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post #91 of 384 Old 12-22-2008, 08:42 PM
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Did some one see 70 inch xbr7 @ sony metreon in SFO down town?
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i finally decided to purchase my first hdtv and it will be a 40" xbr7. i will be getting it tomorrow. i had a hard time deciding on what to get but i was completely sold on the xbr7 looks. simply beautiful to my eyes. i'm planing to hook up a ps3 via hdmi for blue ray and some gaming. i know this thread might not be the best place to ask questions about hdmi cables but i think someone will be able to clarify things. i got my hands on a monster hdmi 800hd cable from my friend but he told me that i wouldn't be able to use on my tv because it was made for 60hz panels or it wouldn't work at it's best performance. he recommended that i'd buy a more expensive cable that was made for 120hz cables. as i said before, this is my first step into the hd world so i really don't know what to believe. i personally don't think that the different
refresh rates will make a difference. so, should i use the cable i already have or should i buy another cable?
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The LCD panel run at those rates. The signal through the cable does not.
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i finally decided to purchase my first hdtv and it will be a 40" xbr7.. i personally don't think that the different
refresh rates will make a difference. so, should i use the cable i already have or should i buy another cable?

Congrats on the new TV! I love mine.

We bought our HDMI from monoprice.com. I got it in two days and the price was more than 1/10th of the monster cable. The cable is extremely heavy-duty and it works just fine.

My understanding is that the refresh rate is the refresh rate on the TV regardless of what data is being sent to it. (bluray, gaming, TV signals, etc).
Either the cable that you have will work or it won't.

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i cant wait to get my hands on that tv. i'm counting every second now. thanks for clarifying the cable issue. i hope i don't get a set with clouding issues as some of you have reported on here or dead pixels. is there any way to check right away if the set has clouding problems or dead pixels?
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i got my hands on a monster hdmi 800hd cable from my friend but he told me that i wouldn't be able to use on my tv because it was made for 60hz panels or it wouldn't work at it's best performance. he recommended that i'd buy a more expensive cable that was made for 120hz cables. as i said before, this is my first step into the hd world so i really don't know what to believe. i personally don't think that the different refresh rates will make a difference. so, should i use the cable i already have or should i buy another cable?

He shouldn't be your friend. The 800HD should be more than enough.
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is there any way to check right away if the set has clouding problems or dead pixels?

You could turn the set on and look?
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You could turn the set on and look?


Yes. You will see them right away. I noticed the clouding on the first set I took home within seconds of turning it on. It was that obvious. (see photos earlier in this thread)
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it seems like i received one of the worst xbr7s best buy had in their warehouse. the clouding on the set was worse than the posted pictures on here. lots of dead pixels and the set had obviously been used before. there were tons of scratches on the bezel and fingerprints on the screen. i went back to the store and demanded a replacement. hopefully this next set will actually be a new set and problem free. on a positive note, the tv's picture quality is worth every penny!
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Sorry to hear BB pulled a fast one. Are you near a style store?
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no, why?
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Sonystyle, Amazon direct, Crutchfield, and ABT are all showing the 52XBR7 in stock and ready to ship. A couple B&M's have it on display as well.

Anyone have plans to pick this up?

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For those considering the Sony 40" XBR7, I thought I would post as to why I purchased it over the very comparable 40" XBR6.

Here are the key reasons:

1. Styling -- the 40" XBR7 has the XBR8 series styling with the speakers on the left and right sides of the screen (as opposed to the bottom of the screen), which I preferred from a strictly styling perspective.

2. Sound -- according the Sonystyle.com, the XBR7 has more speakers (6) versus the XBR6 (4). In addition, the left and right placement of the speakers I believe improves the overall stereo effect as well.

3. Processing -- the 40" XBR7 has Digital Reality Creation (DRC) settings for 480i sources, which is great for handling standard cable upscaling. Once set, standard def. via cable looks quite good.

