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Ok, I thought I'd go ahead and get this party started, too.

I will post some pics of the same scene in Transformers Blu Ray using the default Dynamic mode and the tweaked settings I've just tried.

But here's the place for 850 owners to sound off with settings, tips, tricks and calibrations.

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I started with what looked like great settings from the 750 thread. These are zerog6's settings that he used on his 750 and, so far, I'd say they look pretty good on the 850. I'll have to wait and see how they do in the night.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post14049684

If you scroll back a bit in that thread, you'd find his first settings are here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post13997374

Here are pictures with the TV set to default Dynamic and the only adjustment I'd made was dialing the backlight down from 10 to 9:





Here are shots of roughly the same scene with zerog6's calibrations:




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Studdad has some settings for 52A750 that you could also try.

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I'm not sure if it's just the camera you're using, but the pics above and in your new owner's thread really lack detail and aren't sharp at all. The outlines aren't clean around the transformers and there's on overall blurry and extremely out-of-focus look. There's also lines all over the screen in each pic, this is most apparent in the last pic above which appears to be a close-up. Are you zooming in with your camera before taking the pics or something?

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I'm not sure if it's just the camera you're using, but the pics above and in your new owner's thread really lack detail and aren't sharp at all. The outlines aren't clean around the transformers and there's on overall blurry and extremely out-of-focus look. There's also lines all over the screen in each pic, this is most apparent in the last pic above which appears to be a close-up. Are you zooming in with your camera before taking the pics or something?

Yes. I had it zoomed. Like I said, I'm not the best with the camera. I don't know what the lines are in the pics, but they aren't there when viewing the TV.

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Yeah, not trying to be critical here, but I'm potentially interested in this set and am really concerned about sharpness and detail most of all. The regular pics above where you're not zoomed in still appear to be very out of focus and blurry. The images just don't have clean outlines and lack any real detail. Are you saying this isn't the case in person?

I believe you said in another thread that you have an XBR4 or something? Sony is known for better detail and sharpness, whereas Samsung is known for perhaps richer colors, more 'pop', and may handle motion a bit better, how would you compare your Sony to this new 850?

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Yeah, not trying to be critical here, but I'm potentially interested in this set and am really concerned about sharpness and detail most of all. The regular pics above where you're not zoomed in still appear to be very out of focus and blurry. The images just don't have clean outlines and lack any real detail. Are you saying this isn't the case in person?

I believe you said in another thread that you have an XBR4 or something? Sony is known for better detail and sharpness, whereas Samsung is known for perhaps richer colors, more 'pop', and may handle motion a bit better, how would you compare your Sony to this new 850?

I don't care if you take pictures of your tv with an expensive camera out there, there is no way you would get the same resolution that you would normally see in real live. On top of that, it also depends on your monitor too. So, go see it in person if you get a chance. Don't judge it too much from looking at the pictures.

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I don't care if you take pictures of your tv with an expensive camera out there, there is no way you would get the same resolution that you would normally see in real live. On top of that, it also depends on your monitor too. So, go see it in person if you get a chance. Don't judge it too much from looking at the pictures.

So true. I only wish a B&M near me had one of these babies already as I've been waiting to see one for so long. Still interested to hear how this owner compares the 850 to his Sony. I've seen some great quality pics in the 950 owners thread that showed far better detail and sharpness, but perhaps that was just their cameras or, of course, the improved LED backlight on the 950 vs. the 850.

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Yeah, not trying to be critical here, but I'm potentially interested in this set and am really concerned about sharpness and detail most of all. The regular pics above where you're not zoomed in still appear to be very out of focus and blurry. The images just don't have clean outlines and lack any real detail. Are you saying this isn't the case in person?

I believe you said in another thread that you have an XBR4 or something? Sony is known for better detail and sharpness, whereas Samsung is known for perhaps richer colors, more 'pop', and may handle motion a bit better, how would you compare your Sony to this new 850?

No worries. I don't think you're being critical at all. Believe me, I had a lot of questions especially with regards to Sammy vs Sony. Hopefully I can answer all your questions. I'm on the road right now typing on my iPhone! I was originally planning to buy an XBR4 but found out that they are OOP. I own a 40XBR2. When I discovered the XBR4s were no longer being made, I had to start planning on a different TV.

