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post #91 of 3632 Old 09-28-2008, 05:57 PM
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I have never own a Samsung and never will sorry just my preferance. I have seen them in store and while the picture is nice and have alot of features the Sony's do not I have no interest in them. I hate the TOC and glossy screen.

Just curious, what did you think of the Samsung 630 which has no noticeable TOC and has an identical semi-matte/semi-gloss screen to the Sony XBR6? A 46" 630 can be had for over $1,200 less than the 46" XBR6. In which ways do you think the XBR6 is worth the increase? Thanks.

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Thanks for you observations on your XBR6. I'm looking to get one of these but after I can check it out in person. It'd be greatly appreciated if you had any pics to share. Also if you could share what you've experience with any gaming on the sets. Thanks again.

I posted some early pics on page 1. I will try to take more shortly. As for gaming, PS3 looks games loos great! Can't comment on crapbox360
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Just curious, what did you think of the Samsung 630 which has no noticeable TOC and has an identical semi-matte/semi-gloss screen to the Sony XBR6? A 46" 630 can be had for over $1,200 less than the 46" XBR6. In which ways do you think the XBR6 is worth the increase? Thanks.

The 630 has a contrast ratio of 40000:1 the Xbr6 is 50000:1 not sure what other differances. If you are looking for a tv on a budget I am sure that TV would be a solid purchase for you. Check it out. You have 30 days on all purchases at most places.
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The 630 has a contrast ratio of 40000:1 the Xbr6 is 50000:1 not sure what other differances. If you are looking for a tv on a budget I am sure that TV would be a solid purchase for you. Check it out. You have 30 days on all purchases at most places.

I'm not on a budget, but simply looking to make the smartest decision with my money. If it helps to know, I'd be willing to spend a good $3K to $3.5K on a 52" non-LED LCD, as long as it was a smart buy of course. Anyway, I've spent a lot of time calibrating both the Samsungs and Sonys in person and was curious to know your thoughts in how they compared since you mentioned you looked at the Samsungs too. I'm assuming you calibrated both as well?

I think a great comparison is the Samsung 630 vs. the XBR6, especially in your case since you don't care for the TOC (which is understandable) and prefer a semi-gloss screen instead of a full gloss (understandable as well). Seeing as that the 630 fits your criteria, in which ways is the XBR6 worth over $1,200 more? An increased CR of 10,000 isn't noticeable to the naked eye and the XBR6 actually has the same basic Bravia Engine 2 as the V series, Sonys 2nd to lowest-end model, so I'm struggling to see how the XBR6 separates itself even from the V series, much less the Samsung 630 which fits your criteria perfectly? Thanks.

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I am taking delivery of my 52 inch XBR6 tomorrow and I had a quick question. I was reading the operating instructions and the portion that explained how to attach the tv to it's stand stated that this did not apply to the 52 inch model (only the 40 and 46 inch models). I couldn't find anything in the manual about the 52 inch installation. Is there anything special I need to know about the attaching of the stand. I currently have a stand that I used for my 46 inch tv and I will be using it for the time being. I just don't want any surprises tomorrow when the delivery people come. Thanks in advance
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....Overall I am very pleased. I have tried every 46 inch 4100 model in my house this year and while those sets could never fully satisfy me ....

........ In the end I prefer the quality of Sony products, never have let me down. ........


except the s4100, the v4100, the w4100 and the z4100 ?


nevertheless....thanks for the xbr6 feedback. as you go, i assume you will add more to the perspective...if you keep this one.

have you mentioned anything yet about the sound? does the socalled 'woofer', (bit small to be called that i'd think), does it actually add much to the audio quality, i.e. day to day viewing?

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....Overall I am very pleased....

this implies that there are particular things you might not be so pleased with. true? even nit-picky things. care to share?


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Sorry I am not writing on here to get my every word critized. Just give my 2 cents. Take it how you want. The woofer adds to the audio quality very much. Thanks though I felt like I was in college again, having my paper graded

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haven't a clue what you are talking about.

rereading my post, seems friendly enough to me, and not critiquing at all.
so right back at you.



