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post #271 of 5590 Old 10-21-2008, 12:36 PM
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Actually, there is a cnet review:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...rColumnArea1.1

Bottomline of the review was: XBR8 is better than 950 but still not as good as Kuro

He was talking about cnet review of Sharp XS-1
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I can answer that for myself - if the 55" XBR8 was priced below $5000 where it belongs (in line with the original pricing on the 950, just 10-20% more) - in that case, I would already have one in my living room. However, at $7K it is priced as a superior product when it is just marginally better. It could warrant $7K if it was 1 inch deep, everything else being the same (just my opinion). Sony just priced themselves out - you can see that, nobody is buying this set. I don't know what's up with Sony, they act as if they don't want to sell any. Not allowing discount by retailers is even more stup1d - a lot of people would not buy electronics at MSRP no matter what, and that doesn't help. I have had as much as 30% off of high-priced ($5K+) home electronics, buying at list price is just nuts. There is a good reason for list prices - buyers that don't know too much will pay that, and knowledgeable buyers will go for a deal and buy the product at discount. Sony it seems would rather eliminate that significant % of buyers. Oh well

Sorry guys for OT-ing the discussion with backlight/Sharp posts. I generally don't like to do that, but it was just natural to respond to posts. In any case, I think this thread should be renamed - it is NOT owners thread (there are almost no owners anyway), and even the guy that started it doesn't own XBR8. We may as well just keep the discussion going, and when someone buys XBR8 and is enthusiastic about it - they can start a new *real* owners thread and update the 1st post, etc.

To me the important discussion is what is the best LCD TV to buy right now, and I've posted on several threads. The main contender seemed to be the XBR8 - but it is eliminated by price, the 950 - has some downsides, and now the Sharp XS1 - promising but unknown.


Well said st_op_, about your first paragraph. I don't know anything about the Sharps. And your right the guy who STARTED (NOT vangorkomm), does not own an XBR8. From what I'm guessing now.

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Anyway, any other updates from current owners? Gaming consoles, AV Recever, BluRay players, Satellite Receivers, HDMI connections in general, still all playing well with each other?

This set replace a XBR2 with a Sony AVR, DirecTV HDDVR and a Denon BD player. No problems with the Satellite passed through the AVR via HDMI, but there appear to be some HDMI issues with both BD's and DVD's using the Denon. I use analog audio and HDMI video, again passed through the AVR. I replace the HDMI cable yesterday and it was not a fix. Curious is that audio and video drop out, mostly during transitions and menus (has not affected any movies during play). I'm not sure why audio would drop out due to an HDMI issue, if I am using analog. I have not yet tried to go HDMI direct from the player to the display, but that will be next.
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Well, grumble, brumble... hrmmm, grumble. Just from reading the XBR8 review and its comparison with the Kuro and even other LCDs (eg the CNET review referenced earlier).. I'm still not willing to make the purchase of any flat panel set and will continue to stick with my satisfactory 22" Trinitron tube SD set for now.

Given that where the set will be mounted on the wall, there will be:
1) Significant off-axis viewing; I want great picture 40 degrees to either side of straight on
2) Windows 12 feet away from the screen, facing the screen, so daylight coming at it
3) lights in the ceiling to either side of the screen location in the evening/night

(its a wide room open on one side to the kitchen)


I just cannot see either an LCD or Plasma working well enough, for the money being charged, to not disappoint, in some major way.

The XBR8 has crappy off-angle viewing (according to CNET) that results in significant loss of black level and color saturation
The Plasmas have bad brightly lit viewing and reflective glass screens (windows and lamps).
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Sorry guys for OT-ing the discussion with backlight/Sharp posts. I generally don't like to do that, but it was just natural to respond to posts. In any case, I think this thread should be renamed - it is NOT owners thread (there are almost no owners anyway), and even the guy that started it doesn't own XBR8. We may as well just keep the discussion going, and when someone buys XBR8 and is enthusiastic about it - they can start a new *real* owners thread and update the 1st post, etc.

Come on man. Indeed, this thread became more like potenial owners thread and from very good reasons. XBR8 sets just appeared and are extremely expensive. People with lots of money who buy them are not typical avs crowd so very limited owners reporting. But there are already owners reports and more will be coming. Since there is no tradition of potential owners threads here, this owners thread is natural and it actually may help somebody active here to make the decision of becoming full reporting owner. BTW, the most active owners threads are those where people found issues with their sets. Thus, no issues means thin owners thread.
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I want another opinion besides cnet. cant always trust them, never liked there settings either,

Should be coming soon. I expect one from Home Theater or Sound and Vision anytime. However, I thought review was fairly reasonable. They called it the second best TV in the market
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sharpone, thanks for the review. No matter how small it still helps. I am thinking it was the blu ray. Next time you go back there, have them put on a different movie like POTC or an animated flick.