Ok, that being said, I can assure you that the picture on my 850 is far better than my XBR. the XBR is good - very good - the 850 is noticeably better. The color, black levels, details, etc. are all better. My wife concurs and she could really care less about this stuff.

With regards to the pics I posted, yes they aren't sharp as they could be. I'd blame two things for that. One, I realized that I have 120hz motion set to low. It should be off. That leads into part two for why it probably doesn't look so crisp - I picked a scene in the movie where there is a lot of action and movement. I'll take more pictures of people that aren't running for their lives! LOL! That being said, the frozen pictures weren't razor sharp on the tv when I paused the BR, but when the movie was playing, the image is unbelievably sharp, detailed and defined.

I spent a long time at CC and BB playing with settings and comparing the 650 and a 750 to the Sonys. The Samsungs always won IMHO and, remember, I started out with every intention of buying a Sony.

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No worries. I don't think you're being critical at all. Believe me, I had a lot of questions especially with regards to Sammy vs Sony. Hopefully I can answer all your questions. I'm on the road right now typing on my iPhone! I was originally planning to buy an XBR4 but found out that they are OOP. I own a 40XBR2. When I discovered the XBR4s were no longer being made, I had to start planning on a different TV.

Ok, that being said, I can assure you that the picture on my 850 is far better than my XBR. the XBR is good - very good - the 850 is noticeably better. The color, black levels, details, etc. are all better. My wife concurs and she could really care less about this stuff.

With regards to the pics I posted, yes they aren't sharp as they could be. I'd blame two things for that. One, I realized that I have 120hz motion set to low. It should be off. That leads into part two for why it probably doesn't look so crisp - I picked a scene in the movie where there is a lot of action and movement. I'll take more pictures of people that aren't running for their lives! LOL! That being said, the frozen pictures weren't razor sharp on the tv when I paused the BR, but when the movie was playing, the image is unbelievably sharp, detailed and defined.

I spent a long time at CC and BB playing with settings and comparing the 650 and a 750 to the Sonys. The Samsungs always won IMHO and, remember, I started out with every intention of buying a Sony.

Thanks for the post. Cool, I look forward to seeing more pics when you get the chance. It sounds like we're coming from the same position. I'll admit I've always been a Sony guy and my intention was to get the new XBR6, but that is looking extremely unlikely as Sony has suddenly decided not to put their highest-end components into their XBR6 line this year. One will have to get the XBR8 if they want the best of Sony this year I'm afraid.

In any case, I've always liked Sony for their sharp detail and crisp, more natural picture, but I've been very impressed with the Samsungs this year and believe I'm finally ready to step out of my Sony comfort zone. I really want to like the 8 series because I hear they've resolved the issues that the 750's were having, plus I really like their thin design. I don't want to jump into LED tech yet, so the 8 series will be the only option for me if it's going to be a Samsung. I didn't like the bezel on the 650 and don't want to deal with the halo on the 750.

One thing I want to know for sure is if there's an integrated woofer on the 8 series? I couldn't see why the 750 and 950 would have one but the 8's wouldn't, but I'd like to know for sure since I wouldn't be using a stereo system for sound. Perhaps the slimmer design wouldn't allow enough room for the woofer, but I really hope it has one. I remember from the 750 owners thread that you actually have to play with the settings to turn ON the woofer, it's not an automatic thing, so perhaps that's the case with the 8 series as well?

Anyway, again, appreciate the feedback so far, especially your comparison vs. your XBR2, and look forward to seeing more pics of different scenes and settings.

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Thanks for the post. Cool, I look forward to seeing more pics when you get the chance. It sounds like we're coming from the same position. I'll admit I've always been a Sony guy and my intention was to get the new XBR6, but that is looking extremely unlikely as Sony has suddenly decided not to put their highest-end components into their XBR6 line this year. One will have to get the XBR8 if they want the best of Sony this year I'm afraid.

In any case, I've always liked Sony for their sharp detail and crisp, more natural picture, but I've been very impressed with the Samsungs this year and believe I'm finally ready to step out of my Sony comfort zone. I really want to like the 8 series because I hear they've resolved the issues that the 750's were having, plus I really like their thin design. I don't want to jump into LED tech yet, so the 8 series will be the only option for me if it's going to be a Samsung. I didn't like the bezel on the 650 and don't want to deal with the halo on the 750.

