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Its available now at Amazon. Wonder how it compares with A650 featurewise and PQ. Justify for the extra grand?
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It has been on amazon for a couple of weeks now. Bet it will be discounted once it's available for shipping. Otherwise, there is no way that it is 1k better than 52A750.

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It does look very good in pictures, but I suspect it will perform same as the 750's. Based on spec it sounds like they are identical.
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It does look very good in pictures, but I suspect it will perform same as the 750's. Based on spec it sounds like they are identical.

are you implying that this is a bad thing? the 750 series is one of the most well regarded lcd tvs on the market...

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are you implying that this is a bad thing? the 750 series is one of the most well regarded lcd tvs on the market...

Not at all, that is not a bad thing. I love the 750's I 've been debating on buying one in a few months. I'm just saying for quite a bit more for the 850's all your going to get is a better physically appearing set, with a ultra thin frame and stylish look.
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Not at all, that is not a bad thing. I love the 750's I 've been debating on buying one in a few months. I'm just saying for quite a bit more for the 850's all your going to get is a better physically appearing set, with a ultra thin frame and stylish look.

...and no halo.
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...and no halo.

Hopefully no halos, we have to wait and see after someone buys one and post some feedback.
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I got to look at one today in Circuit City, It looked VERY nice! This is definitely the thinnest profile HD LCD screen I've seen (not counting OLED flat panels) not sure if that is enough to justify the price dif between this and the 750 though... I'll have to wait until I read more reports on the features this one offers. Time is on my side as I won't be in the market for one until Dec/Jan...
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Saw one also tonight at CC (52"). Very impressive to see how big and thin it is. $$$ though.
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looks like the 850 is thinner than the 750.
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looks like the 850 is thinner than the 750.

It better be, because feature-wise, they're the same exact set.
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I've had the 52" 850 for almost a week now. There is no halo effect, which is why I returned my 750. The tv itself pretty much like the 750, but the bezel that surrounds the screen is not quite as big ~ did I say there was no halo effect!!! I just couldn't live with that...

Anyway, best looking tv on the market, as far as I'm concerned. Even the stand is glass, with the touch of color filling up all but the outer 1/2" or so. Very cool looking. I thought that I might like the 860 with the dark blue toc, but I think the red is better. It isn't as bright as the 650, again, more like the 750, because it is very subtle.

Picture is fantastic, and seems to handle sd channels very well. I had a problem with the amp with the 650 and the 750, and I'm not sure if they've updated their amp processing, but it seems to be smoother to me. The version and all other info are way different form software upgrade - info - than it was on the 650 / 750.

The only issue I have is with the flashlighting in the upper right hand corner. It isn't super bright, but my old tricks of energy saving / brightness / backlight adjusting doesn't do much to reduce it. You can tell these features work when you are watching a program, but with no signal, and the tv on, they don't seem to do too much as far as darkening the brightness. I'm thinking it could be because the tv is so thin, and the backlight is that much closer to the screen. I don't know. It does seem to even out a bit after the set has been on for a while though, but it's still visible.

The remote is upgraded as well. The 650 / 750 remotes were not programmable. The 850 is. The wheel is much more responsive, too. The menu comes up in a dark red color that equals the toc, and is pretty cool. I'm not much on dlna, but they have upgraded that as well. It includes the content of the 750, which I don't have much use for, but the pictures are stunning, just as they were on the 750.

I couldn't believe that they would let the 750 leave production with that design flaw of the halo effect. I really tried, but couldn't deal with it. Not for the money. I bought the 850 hoping that this issue would be fixed, and was so relieved that it was.

The 850, to me, is what the 750 should have been in the first place. Very cool.
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sounds like a good set, but still pricey. I'm sure it must look cool in person.
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please owners post some pics, thanks
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I have held off for two years now debating which HDTV to buy, and I finally decided on the Sammy 850. I ordered it online along with a Denon AVR5308CI AV reciever. Hey, ya can't go out and buy a HDTV without a new receiver can ya? Anyway, it's still going to take at least another 10 days to get here. i ordered from an online outfit from NYC that I am less than happy with. When the set finally makes it here I'll post up some pics as well as my most amateurish review.
I am wondering where folks have been finding the Infolink adapter. I would like to purchase it before the TV arrives.
And thanks to all of you with your great posts that helped this lurker come out of the closet. I simply got tired of waiting for the 60" OLEDs to come out!
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Like I said, I bought my 52" 850 at BB a week ago. I just saw last night that CC is selling it for 3229 w/ an additional $100 off coupon, bringing the price down to 3129. I had BB price match it today, and with the difference + 10% of the difference, and the difference in tax, I got $321 refunded. I was really ok with the price of the tv @ 3399, but you always have to be on the lookout for that lower price w/in the 30 days. These tv's move up and down like the stock market, so you need to check pretty much every day.

Anyway, awesome tv.
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...The 850, to me, is what the 750 should have been in the first place. Very cool.

I'm very interested in the 850, so 2 questions:
1. The 750 had the woofers in back and the 850 doesn't. Since you had a 750, how does the 850 sound compare?