Same boat as you, the price is too much for me to even consider. I love the samsung 950, but if the sony was around the same price than I would probably do alot more examining of the two.

Yeah, next time I go, I might even take a BluRay with me....maybe Casino Royale or the AC/DC Live at Donington disc...or maybe both, lol. That will probably be a while though, as the store is about 30 miles away from home. Only reason for another visit is huge price drop on the 55XBR8 or the release of the 52XBR7....more waiting.
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Tele-TV, I think it is safe to say most people in the high-end LCD market today would get the xbr8 if it was priced $2k lower. If you trust CNET reviews, it is the best LCD out right now. But some of the reasons you mentioned for why you want it can probably be met by even cheaper tvs, depending on how much of a videophile you are.

Thanks Scottman for replying. I would have to agree with you. I'd probably be enjoying 55XBR8 goodness if it was in the $5-5.5K range. It's still a little more than I REALLY want to spend, but not so far off that it's outta control. IDEALLY, I'd like to be in the $4-4.5K range....or less of course.
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I forgot to mention that I did also notice the off angle viewing washout. If I had to guess I would say it is somewhere in the 40-45 degree range. A minimal distance off center, I did not notice much. When/If I go back to ABT, I will try to get some measured distances from my own home setup to see if it will be a problem with the TV.

Most of my viewing will be straight on, and gaming will most certainly be center viewed. However when the whole family is gathered for a movie, sometimes I have to give up the premium seat.

lol, one suggestion to combat the off angle wash out is to turn the picture setting to Vivid, and the wash out is hardly noticeable...after your retinas stop burning. It's funny, the salesman I was talking to agreed that the Vivid setting was waaaaaay too bright so we switched to custom and tweaked it slightly. Another salesman was showing some old folks the set as I was leaving and requested that it be set back to Vivid. I forgot why he said to do it, but it was something pretty stupid. That was when I noticed the washout didn't seem to be quite as severe.

Perhaps the washout can be controlled a bit with slightly higher brightness, contrast, whatever settings. One more thing to investigate.
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I spent a lot of time comparing the 55" XBR8 it directly with the 50" Kuro. I had read the CNET review before the comparison, so I was biased. My viewing environment was at Magnolia Hi-Fi in Bellevue, WA and the guys there gave me all the time in the world to adjust lighting, content, etc. until I felt like I had done a reasonable comparison between the two.

My impressions was that the XBR8 picture was superior in every aspect. The side-angle viewing degradation on the XBR8 was only apparent at angles greater than 50 degrees off center, and that's a non-issue for me.

I bought the XBR8, had it delivered on Sunday, and watch the new Blu-Ray edition of Godfather I on it Sunday night. Absolutely fantastic experience. Colors are beautiful, and the red colors are especially amazing.

Only flaw I've seen so far: I have a straight HDMI hookup from Sony BDP-350 to Sony STR-DA3400ES receiver to the XBR8, and I have the "control over HDMI" feature turned on. I've set the TV to use "external speakers only", which means the on-set speakers are turned off, and volume control is sent to the DA3400ES by the TV. Works great, except if you pause the DVD/BluRay then restart it, the TV turns it's internal speakers back on. Not sure why that happens, but it sure seems like a firmware bug that can hopefully be fixed with an upgrade.

Other than that minor detail, absolutely satisfied with the purchase so far.

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I spent a lot of time comparing the 55" XBR8 it directly with the 50" Kuro. I had read the CNET review before the comparison, so I was biased. My viewing environment was at Magnolia Hi-Fi in Bellevue, WA and the guys there gave me all the time in the world to adjust lighting, content, etc. until I felt like I had done a reasonable comparison between the two.

My impressions was that the XBR8 picture was superior in every aspect. The side-angle viewing degradation on the XBR8 was only apparent at angles greater than 50 degrees off center, and that's a non-issue for me.

I bought the XBR8, had it delivered on Sunday, and watch the new Blu-Ray edition of Godfather I on it Sunday night. Absolutely fantastic experience. Colors are beautiful, and the red colors are especially amazing.