Picture-wise, from a high-def source like blu-ray, performance I would say are very similar between the two: both are stellar once calibrated. The XBR7 might have a slightly wider viewing angle (before the brightness gets washed out) than the XBR6, although this is just my personal experience and opinion.

The 40" XBR7 works best if you want a high-end tv for a small apartment or bedroom, watch a good amount of standard def material (in addition to high def), and don't need or have the space for a separate home theater system. From a pure value perspective, consider the XBR6 which is a great set as well. Hope this helps all those out there considering these two sets.

Calibration-wise, here is what I would recommend:

Use the XBR6 CNET settings which works wonderfully for the 40" XBR7 (Link: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...?tag=mncol;txt).

Picture menu:
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 2
Picture: 90
Brightness: 51
Color: 54
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Warm2
Sharpness: 5
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off

Advanced Settings menu:
Black Corrector: Off
Advanced C.E.: Off
Gamma: Low
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: Off (grayed out)

White Balance menu:
R-Gain: -3
G-Gain: -4
B-Gain: -1
R-Bias: -2
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0

Motion Enhancer: Off
CineMotion: Auto 1
Game Mode: Off
Video/Photo Optimizer: Video

General Setup menu
Power Saver: Off
Light Sensor: Off

For DRC for a standard cable source, I am using this:

DRC: High Density
DRC Settings: Reality: 29 and Clarity: 9
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Just saw the Sony KDL-70XBR7 this past weekened and . That LCD TV is ginormus! lol And you can't miss it since you can see it a few miles away. lol

Pic quality is great but unless that set can drive you from point A to B don't think it's worth the price tag. Just my 2 cents.
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it seems like i received one of the worst xbr7s best buy had in their warehouse. the clouding on the set was worse than the posted pictures on here. lots of dead pixels and the set had obviously been used before. there were tons of scratches on the bezel and fingerprints on the screen. i went back to the store and demanded a replacement. hopefully this next set will actually be a new set and problem free. on a positive note, the tv's picture quality is worth every penny!



Wow. That really sucks! Did you get a good replacement?
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why all the sudden explanations about the specs on the 52xbr7. It's been known for some time that this set would have the be2 engine, not pro, hence no drc.

When you read the cnet review, this set has definite positive differences especially involving motion handling...which he says is the only benefit of the 240hz --- duh, that's what it's for!

he says the tests show some marginal positive differences, and that content viewing shows differences that the normal viewer won't even see.

The fact that he doesn't then test the set in real world to see what that will do for us couch potato's when watching football, basketball and european soccer means that the review is not helpful. This particular set is meant to address that particular marketing segment this year (next year there will be more 240 hz models).

I'm still holding out that for sports content, the 240 hz will have a real world benefit, and am looking forward to a review that addresses this, as well as hopefully a retail outlet that has the set demonstrating that 240hz is in fact a real benefit....or not.



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by the way, amazon is showing the 52" with the BE2 EX engine, not "just" the BE2. I thought only the 40" 7 had the BE2 EX.

who knows, sonystyle still has it with just the BE2.

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by the way, amazon is showing the 52" with the BE2 EX engine, not "just" the BE2. I thought only the 40" 7 had the BE2 EX.

who knows, sonystyle still has it with just the BE2.

That would be killer! However and unfortunately the manuals downloadable at Sony's support site only show DRC Mode/Palette available to 40XBR7, 70XBR7, 46XBR8, and 55XBR8.
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That would be killer! However and unfortunately the manuals downloadable at Sony's support site only show DRC Mode/Palette available to 40XBR7, 70XBR7, 46XBR8, and 55XBR8.

I believe that the CNET review indicated that the 52xbr7 did not have DRC.
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BE EX - Available in the 40" model only.
BE 2 PRO - Available in the 70" model only.
BE 2 - 52" Available in the 52" model.
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BE EX - Available in the 40" model only.
BE 2 PRO - Available in the 70" model only.
BE 2 - 52" Available in the 52" model.

I believe the 40" is BE 2 EX -- above the standard BE 2 but below the BE 2 PRO.