One thing I want to know for sure is if there's an integrated woofer on the 8 series? I couldn't see why the 750 and 950 would have one but the 8's wouldn't, but I'd like to know for sure since I wouldn't be using a stereo system for sound. Perhaps the slimmer design wouldn't allow enough room for the woofer, but I really hope it has one. I remember from the 750 owners thread that you actually have to play with the settings to turn ON the woofer, it's not an automatic thing, so perhaps that's the case with the 8 series as well?

Anyway, again, appreciate the feedback so far, especially your comparison vs. your XBR2, and look forward to seeing more pics of different scenes and settings.

You and I really are coming from the same position. After I realized the XBR4s were out of production, I started looking into the XBR6 line. Same disappointment. When I realized that I was going to be needing to look to the XBR8 to get Sony's latest upgrades, I knew I was going to be out of the ballpark with regards to price. Also, I don't want to be the guinea pig for Sony's LED growing pains either. Hopefully they won't have any, but I just didn't want to deal with that potential can o' worms. Also, the price made it prohibitive for me.

I really liked what I saw with Samsungs and I tried many different ways and in many different visits to the stores to convince myself that the Sonys were better or that I could even live with the sparkles. In the end, I realized that I needed to go with what my eyes were telling me and not with what I would normally purchase out of habit.

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Hey guys. I saw an 850 at Tweeter last night about 5 feet away from an XBR5. The colors on the 850 were so deep and rich, it looked gorgeous. The XBR, however, had sharpness to spare, even at about 25% of in the settings menu.

I returned my 750 to sit in waiting for the XBR6/7/8. I had some annoyances with the 750 (halo, sluggish remote, unadjustable Game mode, and not quite as crisp as I wanted) but I'm still not ruling out 850/950.

The 850 is such an attractive set. Thin, elegant, and full featured. Congrats.
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This is a better representation of what the TV looks like in person. However, this is NOWHERE near as good as the picture looks when you're standing in front of it! Again, consider the limitations of the camera and the cameraman! LOL!





This picture is worlds better than my XBR2. I didn't have the option to compare it to an XBR4/5 as none of my local stores even have them any longer. However, I can tell you the Samsung did compare, and in my eyes, beat the Sony Z and W series. PLUS, this TV has no sparkles.

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Nice new pics man, keep 'em coming. If you could look into the issue of whether the 850 has a built-in woofer that would be awesome. Oh, and does the 850 come with an extended 18 month warranty? Thought I remembered hearing that it would a while back, thanks.

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Nice new pics man, keep 'em coming. If you could look into the issue of whether the 850 has a built-in woofer that would be awesome. Oh, and does the 850 come with an extended 18 month warranty? Thought I remembered hearing that it would a while back, thanks.

No, from what I can find in my materials, the warranty is for one year.

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Here are some pictures taken during night time viewing with no lights on in the living room. I took samples using some different settings. One default and tweaked calibration from the 750 thread.

Before I get to the samples, here are some pictures of the TV at night. I honestly don't remember what settings I had the TV on for these. In one of them, the red E in Wall-E didn't turn out at all. Don't know why, but the red certainly is popping on the TV! Also, the white letters against the black background gave the camera some troubles in the totally dark room. If I'd had more time and patience to play with the ISO settings, etc. it would've turned out better. However, guys, I've got to admit. . . I was dying to just watch this glorious beast!

nice blacks!


I also showed that the red ToC light in front of the Samsung badge can be toggled off


I can't begin to tell you how much better this shot looked live! It really is amazing!




A scene like this would have been a nightmare back in the good ol' cloudy XBR2/3 days! The red really didn't turn out in this shot but that's the camera and not the TV.


One of these is zerog6's calibration and one is default....can you guess which?





same deal here, too:




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Ok, now that more people are expecting delivery of their 850's and 860's, here's the place to post your settings and calibrations. I'm going to check my settings when I get home tonight and post them. I've really got a great picture for night viewing!