Only flaw I've seen so far: I have a straight HDMI hookup from Sony BDP-350 to Sony STR-DA3400ES receiver to the XBR8, and I have the "control over HDMI" feature turned on. I've set the TV to use "external speakers only", which means the on-set speakers are turned off, and volume control is sent to the DA3400ES by the TV. Works great, except if you pause the DVD/BluRay then restart it, the TV turns it's internal speakers back on. Not sure why that happens, but it sure seems like a firmware bug that can hopefully be fixed with an upgrade.

Other than that minor detail, absolutely satisfied with the purchase so far.

Fantastic! Someone else who actually owns this set. Have you watched more than one movie? Please keep informed as to whether you have any AV dropouts during BD or DVD playback. I have a Denon 3800 BDCI player through a 5300ES AVR to the XBR8, and many movies have multiple AV dropouts during menus and transitions. It has not been a problem during the actual movies themselves. I have not yet tried HDMI directly to the display to see if the problem resolves. It does not happen with OTA or Satellite television programming.
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the only dropouts I experience are known issues: for example, if I do something that invokes the on-screen UI from the DA3400ES, it will cut the HDMI feed & display its' own menu instead.

Other than that, no dropouts, no glitches, nothing.

I've only had it since sunday, so only one movie so far. I also watched the first disc of "When We Left Earth" on BluRay, no issues there either. I'll probably watch something tonight & report back if I notice anything.

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Tiredguy,

That was cool that Magnolia Hi-Fi AV (stand alone) let you adjust the ambient lightining. That's something you think I would have asked them the many time I called them. I will be definitely taking a trip down there before I buy either set. Or both?? of them at the same time. I asked at one of my local Sony Style stores if I could just the ambient lighting in their little showroom, but they said there was no way they could.

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I spent a lot of time comparing the 55" XBR8 it directly with the 50" Kuro. I had read the CNET review before the comparison, so I was biased. My viewing environment was at Magnolia Hi-Fi in Bellevue, WA and the guys there gave me all the time in the world to adjust lighting, content, etc. until I felt like I had done a reasonable comparison between the two.

My impressions was that the XBR8 picture was superior in every aspect. The side-angle viewing degradation on the XBR8 was only apparent at angles greater than 50 degrees off center, and that's a non-issue for me.

I bought the XBR8, had it delivered on Sunday, and watch the new Blu-Ray edition of Godfather I on it Sunday night. Absolutely fantastic experience. Colors are beautiful, and the red colors are especially amazing.

Only flaw I've seen so far: I have a straight HDMI hookup from Sony BDP-350 to Sony STR-DA3400ES receiver to the XBR8, and I have the "control over HDMI" feature turned on. I've set the TV to use "external speakers only", which means the on-set speakers are turned off, and volume control is sent to the DA3400ES by the TV. Works great, except if you pause the DVD/BluRay then restart it, the TV turns it's internal speakers back on. Not sure why that happens, but it sure seems like a firmware bug that can hopefully be fixed with an upgrade.

Other than that minor detail, absolutely satisfied with the purchase so far.

Excellent. Are you too tired to post some pictures?

Would love to see the set.

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I forgot to mention that I did also notice the off angle viewing washout. If I had to guess I would say it is somewhere in the 40-45 degree range. A minimal distance off center, I did not notice much. When/If I go back to ABT, I will try to get some measured distances from my own home setup to see if it will be a problem with the TV.

Actually with both the XBR8 and 950 and even the 850 I don't have an issue with the off angle viewing within the 40deg you state. However, that changes drastically with low APL scenes. Definite sweet spot with low APL material (especially containing localized bright areas).

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I spent a lot of time comparing the 55" XBR8 it directly with the 50" Kuro. I had read the CNET review before the comparison, so I was biased. My viewing environment was at Magnolia Hi-Fi in Bellevue, WA and the guys there gave me all the time in the world to adjust lighting, content, etc. until I felt like I had done a reasonable comparison between the two.

My impressions was that the XBR8 picture was superior in every aspect. The side-angle viewing degradation on the XBR8 was only apparent at angles greater than 50 degrees off center, and that's a non-issue for me.

I bought the XBR8, had it delivered on Sunday, and watch the new Blu-Ray edition of Godfather I on it Sunday night. Absolutely fantastic experience. Colors are beautiful, and the red colors are especially amazing.

