original Avia and DVE, and was not really that impressed with the upgrade. Of course this is like a discussion of preferring Coke or Pepsi, Ford or Chevy.
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Aside from the basic video settings, which can vary per each user's tastes, has anyone come to any conclusions about the Advanced settings? I'm speaking about the Black Corrector, ACE, Gamma, Clear White, Color Space, Live Color and last but not least the individual White Balance settings. What are your impressions of these after you've played with them and do you detect their usage (espcially in combination) causing any problems with the set's Cinemotion/Motion Enhancer processes?
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I've never before owned a set that could be calibrated so please forgive my remedial question. Does one calibration work for all sources? Blu-Ray, digital cable ( HD & SD), Wii, upconverted DVD, Apple TV etc.

I understand the desire for a game setting (though I can't imagine the Wii needs one - its appeal isn't based on video performance).

Thanks

I don't suppose the tv has an ambient light sensor that adjusts the image like my laptop.
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Just got my 46" setup, I have the DVE in DVD, should I step up and get the BD or will the DVD do. Thanks
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Here's my settings after using DVE BD and the THX Optimizer on the Attack of the Clones DVD.

TV Settings

Backlight 3
Brightness 50
Picture 90
Color Temp Neutral
Color 48
Hue G3
Sharpness 6
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Red Off
Powersaving Low
Light Sensor Off
Cinemotion Auto 1
Motion Enhancer Standard
White balance everything 0
All advanced settings OFF except
Color Space Wide
Live Color Medium

PS3 Settings

Display Settings
Cross Color Reduction Filter: Off
RGB Full Range (HDMI): Limited
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI): On

BD/DVD Settings
BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI): Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr

I've taken a short analysis from cnet's XBR4 review to explain why i took all the avanced settings OFF.

Those advanced settings sure seems to improve the PQ of the picture but like cnet's review explains, you lose a lot of detail in the image.

From cnet's review of the XBR4:
  • Black Corrector, which is best left to Off to preserve shadow detail;
  • Advanced Contrast Enhancer, which changed the overall brightness and seemed to dim areas near black as the image got brighter (and that's again best left off to preserve shadow detail)
  • A four-step gamma control, which should be set to Off in dim environments for the most-linear rise from black to white;
  • A three-step Clear White control that belongs in Off since the other settings just make whites look bluer
  • Two-option Color Space setting we left in Standard for the most-accurate primary color reproduction
  • A four-step Live Color setting that seemed to make red and magenta more intense, although Off provided the best color balance;

I just kept Color Space on Wide and Live Color on Medium because i like how it brings out the red.
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http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33028126.html

Settings they used:

Picture menu

Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: Min
Picture: 94
Brightness: 53
Color: 55
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Warm2
Sharpness: Min
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off

Advanced Settings menu:

Black Corrector: Off
Advanced C.E.: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: Off [grayed out]
Motion Enhancer: Off
CineMotion: Auto 1
Game Mode: Off
Video/Photo Optimizer: Video

White Balance menu:

R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: -1
R-Bias: -2
G-Bias: -4
B-Bias: 1

General Setup menu

Power Saver: Off
Light Senor: Off
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My settings:
Settings they used:

Picture menu
Input:HDMI 1(1080i HD cable such as olympics).
Picture Mode: custom
Backlight: 7
Picture: 86
Brightness: 43
Color: 59
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Warm1
Sharpness: 16
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: low

Advanced Settings menu:

Black Corrector: Off
Advanced C.E.: low
Gamma: Off
Clear White: Off
Color Space: wide
Live Color: low
Motion Enhancer: standard
CineMotion: off
Game Mode: off
Video/Photo Optimizer: Video


Power Saver: Low
Light Senor: Off

This is daytime btw, and since my apartement has a lot of windows I need it to be a bit brighter.
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Input: HDMI 1 (TWC HD-DVR)
PICTURE MODE: CINEMA
BACKLIGHT: 4
PICTURE: 85
BRIGHTNESS: 40
COLOR: 55
HUE: 0
COLOR TEMP: Warm 1
SHARPNESS: 10
NOISE RED: off
MPEG NOISE: Medium

BLACK CORRECT: MEDIUM
ADVANCED C.E.: off
GAMMA: off
CLEAR WHITE: off
COLOR SPACE: wide
LIVE COLOR: low

MOTION ENHANCER: standard
POWER SAVER: off
LIGHT SENSOR: off

for me i use almost the same settings for my PS3 as well connected HDMI. These settings provide good black reproduction to me as well as clearing up majority of the compression artifacts/noise. To me it seems like a lower brightness overall clears up the pictures and makes it more realistic. I watch DAY/NIGHT in my bedroom with a huge window. Took a lot of tinkering to get these.
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Input: HDMI 3 (BR)
PICTURE MODE: CUSTOM
BACKLIGHT: 4
PICTURE: 85
BRIGHTNESS: 54
COLOR: 54
HUE: 0
COLOR TEMP: NEUTRAL
SHARPNESS: 10
NOISE RED: low
MPEG NOISE: off

BLACK CORRECT: off
ADVANCED C.E.: off
GAMMA: off
CLEAR WHITE: off
COLOR SPACE: wide
LIVE COLOR: low

MOTION ENHANCER: standard
POWER SAVER: off
LIGHT SENSOR: off
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Just want to say thanks to all who have posted their setups. Much appreciated...
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hey guys..I found that putting color space on wide really pushes the reds and makes skin tones look very unnatural (check out the pics i posted in the owners thread). Does setting the color space to standard fix this problem? I havent got the chance to test it yet but im guessing it would.
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Input: HDMI 1 (Motorola HD-DVR)
PICTURE MODE: CINEMA
BACKLIGHT: 6
PICTURE: 85
BRIGHTNESS: 50
COLOR: 55
HUE: 0
COLOR TEMP: Normal
SHARPNESS: 10

That's all I've played with. This might be a bit bright for some, but my living room is nuthin' but windows!

As I posted in the owner's thread, I still haven't decided on what to do with Cinemotion and Motion Enhance. I have left them on their original settings for now. Any add'l thoughts?

ps I didn't want to run the wires and AVR for a 5.1 system in my living room so I settled on the SONY HT-CT100. It is NOT surround sound. But for $300 and no fuss, I am VERY pleased. DOLBY TRUE HD sounds great off Spiderman 3. Just a heads up...
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Viper...check your color bias and adjust accordingly to fix that.
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I have been playing with my settings...

Input: HDMI 3 (BR)
PICTURE MODE: CUSTOM
BACKLIGHT: 5
PICTURE: 86
BRIGHTNESS: 53
COLOR: 54
HUE: 0
COLOR TEMP: NEUTRAL
SHARPNESS: 5
NOISE RED: off
MPEG NOISE: low

BLACK CORRECT: off
ADVANCED C.E.: off
GAMMA: off
CLEAR WHITE: off
COLOR SPACE: wide
LIVE COLOR: off

MOTION ENHANCER: standard
POWER SAVER: off
LIGHT SENSOR: off
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my settings. Skin tones seem to be pushing red too much,any help to fix this would be appreciated.



Picture mode: custom
Backlight:min
Picture: 86
Brightness: 45
Color:57
Hue : default
Color Temp: warm1
Sharpness: 22
Noise Red: Off
Mpeg Noise: Off


Black Corrector: low
Advanced CE: off
Gamma: Off
Clear white: off
Color Space: Wide
Live color: low

White Balance: r-gain -2
Power Save: LOW

PS* Make sure the TV is in custom mode because each mode produces a slightly different picture.

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