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Ok, now that more people are expecting delivery of their 850's and 860's, here's the place to post your settings and calibrations. I'm going to check my settings when I get home tonight and post them. I've really got a great picture for night viewing!

are you watching your tv in standard mode or dynamic mode?
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Here are a few shots from my sammy 850... using zerog's settings:

Speed Racer HD:


Transformers:




Looks pretty good.... no banding/clouding/flashlighting/dead pixels at all... got it from HHGregg for $2700 even.
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Ok, these aren't done to an official calibration, but they are what I've done with very little time on my hands and I've found they work nicely on my set, YMMV.


For Blu Ray

mode: Dynamic
backlight: 4
contrast: 85
brightness: 45
sharpness: 73
color: 55
tint G/R: 50/50
color tone: normal
Digital NR: medium
DNle: on
HDMI black level: normal
film mode: auto
AMP: low
energy saving: auto

I know I'll get better at this, but I am pretty much a noob at calibration. Besides, for right now, I'm just enjoying watching this set. I haven't yet begun to tinker with it, but I'm sure these settings will change.

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I just got my 860 hooked up.

My first impression isn't good. The PQ on both SD and HD is worse than my 2 year old Sony KDF 46E2000.

I only have Direct TV hooked up right now via HDMI. Even on HD channels it's saying it's 1080i and not 1080p, I'm not sure why. When looking though my Direct TV reciever options, the highest it goes it 1080i. Isn't the TV supposed to upscale it? Does Direct TV make a 1080p native reciever?

Trying to search for some settings to try.

When I set it to "Just Scan", I get this odd jumpy line at the top of the screen.
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I believe that DTV has some 1080p On-Demand/PPV stuff coming down the pike soon. For now, 1080i is all your going to see - especially from the broadcast channels. It'll be awhile before you see 1080p broadcast content.

Someone a little more techno geek than myself can explain the 1080i/p conversion that your TV does with the signal.
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I believe that DTV has some 1080p On-Demand/PPV stuff coming down the pike soon. For now, 1080i is all your going to see - especially from the broadcast channels. It'll be awhile before you see 1080p broadcast content.

Someone a little more techno geek than myself can explain the 1080i/p conversion that your TV does with the signal.

So is that why the PQ looks worse to me? My old TV was native 720p. Wouldn't 720p look better than 1080i?
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Anyone know why I can't adjust the HDMI Black Level setting? I've got my Direct TV set top box connected via HDMI. I noticed a lot of users being able to change it in the 750 calibration thread.
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Anyone know why I can't adjust the HDMI Black Level setting? I've got my Direct TV set top box connected via HDMI. I noticed a lot of users being able to change it in the 750 calibration thread.

Sounds like you have some connectivity issues.
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Hi Everyone, first time poster here.. just wondering if anyone has found the best settings for this set, I would appreciate anyone's input. thanks
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Hi Everyone, first time poster here.. just wondering if anyone has found the best settings for this set, I would appreciate anyone's input. thanks

I'm going to probably start with zerog6's settings from the 750 thread and tweak from there. I may also start from scratch with my DVE HD Blu-ray disc and see how close I come to zerog6's settings. His settings seem to be the defacto starting point for most 750 users.

I don't get mine for another 10-14 days so I'll post my results then.
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I'm going to probably start with zerog6's settings from the 750 thread and tweak from there. I may also start from scratch with my DVE HD Blu-ray disc and see how close I come to zerog6's settings. His settings seem to be the defacto starting point for most 750 users.

I don't get mine for another 10-14 days so I'll post my results then.

Thanks I'll definitely try your recommendations. I'll also look forward to your own personal suggestions once you receive your set. best of luck.
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Awesome thread! Just got my 850 this weekend!!
Looking forward to what works best for you guys.
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My 860 should arrive on Monday. I bought it from Cleveland Plasma based much on avsforums and resellerratings. It sounds like it may take some time to "warm up" so I hope to share my display settings sometime soon. I'll probably do the same and base my first run off the 750 settings.

I will be hooking it up to a custom built HTPC running Media Center 2005 (DVI/HDMI) and can't wait to see what it looks like. I am real curious how the Netflix "instant watch now" streaming will look on it, (DRM permitting) especially with the new deal with Starz.

We'll see
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