Only flaw I've seen so far: I have a straight HDMI hookup from Sony BDP-350 to Sony STR-DA3400ES receiver to the XBR8, and I have the "control over HDMI" feature turned on. I've set the TV to use "external speakers only", which means the on-set speakers are turned off, and volume control is sent to the DA3400ES by the TV. Works great, except if you pause the DVD/BluRay then restart it, the TV turns it's internal speakers back on. Not sure why that happens, but it sure seems like a firmware bug that can hopefully be fixed with an upgrade.

Other than that minor detail, absolutely satisfied with the purchase so far.

Will the XBR8 permit audio output concurrently through the built-in speakers and toslink audio out?
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I ordered the 46" XBR8 today and the new Sony HTIB Blu-Ray, the BDV-IT1000ES, from a Sony Cierge (I have a Qualia 006, thus the Cierge).

The XBR8 will be replacing a Sony 42" XBR900 (plasma) that is in my bedroom and is 5 years old. The plasma developed a vertical black stripe on the left side of the screen. I was told it can be repaired for $500. If so, it will go to my sister and her family.

I am expecting delivery at the end of the month after I return from a trip (going to see the Chargers play in London!)

I'll post photos and a review in a few weeks. Seems like some owners will be populating this thread
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I spent a lot of time comparing the 55" XBR8 it directly with the 50" Kuro. I had read the CNET review before the comparison, so I was biased. My viewing environment was at Magnolia Hi-Fi in Bellevue, WA and the guys there gave me all the time in the world to adjust lighting, content, etc. until I felt like I had done a reasonable comparison between the two.
My impressions was that the XBR8 picture was superior in every aspect. The side-angle viewing degradation on the XBR8 was only apparent at angles greater than 50 degrees off center, and that's a non-issue for me.

I bought the XBR8, had it delivered on Sunday, and watch the new Blu-Ray edition of Godfather I on it Sunday night. Absolutely fantastic experience. Colors are beautiful, and the red colors are especially amazing.


Congratulations and enjoy it!

Just to continue the discussion iin line with the thread topic:

1. Which Kuro have you compared with? The latest one? This is just to clarify before the Kuro defenders retaliate

2. Have you noticed any blooming? Not to be anal and destroy the pleasure but for objective information.

3. Is the viewing angle problem more visible when watching in the dark? Again, this is just for evaluation, not to spoil your satisfaction.

4. Any motion artefacts?
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Will the XBR8 permit audio output concurrently through the built-in speakers and toslink audio out?


I don't know. I'm using the device as a monitor only (I'm not using the built-in cable tuner) and I'm also using HDMI exclusively, haven't hooked up a toslink cable.

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Congratulations and enjoy it!

Just to continue the discussion iin line with the thread topic:

1. Which Kuro have you compared with? The latest one? This is just to clarify before the Kuro defenders retaliate

I compared it to the Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD. I believe that's the latest one available?

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2. Have you noticed any blooming? Not to be anal and destroy the pleasure but for objective information.

If you really want to see blooming, you can get really close to the monitor and find it in certain situations. For example, if you watch 2.35:1 aspect ratio movies that leave the black bar at the top of the screen, you'll see a very slight amount of blooming at the edge of the black bar. But you've to to know what you're looking for and really look to see it. If you're just watching TV, you'll never notice it. I've got some pictures that I took of the "When we left Earth" series that have some good shots of the Earth against deep space that really show off the contrast ratio, I'll try to post them later today.

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3. Is the viewing angle problem more visible when watching in the dark? Again, this is just for evaluation, not to spoil your satisfaction.

I dunno. I do most of my TV watching from the front, not from the side. I didn't notice it when walking into & out of the room from the side of the TV.

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4. Any motion artefacts?

Haven't noticed any yet. Haven't watched much fast-action content such as sports yet, though....

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I spent a lot of time comparing the 55" XBR8 it directly with the 50" Kuro. I had read the CNET review before the comparison, so I was biased. My viewing environment was at Magnolia Hi-Fi in Bellevue, WA and the guys there gave me all the time in the world to adjust lighting, content, etc. until I felt like I had done a reasonable comparison between the two.

My impressions was that the XBR8 picture was superior in every aspect. The side-angle viewing degradation on the XBR8 was only apparent at angles greater than 50 degrees off center, and that's a non-issue for me.

I bought the XBR8, had it delivered on Sunday, and watch the new Blu-Ray edition of Godfather I on it Sunday night. Absolutely fantastic experience. Colors are beautiful, and the red colors are especially amazing.