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I was reading the operating instructions and the portion that explained how to attach the tv to it's stand stated that this did not apply to the 52 inch model (only the 40 and 46 inch models).

The 52 comes attached to its stand in the box, so you don't have to attach it yourself.

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Could you let us know if the 52" XBR6 is rigid on its stand, or if it rotates like Samsung's 52" A860 and A850 rotates on its stand?
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Where are the good photos?

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Could you let us know if the 52" XBR6 is rigid on its stand, or if it rotates like Samsung's 52" A860 and A850 rotates on its stand?

The 52XBR6 Stand is fixed, it does not swivel like the 850/860 series Samsung
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I'm not on a budget, but simply looking to make the smartest decision with my money. If it helps to know, I'd be willing to spend a good $3K to $3.5K on a 52" non-LED LCD, as long as it was a smart buy of course. Anyway, I've spent a lot of time calibrating both the Samsungs and Sonys in person and was curious to know your thoughts in how they compared since you mentioned you looked at the Samsungs too. I'm assuming you calibrated both as well?

I think a great comparison is the Samsung 630 vs. the XBR6, especially in your case since you don't care for the TOC (which is understandable) and prefer a semi-gloss screen instead of a full gloss (understandable as well). Seeing as that the 630 fits your criteria, in which ways is the XBR6 worth over $1,200 more? An increased CR of 10,000 isn't noticeable to the naked eye and the XBR6 actually has the same basic Bravia Engine 2 as the V series, Sonys 2nd to lowest-end model, so I'm struggling to see how the XBR6 separates itself even from the V series, much less the Samsung 630 which fits your criteria perfectly? Thanks.

I too am greatly waiting this one out as I know I will purchase either the 630 or the XBR6. I am more than willing to spend the extra for the Sony if it is worth it. To me if you compare the 630 to the XBR4 or 4100w there is no comparison as save the money and get as good if not better tv in the 630. So I am just waiting to see the XBR6 in person and here more people with their hands on impresions of the PQ. To me the 10,000 more contrast is blah blah blah that does not constitute paying all the extra money.
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Ok, so for those of you fortunate to have the 46" or 52", how does the PIP work when connected to a cable box ? I have a Motorola DTC 6412 and am trying to figure out how (or if) the PIP will work on the 46" set, the Sony sales reps are completely clueless.

Any ideas anyone ?
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I just got the 52" XBR6 last week and have overall been impressed.

What do you guys recommend for settings? I mean like should I turn
off all the motion enhancer, black corrector and all of those other
things? Do they help with the picture or mess with it?

Blu-Ray looks amazing on this tv, so does the ps3. My television, which is
ATT Uverse is okay. The HD isn't all that impressive. I don't think it is the tv since I am getting such good picture on the PS3.
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Could you let us know if the 52" XBR6 is rigid on its stand, or if it rotates like Samsung's 52" A860 and A850 rotates on its stand?

We set one up for a client in our area the other day and the stand is stable and secure. Very nice unit overall.
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Ok, so for those of you fortunate to have the 46" or 52", how does the PIP work when connected to a cable box ? I have a Motorola DTC 6412 and am trying to figure out how (or if) the PIP will work on the 46" set, the Sony sales reps are completely clueless.

Any ideas anyone ?

I have no idea. I use Directv and HDMI
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I just received my 52 xbr6 today. It replaced a 40 inch Sony XBR1. My overall early impression is that it is one heck of a tv. I'm not a video pro by any means, but I think I know significantly more than the average tv buyer. I did have time to do a quick calibration with hd video essentials dvd. I do plan to calibrate more thoroughly with the greyscale for dummies tutorial in the coming weeks. I'll post my pros/cons and settings below. If you have any questions, fire away.