Also, from my experience with the 40" XBR7, I've not noticed any issues with "auto-dimming" that seems to present in other Sony models.
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I believe the 40" is BE 2 EX -- above the standard BE 2 but below the BE 2 PRO.

Help me out here: What exactly does this mean to me? I am considering replacing my water damaged XBR3 with a 52XBR7, but I do not want to end up with fewer features than I had before. Am I still going to be able to adjust the picture settings and tweak in a custom mode like I could on my 52XBR3? I loved my XBR3 and was sorry to see it go, and this talk of the newer Bravia engines makes me wonder exactly what the changes mean for everyone.

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Help me out here: What exactly does this mean to me? I am considering replacing my water damaged XBR3 with a 52XBR7, but I do not want to end up with fewer features than I had before. Am I still going to be able to adjust the picture settings and tweak in a custom mode like I could on my 52XBR3? I loved my XBR3 and was sorry to see it go, and this talk of the newer Bravia engines makes me wonder exactly what the changes mean for everyone.

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Basically, the higher the Bravia Engine, the better video processing you get. This translates, for example, to better video up-conversion. You will be able to adjust picture settings with all models. Also, generally speaking, newer models should have all the capabilities plus more of older models, so you should be fine moving from the XBR3 to the XBR7.
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As I espoused in the 2009 Bravia thread, it has taken the 52" 7 so long to get to the local market that I am now considering just waiting for the XBR 9's sometime in the next 3 months as they will likely be similarly priced but ALSO provide the new BE 3 engine.

Sony reallty jacked this entire thing up. Flaming idiots, the lot.

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did some one see xbr8 side by side with 50xbr7
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did some one see xbr8 side by side with 50xbr7

Well, I did today! I thought 240HZ was a gimmick, the signal was barely better than XBR6. But Indeed XBR8 takes edge with better blacks and possibly contrasts, colors.

I saw a new 40 inch set, possibly ZS series, that was a real nice set, extra thin, no non sense style, speakers in the pedestal lol, and blacks were better than 40XBR7 right next to it. I am not sure whether, sony shrewd idiots will be releasing a 52 or 55 in that series. Go take a look 2 your self guys!
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As I espoused in the 2009 Bravia thread, it has taken the 52" 7 so long to get to the local market that I am now considering just waiting for the XBR 9's sometime in the next 3 months as they will likely be similarly priced but ALSO provide the new BE 3 engine.

Sony reallty jacked this entire thing up. Flaming idiots, the lot.

James

I will have to agree with you. My 27" XBR55 just died on me after 17 years of service. I was on the fence for either the 40" XBR7 or the 46" XBR6 as I already have a 50" XSRD. Just saw a pic of the XBR9 and it looks very nice. Does anyone know where the speakers are ?
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I have still have yet to see this television in a retail store. I live in Milwaukee WI, with a metro area of a million plus, so we're not exactly talking about Smalltown USA.

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Ive been planning on buying this tv but im very confused on this 1 thing.

When you go to Sonystyle.com and look at this tv, in the specs it says "Game Text Mode: Yes" but when you go to the XBR6's it just says "Game Mode: Yes." I even called a sony style store and flat out asked them if this tv has a game mode and they said no. Now is this true? If so why would a more expensive TV be left without a fairly imporant part (for me since i like to play games) when a less expensive tv has one.

And also, what is "Game Text Mode" and how does it differ from "game mode" sony hasnt been able to help me. Some of the people at the sony style store didnt even know what a response time was so they couldnt help me with this obviously.

Thanks alot.
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And also, what is "Game Text Mode" and how does it differ from "game mode" sony hasnt been able to help me. Some of the people at the sony style store didnt even know what a response time was so they couldnt help me with this obviously.

Thanks alot.

inter....it's Game/Text mode. go to sony support and download the user operating instructiions manual; put "game" in the pdf search (binoculars) and you will get all the info that i think you want....

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/mod...DL40XBR7&LOC=3

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