Only flaw I've seen so far: I have a straight HDMI hookup from Sony BDP-350 to Sony STR-DA3400ES receiver to the XBR8, and I have the "control over HDMI" feature turned on. I've set the TV to use "external speakers only", which means the on-set speakers are turned off, and volume control is sent to the DA3400ES by the TV. Works great, except if you pause the DVD/BluRay then restart it, the TV turns it's internal speakers back on. Not sure why that happens, but it sure seems like a firmware bug that can hopefully be fixed with an upgrade.

Other than that minor detail, absolutely satisfied with the purchase so far.

Great review. How did Samsung 950 factor into your decision making? Did you consider it as an option at all?
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Great review. How did Samsung 950 factor into your decision making? Did you consider it as an option at all?

The 950 wasn't on my radar. Didn't look at it at all.

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Some photos for those who were asking. These are all from the 3rd disc of "When we left Earth". Most of these are high-def video or still photos taken from space, and most show the Earth silhouetted against deeps space for the ultimate in contrast demonstration.

Taken in a dim (but not completely dark) room. In some shots, you'll see the wall behind the TV dimly lit.
















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TiredGuy,

Thanks for the pics. Looks awsome. Maybe i missed it but what size XBR8 did you get? 46" or 55"? Did you get retail price for it?
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It's the 55" and I paid 10% off MSRP for it.

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Hi everybody,

To the lucky owners of this set,

I have a 46XBR8 on order (actually, a european 46X4500 - excuse my poor english) but one thing bothers me. I watched a demo in a local store. At some point, there was a transition from a bright scene to a moderatly dark scene. I could clearly see the whole backlight dimming with a 1/2 second delay. It didn't look very natural.

I would like to know if this "global dimming" effect happens a lot, and, in general, if the dimming actually happens locally rather than globally.

Finally, does the set still have a superior picture when LED local dimming is off?

Thank you!
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It's the 55" and I paid 10% off MSRP for it.

Well at least that's a start. It's still a ways off from where I'd like to be price wise. Still, I would be interested in as many of the purchasing details as you would care to reveal. Would you mind PM'ing me with that information?

I only took a look at one of the pictures, but it looked good.

What's your take on the angle wash out? Does that change at all in that dimly lit room you took the pictures in?

Congratulations on your new purchase...enjoy!
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Hi everybody,

To the lucky owners of this set,

I have a 46XBR8 on order (actually, a european 46X4500 - excuse my poor english) but one thing bothers me. I watched a demo in a local store. At some point, there was a transition from a bright scene to a moderatly dark scene. I could clearly see the whole backlight dimming with a 1/2 second delay. It didn't look very natural.

I would like to know if this "global dimming" effect happens a lot, and, in general, if the dimming actually happens locally rather than globally.

Finally, does the set still have a superior picture when LED local dimming is off?

Thank you!

Enjoy your TV Old Camper.

1. Was the Auto Light Sensor On? I'm not sure if this would make a difference. Just wondering. Thanks.

2. Any movies you guys recommend with a lot of dark scene transitions. With your great help I will make good in taking the DVD to try out on a XBR8 to see if I notice the same problems. Will check Auto Light Sensor, ACE, and black enhancer.

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I was kind of hoping to see another owner & review on this website already, but guess not. The only person who came close had to return it because of cosmetic problems. Heres hoping for another honest review in the near future on the website.

I am going to preface all this by saying right off the bat that I am neither a techie nor a pro. However, I am discriminating in my tastes and I do care very much about the quality and performance of my display and I have a pretty good eye. That said, I did just take delivery on the 46" XBR8. This is my 4th or 5th Sony and I have yet to be disappointed with any of them. I've only had a few days with it and I have not tinkered much. All I can say at this point is WOW and that's just looking at this set out of the box! I really love this set. Sure I wish the price was lower but in the end I think it will be money well spent. The picture as far as I am concerned is the best I have ever seen. Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs are stunningly beautiful. I imagine things will only get better as I am going to have one of the best ISF calibrators out there come over in early December to calibrate the set. In the next few days I will try and play around with some of the settings. The set is a bit thicker than I had expected but that's really no big deal at all. I've got it mounted on the wall and even off it looks fantastic.
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Will the XBR8 permit audio output concurrently through the built-in speakers and toslink audio out?

Pretty sure Sony's line all have fixed audio out. Answer is yes?

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