PROS:
1. I like the style a lot. I guess this is just a matter of taste.
2. The tv has a ton of picture controls. Considerably more than my previous set. I'm loking forward to the challenge of calibrating it.
3. I think cinemotion is very effective, but it almost works too well on high, so I leave it on standard.
4. The colors are vibrant and rich, and my direct tv hd picture is very good. I watched "face off" on blu ray and it was incredible.
5. So far live sports are amazing. Watched the White Sox game on WGN and the picture was great. Crrently watching MNF and the picture is significantly improved from my old set, even though I'm not a big fan of ESPN's hd broadcasts.
6. The extra 12 inches of viewing area really makes a bigger difference that I thought.

CONS
1. SD broadcasts are fair to good. Nothing special but Ididn't expect anything special.
2. The viewing angle could be a problem. For me, my viewing room is small and it won't be an issue, but you do lose color and clarity when you are off angle.

SETTINGS : I calibrated 2 different settings. One on Standard and 1 on Cinema.

Standard Cinema

backlight 5 4
picture 87 80
brightness 50 48
color 59 55
temp neutral warm 1
sharpness 15 15
noise red. off off
mpeg nr low off
black corr. off off
advanced c.e. off off
clear white off off
color space wide standard
live color off n/a
I haven't touched the white balance controls yet. I hope this helps
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Its funny I was just at my local C.C. and when viewing the MNF game on ESPN HD, the Sony KDL-52XBR6 looked better than the Samsung LN52A850. Now I have no idea what the settings were at on either set and from what people are saying the A850 has better picture hands down over the XBR6 but that's not what I saw. Again its probably not a fair evaluation of either set because you have to take into consideration the signal is being split to multiple tv's and not sure if they were at their best settings. I was impressed with the look of the Sony KLD-52XBR6 and am waiting to see what the new XBR8 looks like.
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110 posts in and no pics yet?

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CONS
1. SD broadcasts are fair to good. Nothing special but Ididn't expect anything special.
2. The viewing angle could be a problem. For me, my viewing room is small and it won't be an issue, but you do lose color and clarity when you are off angle.

Thanks for the details! Question: How far off angle can you go before you lose color and clarity? I need to go to about 45 degrees off center -- will this be a problem?
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I think the viewing angle holds color pretty well. 45 degrees looks fine, maybe a little loss of color, but barely noticeable for me.
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110 posts in and no pics yet?


I have been really busy to sit and take pictures. I plan to soon once I get some time.
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Today, I went to the Sony Style store with laptop in hand. I plugged into the Sony KDL52XBR6, turned on my WMP media share and played the pictures on the TV. The interface is a DLNA compliant media client engine that worked flawlessly. The picutres were sized correctly and looked beautiful. These pictures happen to be taken with a very nice camera with all the full feature rich sizing turned on.

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52"XBR6

I was able to get this TV delivered through the SONY Friends and Family Employee program. So needless to say, the price really sold me on deciding to buy this TV.

I have owned it for a couple of weeks now and I am pretty excited about it.

Like someone else mentioned in this thread, it isn't the most perfect TV. But the CONs are so very minimal to pass this TV by.

As a picky person, let me be up-front.

CONDITIONS:
1) I previously owned a 52LN650A Samsung. I returned it after the lamp went out during the first week. I returned a second one after the TV keep rebooting itself in 1-5 min intervals in any input channel. (sounds like I just had bad luck with it, but discussion on this set is for another thread)
2) I am an avid Gamer. (PS3 HDMI. Xbox 360 Component.)
3) PS3 is also my primary Blu-Ray player.
4) I do not use a cable box for TV viewing. I simply have basic cable plugged directly into the TV.
5) I sit 8' from the set in a small room.
6) No HD Reciever for audio. I use the TV speakers.
7) I have not calibrated it yet. Picture is set to Standard with Neutral color.


CONS:
1) Game Mode:
I have to now switch back and forth from game mode on/off when gaming and watching movies. Its minimal but cumbersome since there isn't an instant Game-Mode button on the remote. The game mode switch is deep in the menu.

2) Audio:
The TV Speakers sound Great for the small room that I am in. There is no rattling or cracking of the speakers. However, occasionally when booting up my PS3 there isn't any audio coming through. I am forced to re-boot the PS3 (holding down the power button to cycle through default configurations) to re-configure the Dolby audio channel. I am wondering if it has to do with the sequence on how I turn on the TV and PS3 together. Maybe the TV has to be on all the way before the PS3 should be turned on for it to recognize the Dolby PS3 configuration? I am not sure.
I am still urgently looking for a solution for this.