2. If you have the time, could you split your cable and try the PIP to make sure it can do 2 digital channels. The 750 was the first Sammy capable of a digital channel in the PIP window and I need desperately to know that they carried that feature thru on the 850... there are so many football games to watch. Thanks
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You can get a great deal on this set at CC if you are willing to bargain with the department manager, who seem to be pretty flexible as another customer also got the 10% off right after I purchased mine. Of course this is YMMV, but give it a try. I got the set for $2806.99+tax (MSRP 3399.99-170 automatic savings- 10% off haggling with manager - $100 circuit city coupon=$2806.99 + tax). The extra $100 off coupon expires today 8/30 so if you want to get this price you have to get it done by today.
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I'm very interested in the 850, so 2 questions:
1. The 750 had the woofers in back and the 850 doesn't. Since you had a 750, how does the 850 sound compare?

2. If you have the time, could you split your cable and try the PIP to make sure it can do 2 digital channels. The 750 was the first Sammy capable of a digital channel in the PIP window and I need desperately to know that they carried that feature thru on the 850... there are so many football games to watch. Thanks

The sound overall seems to be very good. Maybe lacking a little bit in the bass dept. compared to the 750, but if I'm not mistaken, the 850/60 also have the integrated woofer in the back. I think I saw that spec on here or Cnet Samsung forum. I haven't actually checked my manual, or tinkered with the sound options. I'll check it out & let you know. Anyway, I have no complaints. The depth of the cabinet may not resonate the woofer as much as the 750 due to limited air space, even though we're only talking about an inch or so.

I'll also try to check out that split for you, but if someone else beats me to it that would be great as I won't have a chance to get to it until middle or end of the week.
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... but if I'm not mistaken, the 850/60 also have the integrated woofer in the back.

I'll also try to check out that split for you, but if someone else beats me to it that would be great as I won't have a chance to get to it until middle or end of the week.

Thanks, and you're right. I just re-checked the Samsung PDF specs and it does say integrated woofer.

To check the 850's ability to show a digital picture in the PIP window, like the 750 can, you could quickly plug the coax into the RF input, scan for digital/HD stations, call up PIP, and see if digital/HD stations will show up in the PIP sub window. Of course, if you actually want to use PIP, splitting the cable before the STB and sending HDMI or component output from the box to the Main window is what the 750 owners did. Thanks again.
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If people are concerned about the halos, the new 750's fixes the halo effect.
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Is there a manufacturer code on how to differentiate between the "old" 750s and the "new" ones?
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850/860 owners please post your reviews and pics!

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If people are concerned about the halos, the new 750's fixes the halo effect.

can you provide some proof, has anyone actually gotten this fix?

I checked out the 850 several times, the set was great. I noticed backlight bleeding from the bottom center of the screen, but it was not there all the time, it could be source related but have to look into it. The one I saw at frys did not have this.

The AMP seemed strange, seemed less smooth than the 650, seemed to have more artifacts as well, not sure if the 850 has a tweaked amp version or if its just a service menu issue but i definately saw amp differences, also could be crappy source as the problem.

Overall the screen looked just as good if not better than the 750, the blacks were greate despite the thin bezel.

Speaking of the bezel, the TOC is less noticeable, no halo. The bezel is sort of bent/ rounded, similar to the toshiba frames, I'm thinking this is how they got rid of the halo but *shrug who knows. I still think the set needs a 700$ reduction in price.
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... I checked out the 850 several times, the set was great. I noticed backlight bleeding from the bottom center of the screen, but it was not there all the time, it could be source related but have to look into it. The one I saw at frys did not have this....

I just checked one out too. I did verify that I could display an HD picture in the PIP window, so the 850 IS a descendant of the 750. I thought the remote seemed pretty tight, and had no trouble with the wheel. Blacks were black, no clouds, no halo, and I saw no flashlights.

Dave, One thing I forgot to check was angle of view. Did you check that out? Also, I looked for the integrated woofer in the back, but couldn't get back there very well... could you tell if it had one. (It's supposed to according to the specs... and, yes, specs are right, it DOES have a swivel stand. )
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I just checked one out too. I did verify that I could display an HD picture in the PIP window, so the 850 IS a descendant of the 750. I thought the remote seemed pretty tight, and had no trouble with the wheel. Blacks were black, no clouds, no halo, and I saw no flashlights.

Dave, One thing I forgot to check was angle of view. Did you check that out? Also, I looked for the integrated woofer in the back, but couldn't get back there very well... could you tell if it had one. (It's supposed to according to the specs... and, yes, specs are right, it DOES have a swivel stand. )

I didnt check for the woofer maybe i'll check next time I see it. The viewing angle was actually not that great, I dont know if it was the settings but I felt it had one of the worst viewing angles on the wall, again this could be cause all the other tv's were on dynamic mode, need to check it out again.
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I think the touch of blue will look better than the red.

So are you going to give a discount to AVS members, Chris?

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Speaking of the bezel, the TOC is less noticeable, no halo. ...I still think the set needs a 700$ reduction in price.


Well it looks like your wish ostensibly may have come true! If you are cool with the Blue ToC (even better IMHO), the LN52A860 can be had for a price even better than that at US Appliance.

I pulled the trigger instantly for safe measure. It appears that they don't have any 850's available, just the 860 in both sizes. If you are even half-considering a 750, I see no reason to purchase one if an 860 can be had for even less than a 750!
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