3) Standard Def TV:
Bluntly, it doesn't look great but its acceptable for me since I don't watch much TV. However, the HD channels that come in look very good. I am thankful that the TV tuner even picks up preimum channels that I didn't pay for previously.


PROS:
1) Even without calibration, HD channels and Blu-Ray look amazing. DVDs through the PS3 also look great!

2) No sparkles!

3) The TV is quite as a mouse. My PS3 is way louder =X

4) The speakers sound great like I mentioned before. Very audible even at high volumes. I am happy that it's Dobly.

5) 1080i looks great. I don't have equipment to measure but I have a hard time telling the difference between 1080i and 1080p with this TV.

6) There is no glare/gloss.

7) I got Rock Band working on PS3 with out any lag whatso ever. (Drum fill or otherwise) Game Mode on TV. Dobly Digital Check Mark Box disabled in the Rock Band Game settings. I tried both ways with Dolby on and off and I honestly couldn't tell that much of a difference in audio in the room I was in. Especially while banging away on drums.)

8) Reduced Price. I was able to get this set for ~$2660. It was within my price range. I figured that if I was going to wait for the current retail prices to drop, I probably wouldn't see them until post holiday season.
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Today, I went to the Sony Style store with laptop in hand. I plugged into the Sony KDL52XBR6, turned on my WMP media share and played the pictures on the TV. The interface is a DLNA compliant media client engine that worked flawlessly. The picutres were sized correctly and looked beautiful. These pictures happen to be taken with a very nice camera with all the full feature rich sizing turned on.

i don think thats gonna be a selling point
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i don think thats gonna be a selling point

To me it would be. That's one thing that swayed me to try the Samsung. The docs indicated that the DLNA supported most of the popular video formats. I do have some that it will not play, but those are few.

Last night I just discovered that ALL the MPEG's created by my Sony Vaio GigaPocket software play on the TV. Previously these would only play on my Sony computers. I figured it was using some proprietary codec because I could never play them on other PC's. So I was shocked that the Samsung played them.

I had heard that the Sony only did photo's and music. Maybe that was pre-XBR6.
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i don think thats gonna be a selling point

I guess it really depends. I am eager and working on a full functional networked home. This is a step closer.

My wife uses wedding cake pictures in a slide show through a computer video out hook up. When I showed her what it looked like coming through a Directv HD DVR to the TV, she was amazed. Now she uses that and as the customer is looking and picking some to review, my wife is copying the selected ones to another folder for further picking.

This is a selling point in my environment. Not to mention how nice it is to just pick up the remote put on some slideshows of the grand kids and jam out to Pink Floyd.

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No one will have the 52xbr here till the 19 of Oct. Now you all know I from Canada...lol.

When come to electronic (New), Canada s..k alway late compare to State.
Good for you people.

I might take a 8 hrs drive and come and pick it up if BB,cc have them in stock.
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I bought the 52xbr6 yesterday from BB. Used a 10% off downloadable coupon, so decent price for a purchase so close to the release. Doesn't fit in my convertible, so have to wait for Saturday for delivery -- couldn't miss work to allow a sooner delivery. Sucks waiting.

Before buying, saw the 52xbr6 on display several times on three different days comparing it next to a 52" 650, 850, w4100 and 630. Although I had been disappointed with the off angle viewing color washout, especially with reds, I ultimately choose the xbr6 for a number of reasons. One was the detail compared to the others mentioned. At first wasn't noticing much difference -- not that great of a feed via component split among to many tvs. Was watching a baseball game and saw the infield grass, the type cut in rows in alternating directions causing a differnet shade of green from one view versus the row next to it. There was a huge noticable difference in the detail of the individual blades of grass versus the 650, 850 w4100 and 630. Obvious difference in pq and detail.

Will have the tv set-up in time for weekend's playoff games. Cannot wait.
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